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Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

Simple to put the dangers of heroin are real, but it's not like they're on another level from morphine. This idea heroin is some G-d of opiods only causes people to think highly of it when it's really nothing special.
 
JessFR said:
Heroins danger is overhyped I agree. But it is also very easy to underestimate the risks too.

As a drug, relative to other drugs and assuming you don't take an excessive dosage (which is harmful in almost anything), it is relatively safe and certainly safer than many other substances used for medical reasons legitimately.

But looking at heroin in that idealized scenario doesn't tell the whole story or describe all the risks. You almost certainly don't have the ability to be certain of the dose you're using, and it being illegal, it being expensive, and it being addictive all create all sorts of other hazards.

Some people can try it and have nothing bad happen and live their lives unchanged by the experience. This is certainly true. But assuming that will be true of you is just playing with fire.
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Yes, but it really depends on how and from who you get it as well. You can measure the dose with scales and you can send your drugs to a lab for them to test it (it's even free in my country, which is amazing!) so you can know everything that it has been cut with. I didn't feel like it was expensive for me as I used a low dose but I noticed if you do it every day your tolerance drastically increases so you need more thus more expensive. So probably best to take a few days/weeks off.
Yes, I agree, everyone is different.
 
tacodude said:
Simple to put the dangers of heroin are real, but it's not like they're on another level from morphine. This idea heroin is some G-d of opiods only causes people to think highly of it when it's really nothing special.
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I have heard this about heroin how the high or effects are basically like any other opiate like oxycodone, hydrocodone, or codeine and like codeine it is more sedating than oxycodone and hydrocodone. Is this true?

I am very grateful that when I was dabbling with pharmaceutical opiates such as oxycodone, hydrocodone, and codeine in the 1990s and early 2000s as were many other people that I never had easy access to them and that I never used or tried heroin as it always has been very inexpensive, easier to get than alcohol, and strong where I have lived.

In the 1990s and early 2000s oxycodone and hydrocodone were so easily available it was crazy. I knew people who were not even into using drugs as teens or young adults meaning they did not regularly smoke weed, had never tripped, and did not drink booze who would take oxycodone or hydrocodone and eat them like candy.
 
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JessFR said:
Would be better if it were read by a human. ;)

I haven't watched the whole thing but it also seems quite specific to North American heroin culture.

Man the description of nodding made me feel nostalgic though. Been a long time since I had a nod strong enough for me to do shit like answer someone's question only to find they didn't ask anything and I'd just dreamed it. Good times.
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Haha I used to nod like that in class when I would take oxycodone. I would nod off and think the teacher or instructor had called on me to ask a question, or a friend or classmate was talking to me, but I was nodding and in some dream/imaginative state. The teachers never asked why I was like this or said anything.

I have not used any opiates since 2003 or 2004 and I do not miss them.
 
Morphine types tend to be more sedating while oxycodone and hydrocodone have a noticeable seperate effect I guess has to do with kappa activity.

I wouldn't say they all feel the same where oxymorphone doesn't really have a rush and hydromorphone gave more sensation in the muscles rather then itching morphine gives that also heroin can give. It's really hard to say as I can't say for sure what I've had is DAM like I can say I've used other opiods. I will also say oxycodone IV is USELESS
 
tacodude said:
..oxymorphone doesn't really have a rush and ...I will also say oxycodone IV is USELESS
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Someone doesn't extract their pills properly would be my thought to this, ever do a proper chemical extraction? Oxycodone isn't a prodrug so how would not going first pass metabolized make it fair worse?
 
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JessFR said:
Hope I get to that point one day, cause right now it seems unimaginable.
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I was not addicted to them but I easily could have been. Almost everyone else I know who got into taking pharmaceutical opiates to get high on a regular basis became addicted to them, and a lot started to use heroin. I am really grateful that I never used heroin.

Can you get on subs, slowly cut back, check into a rehab-it gets people away from the drugs and dealers, or go to lots of NA meetings and work with a sponsor?
 
Nagelfar said:
Someone doesn't extract their pills properly would be my thought to this, ever do a proper chemical extraction? Oxycodone isn't a prodrug so how would not going first pass metabolized make it fair worse?
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I'm not going to prove myself to you, but to say the least it's pretty fucking simple to crush a pill, add to cooker, use a sterilfilt tip to draw it, and use it. You act like I'm extracting morphine from poppy seed tea or something...

My guess why it didn't work is that it didn't get converted into its main active metabolite in the same way codeine needs for effect. Nasally oxycodone would have me nodding, but nothing IV. Oxymorphone have noticeable effect and relief, but never any side effects like itchy histamine related effects or any real immediete effects like hydromorphone, morphine, and heroin all can create where I found the latter two to have a different "rush" then the later being a tingling sensation in the muscles rather them itching all over the skin. Hard to explain especially to someone who hasn't had the same experience if that's the case.
 
tacodude said:
I'm not going to prove myself to you, but to say the least it's pretty fucking simple to crush a pill, add to cooker, use a sterilfilt tip to draw it, and use it. You act like I'm extracting morphine from poppy seed tea or something...
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Morphine meconate has no added oral-route primacy binder for one. Just crushing and drawing isn't washing or extracting is what I meant, not the best comparison.
 
Just because you use big words doesn't mean you know anything. Bugger off... I'm not interested in derailing this thread further with you.
 
Didn't mean to derail the 'should I try heroin' megathread by mentioning the protonated form of natural poppy pod opium. I just meant to elucidate (now that's verbose pendantics or big word use) that unnatural pills filtered for full effect is going to be harder than a simple pod tea prep.

Not asking you to leave, don't even know the issue, I apologise if I upset you. Tone is difficult to convey on the internet.
 
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No never I not even a big user I've missed a couple shots recently and worried
I think about. Nodding everyday it skyrockets your tolerance you think sixty mg oxy is alot it fck all to twenty pound worth of gear a 100mg is at least a 60 70mg oxy more if injected.
 
Tried once. Never fully appreciated it, thankfully. It was one day-long binge.

Had weird cravings to "explore" it more even months after. Suffice to say I had to delete some numbers to stop from getting into it.

Nagelfar said:
Didn't mean to detail the 'should I try heroin' megathread by mentioning the protonated form of natural poppy pod opium. I just meant to elucidate (now that's verbose pendantics or big word use) that unnatural pills filtered for full effect is going to be harder than a simple pod tea prep.

Not asking you to leave, don't even know the issue, I apologise if I upset you. Tone is difficult to convey on the internet.
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You were fine. And yes as you know, it does mean you know something. Also from your other posts.
 
AlphaMethylPhenyl said:
Tried once. Never fully appreciated it, thankfully. It was one day-long binge.

Had weird cravings to "explore" it more even months after. Suffice to say I had to delete some numbers to stop from getting into it.
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You're fortunate.

I wish I could delete my dealers numbers.
Unfortunately I was broke and homeless for a significant period of time, and used payphones instead. As a result I have all the numbers memorized.

Hopefully most have changed their numbers by now.
 
JessFR said:
As a result I have all the numbers memorized.

Hopefully most have changed their numbers by now.
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When you're covered in a layer of frost AND have that god Dam Gorilla on ur back. If u Wanna Score, you're gonna do whstever it takes to get ur next dose/shot.
 
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