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Hitler was genocidal and evil. Yahweh’s genocides are good; say Christians, Muslims & Jews! -- ?

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Hitler was genocidal and evil. Yahweh’s genocides are good; say Christians, Muslims & Jews! -- ?

I must be reading the religionist nice guys wrong. Religions are supposed to be religions of peace. Not of war. Genocide is a war god’s tool.

I do not want to believe that my parents who ere Christians, would condone such crimes against humanity going on today.

I am sure you feel the same way for your parents.

Do as your religion bid you do. Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Please show your love and correct me by proving me wrong and admit you hate all genocidal characters.

I must be wrong.

Regards
DL
 
They're gods punishment. Not anything good, but they're punishments.
God doesn't give fuck what you think are you bad or good.
 
They're gods punishment. Not anything good, but they're punishments.
God doesn't give fuck what you think are you bad or good.

You know how god thinks. Interesting.

Who gave god a right to punish while not facing the accused?

Sounds like a god who is blaming man for creating our own natures, when scriptures say he did thast himself.

Incompetence, and not stepping up like he should. Right?

Yahweh is a moral coward.

Regards
DL
 
You know how god thinks. Interesting.

Who gave god a right to punish while not facing the accused?

Sounds like a god who is blaming man for creating our own natures, when scriptures say he did thast himself.'

Incompetence, and not stepping up like he should. Right?

Yahweh is a moral coward.

Regards
DL
I'm using christian theology and I speak about god.
Don't mix up your own opinions with the theology when you're talking here.
You know what the apple was in the paradise? It was the free will.
They ate it and they were thrown here as a punishment.
God gave people the opportunity to be virtuous and follow his word.
There needs to be possibility for evil, since you can't be virtuous if you don't have the possibility for evil.
God has all the authority to punish us. He created us.
And now listen, I'm not even christian. I just use theology as the basis for this argument, since you wanted to talk about theology.
 
I'm using christian theology and I speak about god.
Don't mix up your own opinions with the theology when you're talking here.
You know what the apple was in the paradise? It was the free will.
They ate it and they were thrown here as a punishment.
God gave people the opportunity to be virtuous and follow his word.
There needs to be possibility for evil, since you can't be virtuous if you don't have the possibility for evil.
God has all the authority to punish us. He created us.
And now listen, I'm not even christian. I just use theology as the basis for this argument, since you wanted to talk about theology.

Christian theology sings in their Exsultet hymn that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to god's plan.

Why would god punish us for using his gift and keeping his plan on the rails?

Those are all benefits to god and he would not punish us for doing the right thing.

Keep the full theology in mind.

On free will.

They followed their god given natures so the term of free will may not apply.

I have this TLDR piece on this.

Adam and Eve were correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This indicates that Jesus had no choice.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

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Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.

First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.

As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.

Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

Regards
DL

Evolutionary theology.

 
God gave people the opportunity to be virtuous and follow his word.

You set a low bar for virtue if you value the words of a genocidal prick of a god.

That is a fascist trend. All should stop it.

Gnostics have tied virtue and righteousness to universality in god. A genocidal god who kills when he can just as easily cure is not virtuous or righteous.

Regards
DL
 
You set a low bar for virtue if you value the words of a genocidal prick of a god.

That is a fascist trend. All should stop it.

Gnostics have tied virtue and righteousness to universality in god. A genocidal god who kills when he can just as easily cure is not virtuous or righteous.

Regards
DL
What the fuck man?
Let me tell you what virtue is. If you're weak and don't cause harm, then you're just weak. But if you're strong and can cause damage, but decide not to - you're virtuous.
Lots of stuff bible tells you are virtues. Like forgiving, or maybe not killing.
You are christian or what? You clearly aren't christian but you just said earlier you are gnostic christian.
 
What the fuck man?
Let me tell you what virtue is. If you're weak and don't cause harm, then you're just weak. But if you're strong and can cause damage, but decide not to - you're virtuous.
Lots of stuff bible tells you are virtues. Like forgiving, or maybe not killing.
You are christian or what? You clearly aren't christian but you just said earlier you are gnostic christian.

Correct. We are the good Christians and do not honor a genocidal moral monster of a god.

We are more of the Chrestian branch, before Christianity made a good man ideology into a vile good god ideology.

They ruined Jesus and corrupted the rest of Christianity.

Why do you think it took the inquisitors to shove that garbage down peoples throat?

Along with their swords.

You are correct in that the bible teaches that forgiving, or maybe not killing, is virtuous and proves that Yahweh is anything but that.

Regards
DL
 
Talking back to the potter who made the clay, if you burn that’s all you’ll know in eternity.

God can sweep us all in hell and just might do that.
He said the day you eat of it, not if you eat it, God is Sovereign in everything. If you’re a slave to sin you have no free will. The only time is being born of the Spirit. I’m not debating since I’ve seen enough to more then convince me He is Real and His Word is all we need.
 
Depending on who you ask Hitler wasn't evil. Don't get caught up on what other people think about God and religion. Religion is about finding your own path in life. The 10 rules of Christianity are supposed to be guidelines for how you live your own life. I don't think anyone can find fault in the 10 commandments. If you follow those you'll have less problems in life than if you do those things all of the time.

It's true a lot of wars were fought in the name of this or that God. People get riled up over that kind of thing like they do with any ideology. Just focus on yourself and how you live your own life. If you do good things good things happen.
 
Hitler was too smart for this primitive world. RIP, love.


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Depending on who you ask Hitler wasn't evil. Don't get caught up on what other people think about God and religion. Religion is about finding your own path in life. The 10 rules of Christianity are supposed to be guidelines for how you live your own life. I don't think anyone can find fault in the 10 commandments. If you follow those you'll have less problems in life than if you do those things all of the time.

It's true a lot of wars were fought in the name of this or that God. People get riled up over that kind of thing like they do with any ideology. Just focus on yourself and how you live your own life. If you do good things good things happen.

Start an O.P. on the 10 Commandments, and I will show you just how vile they are.

There are three different sets in scriptures. Use whichever one you think is authoritive.

Link me up in case I miss it.

Regards
DL
 
Talking back to the potter who made the clay, if you burn that’s all you’ll know in eternity.

God can sweep us all in hell and just might do that.
He said the day you eat of it, not if you eat it, God is Sovereign in everything. If you’re a slave to sin you have no free will. The only time is being born of the Spirit. I’m not debating since I’ve seen enough to more then convince me He is Real and His Word is all we need.

Shove your genocidal, yet so good god.

You have obviously never looked at his morals. They are satanic and you don't care.

You might wonder why.

Regards
DL
 
yo malcom X listen, STALIN was the kraken not Hitler but that never sees the daylight bcz reasons. Now stop quoting me and shit bcz I don't talk to ppl like you.
 
Start an O.P. on the 10 Commandments, and I will show you just how vile they are.

I don't see much point in that. If you take issue with 1-4 because you don't believe in God that's fine. No one can argue against 5-10 because they boil down to.

1. Take care of your parents
2. Killing in self defense is justified but murdering someone is not
3. Don't cheat on your wife/husband
4. Don't steal from anyone
5. Don't bear false witness against anyone in your family/community
6. Don't be jealous of what others in the community have or own.

If you go through life doing those 6 things you'll have far less problems than someone that does them.
 
I don't see much point in that. If you take issue with 1-4 because you don't believe in God that's fine. No one can argue against 5-10 because they boil down to.

1. Take care of your parents
2. Killing in self defense is justified but murdering someone is not
3. Don't cheat on your wife/husband
4. Don't steal from anyone
5. Don't bear false witness against anyone in your family/community
6. Don't be jealous of what others in the community have or own.

If you go through life doing those 6 things you'll have far less problems than someone that does them.

So you have to ignore the first 4, commandments, then give moral tenets that were already in place way before Christianity went stupid and started to read the myth of the genocidal prick of a god literally.

Read the Book of the Dead, or any ideology or theology prior to the genocidal god lovers one and you will see the same writings.

Those did not posit that a genocidal prick was a good god. A completely immoral way of thinking, unless you also love Hitler.

BTW, did you note how Christianity puts women in the possession commandment, just like chattel.

Hence the Christian misogyny and refusal to give women full equality.

Regards
DL
 
I left out the first four because you have a hate boner for all religion. I choose not to argue with you because I know it isn't worth my time.
 
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