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Social Justice White/Straight/Cis/Male Privilege

dalpat077 said:
Sneaky. Thought it’d lead to something far more interesting and entertaining. But sneaky and clever too. Well done to you.

Facts are facts are facts. It is what it is. Still will not agree with the privilege part though. Sorry. If anything I would have to say that, in my case, as things stand now, and where I live, I would have to create my own privilege.

Clever thought process you have though in order to try drive home a point.
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As I said earlier in the thread, these things apply differently throughout the world and also throughout time. But it's pretty clear, as a whole, there is one specific demographic that has the lowest odds of persecution. As demonstrated by all of your answers.

I didn't hear any of you wanting to risk being a black woman in nineteenth century Mississippi. No one wanted to roll the dice and be a homosexual Jew in Iran.

I don't get the defensiveness. It doesn't lessen yourself as a person to admit these things.
 
mal3volent said:
As I said earlier in the thread, these things apply differently throughout the world and also throughout time. But it's pretty clear, as a whole, there is one specific demographic that has the lowest odds of persecution. As demonstrated by all of your answers.

I didn't hear any of you wanting to risk being a black woman in nineteenth century Mississippi. No one wanted to roll the dice and be a homosexual Jew in Iran.

I don't get the defensiveness. It doesn't lessen yourself as a person to admit these things.
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I think your well-proven point and thought experiment made further argumentation pointless. Yet this being CEPS logic, facts, and reason didn’t hold up as well as they would in a sane place.
 
thujone said:
What's supposed to be the point of using the term at all?
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To remind everyone that the playing field is not always level. That some have to live their lives jumping over hurdles that others get to walk by.
 
mal3volent said:
Did you guys pick up on the point behind my question?

If you answer honestly, you're going to pick straight white male.

That is privilege. 🙂
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You are assuming incorrectly, am picking a Japanese female either in the 90s or in ancient Japan- not around times of any nuclear wars, other wars or tsunamis.
 
The playing field is never level. Even in monoethnic societies the children of wealthy people are far more privileged than the children of poor people.

If we're going down this road then maybe we should talk about black privilege, too. If working at Google is white privilege because the company is >80% white, then it follows logically that the NBA is an example of black privilege because it's >80% black.

I'd love to get paid what an NBA player gets paid but how petty would it look if I started demanding equal representation for whites in the NBA?

How privileged are whites really, when we're the only skin colour left that it's OK to discriminate against and stereotype?
 
thujone said:
The playing field is never level. Even in monoethnic societies the children of wealthy people are far more privileged than the children of poor people.

If we're going down this road then maybe we should talk about black privilege, too. If working at Google is white privilege because the company is >80% white, then it follows logically that the NBA is an example of black privilege because it's >80% black.

I'd love to get paid what an NBA player gets paid but how petty would it look if I started demanding equal representation for whites in the NBA?

How privileged are whites really, when we're the only skin colour left that it's OK to discriminate against and stereotype?
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Let me assure you, professional sports leagues pay based on who is most talented. Not skin color. That is a whole different story.

You keep bringing up poor people. No ones disagreeing with you. Rich people are privileged. Do you understand the concept that many things can be true at the same time without contradicting each other?

The only reason it's "okay" to stereotype white people (I don't think there's been a decree that it is in fact ok, but let's say it is), is because they have not been subjected historically to any kind of major oppression or atrocities based on their skin color.

Would it make you feel better if i added "rich" to the thread title?
 
mal3volent said:
The only reason it's "okay" to stereotype white people (I don't think there's been a decree that it is in fact ok, but let's say it is), is because they have not been subjected historically to any kind of major oppression or atrocities based on their skin color.
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white people were traded as slaves in the mediterranean region until the 19th century. am I entitled to reparations from Algeria because people who might have been my ancestors were slaves there once?

society can't run on vagueries but that's what this notion of "white privilege" is. it's fundamentally the suggestion that all white people owe something to all non-white people. this is why it always leads back to justifications for discrimination against whites. trying in vain to fix discrimination by creating new discrimination is just a zero-sum game.

either we have a free and equal society where self-determination is respected and nobody owes anyone anything, or we don't.
 
I still want to be a Japanese female, good looking and just as fluent in the local language, employed and have a nest egg like I do now, anywhere in the world.

I'd need to be dressed as per local custom and aware of social customs, not just expect the many already there to accommodate anything I do that would be rude or obnoxious or death sentence.


What location and time are you teleporting me to?
 
✿Dai₷y✿ said:
I still want to be a Japanese female, good looking and just as fluent in the local language, employed and have a nest egg like I do now, anywhere in the world.

I'd need to be dressed as per local custom and aware of social customs, not just expect the many already there to accommodate anything I do that would be rude or obnoxious or death sentence.


What location and time are you teleporting me to?
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San Francisco, 1942.
 
mal3volent said:
As I said earlier in the thread, these things apply differently throughout the world and also throughout time. But it's pretty clear, as a whole, there is one specific demographic that has the lowest odds of persecution. As demonstrated by all of your answers.

I didn't hear any of you wanting to risk being a black woman in nineteenth century Mississippi. No one wanted to roll the dice and be a homosexual Jew in Iran.

I don't get the defensiveness. It doesn't lessen yourself as a person to admit these things.
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On my word of honour: I wasn’t being defensive (or wasn’t meaning to be anyway).

Matter of fact it (your question) was a good question, a good way to make a point, and I get it now (the point you are making).

To be frank though: personal current circumstances aside it's a big ask for me to even imagine being something different. I really mean that. Matter of fact: I was going to post on that other transgender thread, and not to be facetious or nasty, to explain things nicely (I actually did start a post but then deleted it because on that particular day something came up and no way I'd have been able to complete the promised post). But in short anyway: not everything that somebody like me posts is necessarily learned behavior or attitude or bias (although I'm sure it comes across that way). Anyway. I'll see about trying to explain nice i.e. in the hope we can learn from each other or at least become more tolerant and understanding.
 
For the record though: I still don't agree with the "privilege" part i.e. wasn't a factor in my answers to the original question.
 
I find it interesting what privilege people choose to leave out to suit their narrative

What about able bodied privilege, modernized country privilege, mental health privilege, socioeconomic and financial privilege, age privileges... etc

If you are a black lesbian woman... who lives in the usa, young, with no mental or physical illness, in a decent neighborhood, damn right you still got a fuckload of privilege. Dont talk to me about mine while ignoring yours.

But no, it's always gender, sexuality, race. Apparently those are the only attributes that matter to a lot of people. I find that money trumps all. You think the rich white guys running the world would rather let a poor straight white guy in their club, than a multi billionaire asian woman, for example? Hell no.
 
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