Covid-19 Outbreak of new SARS-like coronavirus (Covid-19)

[prince_igor]

your smart as brother I know.

you should be playing with glass you look at what you say.

still I see no impact to your statements.

we can not distrust science if we use it and all of us here use it through and through.

come on I just got a DMT boils at 150 C

I understand chemistry and science was not every users forte but mate you know its mine

as I know your able to understand it as well.

we must think of the world as one.

its numbers and you and I are nothing compared to billions.

I survived the vaccine and I am very please for this.

I may not have but I did it anyway.

I know the risk.

ALL OF THEM.

I still did it.

one more that is immune to this is one more that does not get my father at over 70 sick or my mother

who works in aged care sick so she passes it on to 30 people.

we have been conscripted

now stand the fuck up.

 

[prince_igor]

when this is finished we can maybe discuss how we fix our real problem.

persecutions of PWUDS.

I am on your side.

 

[prince_igor]

I would also like to say I am so please that admin is rainbow.

they copped it so hard and trust me they will push for what we want as we did for them.

its only time.

 

[AutoTripper]

I do think this is worth a watch. These are real clips and statements from both Biden and Harris about the vaccine, in relation to Trump’s warp speed proposals, and specifically rushed experimental vaccines per se and how it would be nutty basically to take such an unknown risk.

It jumps to where they stand now.

𝙳𝚛. 𝚂𝚞𝚗𝚎𝚒𝚕 𝙹𝚊𝚒𝚗 🅽🅼🅳 on Instagram: "The poke went from scary, rushed and dangerous to safe and effective after the election."

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[prince_igor]

impact rating ?

 

[AutoTripper]

impact rating ?

It’s plainly hypocritical basically.

What exactly is different and more considerably advanced, proved safe about the vaccines rolling out now, the warpspeed was prevented from roll until Biden was in seat (?) then it was all go.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

it's not selfish at all

i think to have the nerve to sit there and call people selfish, when you're acting like these shots are the equivalent to the effectiveness of previous vaccines while that's just simply not the case

you had to throw ppl a bone, otherwise they would've mostly said "well whats the point of the shots if i still have to mask up, social distance, and nothing changes?" So they rush to end the mask mandates, proclaim we're back to normal, before anything had even been close to ending....when in all reality, once we decided to go mostly back to normal, naturally, cases are gonna go up

the news media has an obsession with daily case numbers, while at the same time, the CDC is now recommending that testing be stopped because of how flawed the most prominent test is.... it can't even tell the difference between covid and the flu and its wrong 33% of the time....and then everybody wonders how come the US's numbers are so high

anyway....pffffizer has another shot for all you spooked by the cnn variant

 

[Mr Nancy]

I just flicked to channel 5 Jeremy Vine, the on screen topic is “Selfish not to take the vaccine.”

It’s gone off screen now, but I don’t think there was a question mark!

Which is relevant. My subconscious is so used to how these things are usually presented, I would always expect a ? mark there normally.

Anyway, I missed one caller, who it sounded was a right conspiracy head stirring a reaction in the studio.

But the next lady was on phone. Josie. She pleaded passionately for the vaccine, how amazing it is that we have it, how heads would be raging if we didn’t.

How she’s always been very vigilant and even more so because she’s a voluntary carer for somebody.

And she’s a very down to earth person.

She strongly rejected the “nonsense” that it’s not selfish.

She was initially introduced to Jeremy Vine the show host, as somebody with Covid at the moment.

She was arguing very strongly in favour of the vaccines, and speaking of their merit.

And, she announced that she has had both of her vaccines, the second one in May. She continued to singe about having to self isolate currently.

Even Jeremy Vine, started to raise his eyebrows as one of the panel had clearly I was able to ascertain by the studio reactions and commentary, had been presenting the case regarding the number of people phoning in in the same situation.

It just struck me, you may just say she was an actor. It was her actual angle nobody could quite understand.

She was saying how horrible Covid is, how she never thought it would get her, and how selfish it is people not taking the vaccine.

So if we can at least accept, this does happen, then perhaps we are deferred back to the existing argument for those few people the vaccine is ineffective.

Quite a few people. Not excluding me, for all anybody can say, again.

Nobody, no doctor, Pfizer executive, can assure me for certain that the vaccine will protect me and therefore others from infection, nor myself from any level of adverse event, whatever the alleged odds, right through to death.

Those are my very valid logical reasons to argue it’s not selfish, from my point of view, based on this reality, to say no.

I just watched this on live TV. I’ve seen, it heard it repeatedly. They had clearly already been discussing this, and had not been able to dismiss it, giving it due consideration it seemed apparent.

stop watching tv and for fucks sake don't listen to social media.

read journals and really make your own mind up.

when you come back with references that have a reasonable impact rating I shall bow my head in

shame.

not social sciences they are cheating as they reference each other like dogs sniff buts.

social is not science is psuedo (not the good pse type)

stop "beeing" a dupe and find the truth your self I have had enough of the rubbish people say

with out even knowing what impact rating means.

when you can out reference me with impact and the math sings true I shall take back that

if you use illegal drugs and do not get a vacine your a fuckwit with no brains or maybe a 4th gen meth addict.

we do have to forgive some you know

IMPACT RATING GOT IT.

GOOD

now shall we really play or am I going to get silence again.

impact rating mate.

"we" can not lie

as we are tested and then published

of course you can give a pseudo answer but give me something real please.

not some pathetic we live out side of tv electronics chemistry science knowledge.

really you don't get a vax big deal but I am telling the truth and any that wishes to follow

my path will look and really look.

so many ask how to do shit from me.

so I am telling you how.

give me journal articles with impact and then do the math and lets talk.

now back it up.

Having lurked and followed the discussion, and AutoTripper doesn’t seem to be an antivaxxer, he merely discusses his thoughts on the matter.

In the post of his quotes at the top, he is just saying a woman claimed to be disappointed after catching covid-19 after being fully vaccinated using the Pfizer vaccine.

You seem to attack him for providing no peer reviewed evidence to back this up.

Have you forgotten that you posted this evidence yourself in this thread? A great YouTube video by Dr Campbell regarding this phenomenon in Israel and England, where he provides and explains relevant scientific papers on the subject. It showed that Pfizer immunity (from two shots) against contracting drops to a mere 16% after 6months has passed. I’m grateful that you introduced me to his YouTube channel, it has a wealth of information, well explained.

This shows the concerns AutoTripper saw reported on TV are very realistic. It is true that nobody is assured long term protection against infection by covid from two shots of the Pfizer vaccine given 3 weeks apart.

Fortunately protection against serious illness, hospitalization and death from the Pfizer vaccine are longer lived.

You seem to have a lot of very valuable knowledge and experience to share here, but sometimes (as above) it seems as if you don’t take the time to read what a user is saying before jumping in with a very heavy handed and perhaps unjustified reply.

I post this not as a personal attack or anything of the like & hope it is taken in the spirit with which it is intended.

Mr Nancy

 

[telepathetic]

honestly the way the media is guilt tripping people into getting the vaccine has even stopped a pro-science guy like myself from getting it so far. might soon.

 

[AutoTripper]

No guilt in a free burger and fries though. If that’s the best your state can come up with.

I saw how Greece youngsters were to be offered a €150 prepaid cash card.

It’s quite amazing the wide array of incentives I have seen.

The one which scares me though, at the hands of Biden, is the one to not be removed from your household by force and shoved into a detention camp.

Because that is really where this seems to be heading.

Do we really think they are going to leave us, unfit for the shops and the public maul, electricity, water you name it, to just tough it out any old way?

I doubt it myself, once we have got that far, state control will be so irreversibly advanced they will be able to take any next extra step they wish.

I just see it going rapidly this way. The way Biden is stigmatising, blaming outright, creating fear of, the unvaccinated, is very very reminiscent of this type of thing before about 81 years ago.

 

[PtahTek]

The way Biden is stigmatising, blaming outright, creating fear of, the unvaccinated, is very very reminiscent of this type of thing before about 81 years ago.

Who is to fear the un-vaccinated? Others that are unvaxxed?
Seems to me they begging the vaxxed to help protect the unvaxxed...?
I am not pro-biden ant-biden or anyone else (cept trump - anti) cause they all do in fact have their own agenda and are corrupt at birth. But everything I have seen on any news are people asking the vaxxed to mask up. They aint even asking the unvaxxed to mask up anymore. Haha
What am I missing?

 

[AutoTripper]

Who is to fear the un-vaccinated? Others that are unvaxxed?
Seems to me they begging the vaxxed to help protect the unvaxxed...?
I am not pro-biden ant-biden or anyone else (cept trump - anti) cause they all do in fact have their own agenda and are corrupt at birth. But everything I have seen on any news are people asking the vaxxed to mask up. They aint even asking the unvaxxed to mask up anymore. Haha
What am I missing?

We, as in those who are unprepared to take a jab, have been painted as the danger recently by Biden in quite a spearheaded manner.

It isn’t or doesn’t appear to be directed towards the still unjabbed, but willing crowd.

But the whole of humanity. Including the jabbed.

It doesn’t make sense. It was never in the script or narrative from the beginning. The idea that most people will receive their jabs, by choice or not have one if they are risk takers (or not, depending on angle), and then we need to really persecute and scapegoat those who say no as irresponsible, a serious threat to society.

I don’t like nor can go along with this.

I still have Covid. I’m hoping to observe a lasting natural immunity. I’m looking forward to hopefully finding out, if I’m doing well in one year hooray, I’ll take it.

But no matter how I felt, I’d be concened about taking the jab with active Long Covid, and if I’m not transmitting after 6 to 9+ months, as there has been none detected in any area of my respiratory system since November, and no signs of new incoming respiratory Covid, then at this precise moment, as it stands, I don’t see how I am really that much more of a danger than double jabbed people who clearly can still catch and transmit.

Which it doesn’t appear I am doing currently and can hopefully expect to be naturally immune.

So in this light, again I reject the idea that I have been conscribed to duty for my country and am morally wrong to make my own personal choices, based on my own body, extreme proneness to immune overreaction and complications, with Covid, possibly no need for a risky medical intervention other than to please others, in the grand ongoing practical scheme of things.

But it certainly seems to be that fear has been driven into the minds of people already administered (I don’t like saying jabbed, but vaccinated is incorrect here by definition, so I’m uncomfortable with that also), the threat of the non compliers.

 

[PtahTek]

persecute and scapegoat those who say no as irresponsible, a serious threat to society.

I see what you are getting at. This I did not process but now that it has been added I will look for it. We see what we wanna see and I will be the first to admit I do this. I reserve the right to adjust the lens as items are added or taken. lol
If this be the case, AT, then yeah... that is bullshit cause we all know by now the unvaxxed poses no real threat to the vaxxed. Makes no sense.
Fuck that noise/static, too, then.
Fuck the police! Sorry just tryin to lighten the mood a little.

Lemme see wtf is goin on today in political arenas.......

 

[alasdairm]

We, as in those who are unprepared to take a jab, have been painted as the danger recently by Biden in quite a spearheaded manner.

could you post a couple of examples of biden, or his administration, doing that.

thanks.

alasdair

 

[AutoTripper]

could you post a couple of examples of biden, or his administration, doing that.

thanks.

alasdair

I watched a video clip the other day. You’ll call me out but I don’t post a fraction of the snippets and video clips of conferences, interviews I see on all sorts of platforms, unless it’s YouTube with an easy viewing history, I don’t keep record of where I saw it.

I just found a shorter clip of one of his speeches. I don’t know where I watched more and the fuller version as it’s not in my YouTube history, if it was on another platform it’s practically untraceable if I didn’t copy a link.

I heard a lot more rhetoric from his mouth along this line, stirring stigma and fear I just don’t know where.

The rhetoric of “what we have now is a pandemic of the unvaccinated”, is itself, stigmatising and a concerning line to me.

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[ageingpartyfiend]

I watched a video clip the other day. You’ll call me out

Of course you will get called out when you constantly post things as fact that is not fact, it's simple man,. and has been clearly explained to you over and over again

That ridiculous quote you posted yesterday that was clear propaganda which you fully believed (the "everyone in hospital is vaccinated" one) for instance. It might as well have said "night is day" and yet you clearly state that it's not propaganda. You seem to have at least a modicum of intellect so I am bamboozled as to how you can fall for that, truly.

You make decent points occasionally but it gets completely lost in all the nonsense, shame.

 

[AutoTripper]

Of course you will get called out when you constantly post things as fact that is not fact, it's simple man,. and has been clearly explained to you over and over again

That ridiculous quote you posted yesterday that was clear propaganda which you fully believed (the "everyone in hospital is vaccinated" one) for instance. It might as well have said "night is day" and yet you clearly state that it's not propaganda. You seem to have at least a modicum of intellect so I am bamboozled as to how you can fall for that, truly.

You make decent points occasionally but it gets completely lost in all the nonsense, shame.

Outside of the whole totally unanticipated political jargon and head clashing we have all been thrown into, especially on this topic, I think I make reasonable points most of the time, to be fair.

I actually appreciate the mini compliment lol. Lots to work on I guess. Plus, you will always be remembered for your mistakes and weaker moments, has long been a noted characteristic regarding reputation and overall credibility.

I never joined BL for all this bit what else matters very much now? Harm reduction advice is very important ofc, but THIS affects everyone on the planet.

Okay, I’ll admit, I’m too easy to trust any old source that contradicts the real propaganda, which in my own long long standing, and again I declare not drug use related view, is the BBC and CNN and so on.

We are in a period of time where like never before, we don’t know exactly what to believe and dismiss.

Biden is in my view driving stigma regarding the refusers. I did see a lot more, I didn’t post it like most most things I come across.

And like I said, your debunking my propaganda, with your own MSM propaganda.

We are in an age of censorship like never before.

Now, again I don’t know where I saw, or read this, but Biden is calling on Social Media companies to go the extra mile on top, and ban every single account saying anything at all anti-vax.

Plus, he wanted cell phone texts to be monitored to see who is spreading dangerous misinformation that way.

Despite Pelosi admitting it was basically a violation of the constitution.

He’s turning into quite the extremist potentially.

 

[Mr. Krinkle]

Now they're admitting that "vaccinated" individuals can pass it on if they catch it instead of blaming it on the "unvaccinated" disobedient rednecks

 

[birdup.snaildown]

I don't remember anyone ever saying vaccinated individuals can't pass it on. That was never the intention during the development phase of the vaccines and, generally, it's not how these type of vaccines work.

Having said that, although vaccinated people can pass it on, they are less likely to do so and will pass on a low viral load. It's better to get the virus from someone who's vaccinated than someone who isn't.

 

[birdup.snaildown]

@Mr. Krinkle

What's this about the CDC telling people not to get tested and 33% of tests being wrong?