Social Justice Here we go again: Killing of Rayshard Brooks by Atlanta police

[mal3volent]

Under Tennessee v. Garner, an officer may use deadly force to prevent the escape of a suspect who poses a significant threat of death or serious injury to officers or the public. The officers on scene had already deployed their Taser trying to stop him (remember, Brooks stole the other one).

the taser he stole had already been deployed at the time the shots were fired so, it might as well have been a can opener. No threat to anyone. He had already been searched. Nice try though.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

^ try not to spill any of that water you are carrying.

I am not carrying any water. As a teen and young adult I had the 'fuck the police' mentality.

Now after talking to police officers and when people who I grew up with became police they have an extremely dangerous job, are not to be feared, and the majority in North America and Western, Northern, and southern Europe are not bad people.

If you want to see incredibly racist, violent, and corrupt police go to Mexico, or any number of central, Latin, or south American countries including Venezuela, Brasil. Colombia, Paraguay, Chile, Bolivia, Cuba, Guatemala, Honduras, Belize, Nicaragua, Peru, Panama, etc.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

the taser he stole had already been deployed at the time the shots were fired so, it might as well have been a can opener. No threat to anyone. He had already been searched. Nice try though.

So? Would you have preferred the officer give him a hug instead? If you fire a weapon at police, have a weapon in your hand or on your body, take one of their teasers or guns, or approach them like you are going to hurt or attack them or as though you are going to get a knife, gun, etc., do not be surprised when your ass gets shot. It does not matter what your race is. The majority of black Americans in the USA will never be shot or killed by police, and have completely normal and peaceful interactions with the police.

People who play stupid games win stupid prizes.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

Hmm, police giving up power in any situation to an unstable individual sounds crazy. If he tazed the cop, that could have led to terrible things. Maybe the cop is in the ground, the suspect gets his gun etc. Police have to prepare for the worst. I don't find this shooting unjust and if the shot guy was white, this wouldn't be anywhere. Media is just milking out on the anger of the death of george floyd.

I watched the restaurant burn and all I could think was how next week when the rioters, looters, and arsonists are craving a crispy chicken sandwich they are going to regret lighting it on fire.

 

[mal3volent]

So? Would you have preferred the officer give him a hug instead? If you fire a weapon at police, or approach them like you are going to hurt or attack them, do not be surprised when your ass gets shot. People who play stupid games win stupid prizes.

It's only a game to us posting here on a forum. Not a game to the man who lost his life or his family. Police officers are trained to have restraint and to exercise judgment even in the most extenuating circumstances.

I would have preferred for the cop to do what most other cops would have done: let him go and call additional units to set up a perimeter. Arrest him, then charge him with assault on a police officer, resisting arrest, fleeing, etc.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I am not carrying any water. As a teen and young adult I had the 'fuck the police' mentality.

Now after talking to police officers and when people who I grew up with became police they have an extremely dangerous job, are not to be feared, and the majority in North America and Western, Northern, and southern Europe are not bad people.

If you want to see incredibly racist, violent, and corrupt police go to Mexico, or any number of central, Latin, or south American countries including Venezuela, Brasil. Colombia, Paraguay, Chile, Bolivia, Cuba, Guatemala, Honduras, Belize, Nicaragua, Peru, Panama, etc.

I have read some of your posts and sir, i have to raise my hat for you and tell you that you're based as fuck.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

It's only a game to us posting here on a forum. Not a game to the man who lost his life or his family. Police officers are trained to have restraint and to exercise judgment even in the most extenuating circumstances.

I would have preferred for the cop to do what most other cops would have done: let him go and call additional units to set up a perimeter. Arrest him, then charge him with assault on a police officer, resisting arrest, fleeing, etc.

Have you ever been to Atlanta, or attempted to drive there? In 2020 it is almost as bad as driving in or around Los Angeles. A call to other police officers by the police would take anywhere from 45 mins to an hour to show up.

 

[mal3volent]

Have you ever been to Atlanta, or attempted to drive there? In 2020 it is almost as bad as driving in or around Los Angeles. A call to other police officers by the police would take anywhere from 45 mins to an hour to show up.

That's not true, and I'd be willing to bet I know a lot more about that town than you.

 

[novaveritas]

The majority of black Americans in the USA will never be shot or killed by police, and have completely normal and peaceful interactions with the police.

So it wouldn't be OK if the majority of black Americans in the USA were shot or killed by police, but because it isn't the majority, people with uniforms and guns should be able to kill without repercussions?

You may think police do a difficult and dangerous job, the only people saying that are the police, a police officer is far more likely to shoot themselves with their own gun than be shot. The numbers speak for themselves.

Good police or bad police, the fact remains that the supposed good people who you refer to have a duty to prevent the bad people in their organisation from doing bad things, when though bad things happen what do you hear?? crickets.
Tell me your definition of good again?

 

[Jabberwocky]

White people actually have higher chance of getting shot unarmed than black. Look at statistics. It should be counted based on police encounters / race, not by population %.

 

[Deru]

Rayshard Brooks autopsy shows he was shot in the back twice, medical examiner says

Only Black Republican senator says Rayshard Brooks killing is different than George Floyd's

The US Senate’s only African American Republican, Tim Scott of South Carolina, said today that the Friday night killing of Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta is “far less clear” than that of George Floyd in Minneapolis in which an officer used a chokehold on him.

cnn.it

 

[mal3volent]

Rayshard Brooks autopsy shows he was shot in the back twice, medical examiner says

Pretty difficult to be pointing a taser at the police with his back to them, no?

Only Black Republican senator says Rayshard Brooks killing is different than George Floyd's

The US Senate’s only African American Republican, Tim Scott of South Carolina, said today that the Friday night killing of Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta is “far less clear” than that of George Floyd in Minneapolis in which an officer used a chokehold on him.

cnn.it

this lines up with my analysis that the shots came well after the taser exchange

 

[JessFR]

Yes the cop shouldn't of shot him, but like you say what else could he of done in those circumstances, let him run away and hurt a member of the public

Well first, why would letting him go hurt a member of the public? The only thing he'd done was possibly DUI, and they'd already separated him from his car, so that's out.

But second, they also could have continued to chase him, and try and get him under control again. What would have happened after that we can only speculate, it might even still have resulted in him getting shot. But at least maybe now he would have been shot because he posed an actual danger rather than this bullshit.

 

[mal3volent]

White people actually have higher chance of getting shot unarmed than black. Look at statistics. It should be counted based on police encounters / race, not by population %.

try explaining that logically, with evidence. Good luck.

 

[JessFR]

Ehh, based on what I saw in the video, it looked like he pointed the taser at the cops while he was running. If you imagine it, I can see how you could do that and have gunshots still hit you in the back.

I don't really see that it's relevant. He wasn't holding a gun, he wasn't holding what might have been a gun. The police knew he had a discharged taser.

The encounter had not in any way become more dangerous between the time before they shot him to the time when they did.

The law requires that you believe you or someone else are at risk of death or serious injury. And there is absolutely nothing that could have happened at the point when the cops shot him to prompt that to go from not being the case, to being the case.

Way I see it, unless there's something big I'm missing, the cop who shot him should be charged with his murder.

 

[Jabberwocky]

try explaining that logically, with evidence. Good luck.

In 2019 police shot 9 unarmed black men. In 2019 police shot 19 unarmed white men. 13% of US population is black. They make 37% of arrests for violence, 54% for robbery and 53% for murder. Blacks tend to commit much more these kinds of crimes where use of force is needed to use to take down the suspect. In 2018, the rate of arrests for violent crime was 3.6 times higher for Black people than white people. Black people are underrepresented as victims of police killings, after controlling for the number of encounters. In 2018 23 unarmed black men were shot by police, 25 white men.
There you go.
It should be counted based on how many police arrests there were per race and how many of them led to shooting of unarmed person per group.

 

[mal3volent]

I will keep waiting for the source urls until I even attempt to think about the claim.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I will keep waiting for the source urls until I even attempt to think about the claim.

Kind of arrogant, since you can't even prove anything otherwise. Funny how people blindly believe the media, without doing their own research.
I thought Americans got smarter after war on Iraq, but hey - it's OK.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s

Table 43

ucr.fbi.gov

These are official government statistics. Look at them.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/
The Washington Post database offers information of every police shooting since 2015. You can add criteria for your search, like race and were they armed.
Roland Flyer, a black Harvard economist made a study about police killing and shootings. He said the results were most surprising of his career.

An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force | Roland G. Fryer, Jr.

scholar.harvard.edu

Happy?

 

[mal3volent]

Kind of arrogant, since you can't even prove anything otherwise. Funny how people blindly believe the media, without doing their own research.
I thought Americans got smarter after war on Iraq, but hey - it's OK.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s

Table 43

ucr.fbi.gov

These are official government statistics. Look at them.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/police-shootings-2018/
The Washington Post database offers information of every police shooting since 2015. You can add criteria for your search, like race and were they armed.
Roland Flyer, a black Harvard economist made a study about police killing and shootings. He said the results were most surprising of his career.

An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force | Roland G. Fryer, Jr.

scholar.harvard.edu

Happy?

absolutely not. You can't just make specific claims, some coming down to an exact decimal point, then link to one extremely detailed graph then expect me to extrapolate the data.

 

[Jabberwocky]

absolutely not. You can't just make specific claims, some coming down to an exact decimal point, then link to one extremely detailed graph then expect me to extrapolate the data.

Actually it's 3 graphs + TWP one & the study. The first one of them is only relevant if you look at the 2 lower ones first and read them carefully. Well, i hope you read them. What i hope the most is that you're ready to change your mind. I'm not in here even for ideological reasons, just wanted to state out a fact.