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Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

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Remember people, however divided on anywhich fence side we are, regardless of our views and feelings, as long as our only intent and wish is the common good, in a bizarre way, we are all in this together.

In that sense, ironically, we’ve never been more united.
 
@chinup

I changed my mind about COVID passports. ScoMo is talking about introducing new rules for vaccinated people when we reach 70%. It's selfish of me, but fuck it: I don't give a shit if unvaccinated people can't go to the footy. You were right. We can't keep locking down forever.

This thread has been taken over by anti-vaxxers now. Fortunately, in the real world, they represent a very small percentage of the population. The vast majority of people in Australia want to be vaccinated.

After having discussions on this thread (and elsewhere, IRL) I don't believe anti-vaxxers have any sensible arguments.

@AutoTripper

You need to double, triple, quadruple check what you're reading. The stuff you are posting ATM is frankly dangerous. This is a serious issue. People are dying. If you're going to post stuff about it, please (pretty please?) do some research.

In the past week alone you've falsely said that everybody hospitalized from the NSW outbreak were vaccinated and that vaccinated people have a thousand times the viral load of unvaccinated people.

Please take this seriously, okay?

You are better than this.
 
6am-64-14m said:
to be fair, they should pay out retro-incentives.

Yeah, good point mate. It pisses me off that I don't get any reward for being vaccinated because I didn't hesitate. Apparently I should have waited?

I want some fucking money!
But, I'll happily settle for crack.
 
@chinup

I changed my mind about COVID passports. ScoMo is talking about introducing new rules for vaccinated people when we reach 70%. It's selfish of me, but fuck it: I don't give a shit if unvaccinated people can't go to the footy. You were right. We can't keep locking down forever.
its not selfish of you! putting the consequences of people's actions on them instead of allowing them to put others at risk is just asking people to be an adult about their decision making.

now all the data is showing the vaccines really do work its clear they are a feasible alternative to endless lockdown (cos yeah, its really not an option)- you probably haven't followed the UK data, we had huge case numbers but deaths and hospitalisations did not track in the same way as previously, because vaccinated people were not getting so ill.

its a no brainer at this point.
This thread has been taken over by anti-vaxxers now. Fortunately, in the real world, they represent a very small percentage of the population. The vast majority of people in Australia want to be vaccinated.

After having discussions on this thread (and elsewhere, IRL) I don't believe anti-vaxxers have any sensible arguments.
they really don't. its sad. but yeah, luckily its a small minortiy.

what bothers me is that they must know they are arguing in bad faith. posting from completely incredible sources, claiming their sources state the opposite of what they actually do, ignoring every fucking datapoint and committing every logical fallacy going. asking the same questions and getting the same answers but still not updating their beliefs. i do find it fascinating as a phenomenon but have lost patience tbh.

there are new things unfolding with covid that would be interesting to discuss, novel insights into long covid for example, and its interesting hearing about the different situations around the world cos i wouldn't have a clue were it not for this forum. so i hope the antivaxxers get as bored with their shit as i am soon so we can have an interesting thread again.
 
The search for confirmation bias is unrelenting, even with some very bright people I know irl and easily observable here too. An almost wilful misreading of actually very clear communications to suit a narrative.
 
Something that fails to convince of a fair go here is the blatant propaganda.

Until people study population plateaus, they still fail to realize.

This isn't somethin we blindly accept.

Maybe everything is okay.

...

You can believe one side or the other, but neither of them knows shit.

There is joint balancing in my mouth. I think it's been there for most of the da. I need to smoke it and say goodnight.
 
@chinup

I changed my mind about COVID passports. ScoMo is talking about introducing new rules for vaccinated people when we reach 70%. It's selfish of me, but fuck it: I don't give a shit if unvaccinated people can't go to the footy. You were right. We can't keep locking down forever.

This thread has been taken over by anti-vaxxers now. Fortunately, in the real world, they represent a very small percentage of the population. The vast majority of people in Australia want to be vaccinated.

After having discussions on this thread (and elsewhere, IRL) I don't believe anti-vaxxers have any sensible arguments.

@AutoTripper

You need to double, triple, quadruple check what you're reading. The stuff you are posting ATM is frankly dangerous. This is a serious issue. People are dying. If you're going to post stuff about it, please (pretty please?) do some research.

In the past week alone you've falsely said that everybody hospitalized from the NSW outbreak were vaccinated and that vaccinated people have a thousand times the viral load of unvaccinated people.

Please take this seriously, okay?

You are better than this.
I won’t appeal charge one.

But again, count two. That’s not accurate or fair? Fauci said that, not me. I simply shared it. I didn’t make it up.

If I got it wrong and Fauci didn’t say that, I’m open to enlightenment on where I mistook his exact words and meaning. In reference to breakthrough cases with the Delta variant.

I never twisted his words or meaning one bit. I just tried to examine its implications, which I still argue I did logically. So how you paraphrased my words there is actually inaccurate, I never said exactly that, blanketly (was time for a new word lol).

I’ve quoted his words several times. He said it. I can’t defend myself over that, because I’m not the source or the perpetrator of the information.

It was the official line laid down to warrant the necessity for the vaccinated to continue wearing masks.

I don’t see what I missed or inaccurately reported on that still?

With respect, I say this. I’m confused as to why this exact particular point and reference is disputed, denied, or bundled with the big pile of propa… I’ve already spilled into here.
 
Noodle said:
That's nonsense

It could well be. I have etizalom, weed, dexies and copious amounts of alcohol in my system.

...

Someting I find interesting about the anti-vaxxer adovactes is they are blatantly disintrested in "mainstream" media in favour of far more discretidible publications.

Krinkles recnetly sid that he was anti everyting, pretty much.

Her'es the quote:
@AutoTripper

You need to look at the source material. That doesn't mean the quote. I'm talking about (after numerous people that you respect questioning the details you data) your argument faced more scrutiny.
 
It could well be. I have etizalom, weed, dexies and copious amounts of alcohol in my system.
Being high doesn’t necessarily, automatically, exclusively preclude the exercising of sense and reason and having an accurate sight of a particular thing, of course it can and often will though.
You need to look at the source material. That doesn't mean the quote. I'm talking about (after numerous people that you respect questioning the details you data) your argument faced more scrutiny.
I admit, I would have liked to see the full statement, I’m not sure where I’d find it.

I can ofc respect what you are saying, and I also appreciate your respectful, polite and sensitive way of communing, when I know how much personal stress you are under on so many levels.

I just felt that source/IG page regardless, was little relevance with that one. It’s an unedited recorded announcement. I still argue the implications and potential or inevitable ramifications are worthy of consideration and monitoring.

Now separately, I’m perfectly down with not being allowed into a shitty, fake entertainment football match lol, as if charade could have a place in my future.

Nightclubs, it would be a miracle if I would ever have set foot in one again.

Once Royal Mail won’t deliver here, and we are banned from entering the supermarket, well it’s simple, I’m ready. I’ll go my own way, it won’t be standing round a log fire cooking rabbits and boiling stream water with a small crowd on the outskirts of town.

Soon, I will test clear for Covid first time since September. Then, I hope to get the time and opportunity to make real time observation, and keep track, or how long and if even, post Long Covid Immunity lasts.

I’m really hoping to see that I can pass a year, without a new contraction.

The Coxsackies, no matter what, come in maybe 5-7 times annually. There is no such thing as immunity acquisition to those type of viruses.
 
Someting I find interesting about the anti-vaxxer adovactes is they are blatantly disintrested in "mainstream" media in favour of far more discretidible publications.

Krinkles recnetly sid that he was anti everyting, pretty much.


Krinkles this Krinkles that blah blah blah

and now ive assembled an army of anti-vaxxers to hijack the thread too right?

ya know what? ive been attacked left and right in this thread for my stance of just wanting to hear BOTH sides of the argument, and then a little momentum swings towards the negative side of the current vaccines, and you're complaining now that we've "taken over" lol


let's face it - you don't wanna hear the other side of it....

the pro-vaxx side might be the worst side of it because of the power to suppress.....which if you ask me, is more dangerous....i think what they should be doing, is loudly debunking anything that's just not true - like stupid shit with the magnets and nanobot hyper-theory tweeker stories

there's a ton vaccine injuries occurring and to me, that's the most important part of this - i wanna hear about all of the injuries because that's something we all need to be aware of and that's being suppressed....and i dont think that's ok - so yea i am a little irritated with the mainstream for suppressing that type of info as you should be too...safety is of the utmost importance here

but whatever

nobody cares

except for me and a few million others

:cool:
 
suppressed info is fucked up, counterproductive, disingenuous, highly suspicious

the us/them narrative which people fall into sooo fkin readily is the most damaging thing though, imho (alongside the cognitive dissonance, frantic confirmation bias, and so on)

love to all
 
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What is this inner turmoil really about? Here and abroad?
What is the root of all this dissension, resistance and conflict?
I am still at ground 0 on this and been looking for it since birth.
Is it just money, power and bitches? Can it be that shallow? lol
 
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