Opiates and traveling

[CaptProton]

Hey everyone I’m new here so please excuse me if I’m not following a rule or two. Anyway, I’m a IV heroin user in North America for many years. Been on and off quite a few times for most of my life but the last ten years I’ve used everyday and typically start to withdraw if I don’t have anything for about 24-48 hrs. I’m going to be traveling to Europe In a few months and I have no idea what I should do at this point and was hoping some of you had some advice on preparations. Should I attempt bringing a small amt of dope for personal use in my carry-on? Or in a checked bag? What about stuffed inside vitamin capsules maybe in a prescription bottle? Or some other way? Or should I entirely avoid attempting to bring Dope with me. Are there any alternatives overseas? Could really use some help and don’t know where to turn. Thankyou.

 

[Shady's Fox]

Are you crazy? Do you think this is a festival or a cinema, you just hide stuff in other shits? No. Just buy it there.

 

[CaptProton]

I really don’t have any ideas at this point. But traveling so far away, where I don’t know the language or anybody there and can’t just race back home, well, I’m not sure that simply going with the intentions to “buy it there” with no preparations is a very good idea. As I said I’ve been shooting heroin for about ten years, regularly(without breaks) so it can be pretty brutal when I don’t have anything for more than a day or two. Perhaps there something I can purchase at a euro pharmacy OTC that would aid in at least holding me over.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I don't know much about opiates but with stimulants I've found without exception around the world, including several cities in Europe, that connecting with an independent working girl advertising herself as 'party girl' opens doors to what I need. Of course, you pay a premium being the cost of her time to help you. I'm sure many girls are opiate enthusiasts as well.

Apologies if this counts as 'sourcing' - no doubt it will be deleted if so.

 

[MJ420]

Do not try to bring dope on an airplane. That would be jail no matter what amount. It is heroin.
Hit up methadone clinics or scummy areas where you would usually find it here. Use Google translate or something to learn a few words to get it.
Just don't try to bring some , most likely you will get caught no matter how smart you think you are

 

[Burnt Offerings]

Use suboxone.

 

[CaptProton]

Thanks guys for some new ideas. I appreciate the help.

 

[JTemperance]

Hey everyone I’m new here so please excuse me if I’m not following a rule or two. Anyway, I’m a IV heroin user in North America for many years. Been on and off quite a few times for most of my life but the last ten years I’ve used everyday and typically start to withdraw if I don’t have anything for about 24-48 hrs. I’m going to be traveling to Europe In a few months and I have no idea what I should do at this point and was hoping some of you had some advice on preparations. Should I attempt bringing a small amt of dope for personal use in my carry-on? Or in a checked bag? What about stuffed inside vitamin capsules maybe in a prescription bottle? Or some other way? Or should I entirely avoid attempting to bring Dope with me. Are there any alternatives overseas? Could really use some help and don’t know where to turn. Thankyou.

I wouldn't bring any heroin on an international flight, even though the odds of are probably realistically in your favor. Depending on where you're going, if you have money and no desire to stop using, I personally think your best bet is copping once you arrive, and seeing if you can get some Suboxone to bring with you in case you have trouble.

From what I have seen/heard, heroin is fairly prevalent in most of the major cities of continental Western Europe (France being the exception, with Subutex and morphine dominating) and most also have a semi-tolerated open-air dealing zone, which you can probably identify with some research. The heroin-using population of Europe is probably older on average than their North American counterparts, with many having gotten started in the 80s/90s, and not having the same influx of younger addicts from the last 20 years.

Remember, the overwhelming majority of European heroin is of the Afghan-origin "#2" or freebase variety, which is best chased off foil; otherwise it requires an acid (citric or ascorbic given out at needle exchanges) to be dissolved for IV use, though it can be snorted in small amounts as is, apparently due to nasal passages adjusting the pH.

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

not through customs. it's different than domestic travel where they're looking only looking for weapons.

you can find heroin in about any european county in 24 hours or less. that's not fun though. it's not gonna be your reliable connect.

also many of the countries sell codeine without any other active ingredient and similar things otc. france does, last time i was there.

you're going to get sick. taper as much as possible beforehand.

 

[CaptProton]

Thanks @JTemperance although, somehow I think your post brought up more questions for me that it did anything else haha. It’s good though, if anything it showed me just how ill-prepared I actually am although I do have time to do some research. Italy is where I’ll be for most of my time. And I’m currently used to powder, which due to availability, in actuality is probably mostly fentanyl. I’m not sure if I get what you’re talking about, as far as needing an acid to break down the stuff; is it like tar? Does heat work in lieu of that? If not, are needle exchanges prevalent(in my state they were just recently introduced and there’s only one I know of on the opposite side of the state). Maybe opioids I could iv would make more sense? A pill I could break down like Morphine perhaps? Since I don’t think I’m familiar with the dope you mentioned, also I don’t know if the strength will be an issue(if it will be strong enough). Ugh. Maybe I’m overthinking it. I don’t want to spend half my trip sick and trying to cop although me and Naloxone don’t mix(I’ll leave it at that.) I don’t want to take anything that bothers me either though. Certain Heroins(I still don’t really understand it tbh) usually the brown powders, sometimes Tar(although the tar out west in Cali was never an issue for me) give me horrible oatmeal skin and makes me break out in red hives, it’s really unpleasant. I’ve always been much better off with the opioid type stuff like the fentanyl based stuff I been doing. Maybe I should do some research on spots that coping/selling may be tolerated like you mentioned - I just don’t want to get taken advantage of(or shot) being a tourist that doesn’t know the language- not sure how keen the locals are on all of that. Maybe I can ask the European groups for some slang? Would that count as sourcing? I am new but I understand that’s against the rules. Thanks for your patience haha I know this got kinda long.

 

[CaptProton]

@hydroazuanacaine yeah, I’ll do my best to try and taper a bit although I know I’m kidding myself. My dependence has gotten completely out of control. I heard about certain pharmacy’s selling Codine OTC though, how does that work? Do you need ins or a Dr. note or can I literally just walk right up and punch it into a translator? I’d imagine it’s at their discretion at least... I doubt that’s something they like selling Americans although I’m not sure how they even view something like codine. Are you aware of any other differences they might have from American pharmacies?

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

you walk in and ask for it. "two-see-pax." then they'll ask you if you want pills or syrup, in french of course. "comris-something" for the pills. the syrup sounds almost like the word syrup. they're half codeine, half something-morphine (which is indistinguishable from codeine). you can say you want to two packs. say "oui" or repeat "compris" back at them when they ask you a question after you say two-see-pax, and hold up two fingers. dont ask for more. they might shake their head in disappointment or something, but as they take your money. i was never refused. if you ask for more than two, they'll say they only have two left 100 percent of the time. which will just confuse the conversation. they usually speak zero english, zero spanish. but there's a drug store every five feet in the cities. so you can walk down one block and have 20 packs with i think 20 or 30 pills in each.



looks like there is 15 in each. they're like a t3 without the apap. not recommending it, but i dumped out a mega sized thing of advil (same red pills) and filled it with hundreds of these. brought it everywhere in europe with me.

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only once was i lectured. in french. i couldn't understand anything so i replied in spanish that i couldn't understand him and were they out of stock or not, figuring they didn't speak it (i had already tried english without success). he shocked me by replying back in spanish, "yeah, we have it" in the tone of a child mocking you (he could tell i didn't think he spoke spanish). then he sold me my two packs. that was once in the 50 or so drug stores i went into in multiple french cities. the rest either smiled, showed no emotion, or limited themselves to a disappointed head shake.

what sucks is i can't speak spanish anymore. i wasn't fluent or anything, but after being there a couple of months i could speak it. now i cannot at all. conversations that were had in spanish, i remember in english. too bad

oh, and all french drug stores are closed on sunday. or were. and i mean all. was a shock to my system the first week i discovered this.

 

[CaptProton]

you walk in and ask for it. "two-see-pax." then they'll ask you if you want pills or syrup, in french of course. "comris-something" for the pills. the syrup sounds almost like the word syrup. they're half codeine, half something-morphine (which is indistinguishable from codeine). you can say you want to two packs. say "oui" or repeat "compris" back at them when they ask you a question after you say two-see-pax, and hold up two fingers. dont ask for more. they might shake their head in disappointment or something, but as they take your money. i was never refused. if you ask for more than two, they'll say they only have two left 100 percent of the time. which will just confuse the conversation. they usually speak zero english, zero spanish. but there's a drug store every five feet in the cities. so you can walk down one block and have 20 packs with i think 20 or 30 pills in each.

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looks like there is 15 in each. they're like a t3 without the apap. not recommending it, but i dumped out a mega sized thing of advil (same red pills) and filled it with hundreds of these. brought it everywhere in europe with me.

edit:
only once was i lectured. in french. i couldn't understand anything so i replied in spanish that i couldn't understand him and were they out of stock or not, figuring they didn't speak it. he shocked me by replying back in spanish, "yeah, we have it" in the tone of a child mocking you (he could tell i didn't think he spoke spanish). then he sold me my two packs. that was once in the 50 or so drug stores i went into in multiple french cities. the rest either smiled, showed no emotion, or limited themselves to a disappointed head shake.

Ah I see. Thanks for such a detailed explanation along with the edit which made me chuckle a bit haha. Some people are just rude, what can ya do smh. Just to clarify, I’ll be in Italy for most of my trip, not sure if I’ll make it to France or not. But I’d guess its the same? With the exception of the French- speaking part, of course.

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

not sure if there's something similar over the counter in italy. if so, the conversation is completely different. we bought drugs on the street in italy though. there are junkies just hanging out on the sidewalk. they'll certainly split dope with you, if you pay. kinda like buying crack in america and breaking the runner off a piece, only not nearly as organized and not necessarily instant. sometimes we had to meet up the next night. there are morrocans in most counties that walk around whispering "hashish, coca, speed" late at night, but we were told not to buy anything from them. pretty sure the person who told us that made a stabbing motion to emphasize the point. who knows if they knew what they were talking about. could have been a racist comment. we bought hash from morrocans in southern spain, but that was different.

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in italy we were with people who spoke both italian and enlish. i imagine things would be more complicated otherwise. lots of italians can speak english, but not necessarily those who are good for dope. maybe. i can't remember. from what i recall, most of italy can speak a touch of english. at least waiters, hotel workers, etc.

also i was there about a decade ago.

 

[JTemperance]

you walk in and ask for it. "two-see-pax." then they'll ask you if you want pills or syrup, in french of course. "comris-something" for the pills. the syrup sounds almost like the word syrup. they're half codeine, half something-morphine (which is indistinguishable from codeine). you can say you want to two packs. say "oui" or repeat "compris" back at them when they ask you a question after you say two-see-pax, and hold up two fingers. dont ask for more. they might shake their head in disappointment or something, but as they take your money. i was never refused. if you ask for more than two, they'll say they only have two left 100 percent of the time. which will just confuse the conversation. they usually speak zero english, zero spanish. but there's a drug store every five feet in the cities. so you can walk down one block and have 20 packs with i think 20 or 30 pills in each.

France made all codeine (and DXM, I think) products prescription-only in the last year or two, unfortunately, prompted by domestic teenage "lean/sizzurp" hysteria (who said it only affected Americans?) A tragedy, really, since Tussipax (tablet or syrup) was probably queen of OTC opiates in the Western world, as far as I'm aware (maybe sharing the throne with Spain's Perduretas), and extra-special because of the ethylmorphine (aka Dionin[e]) content. Paderyl and Neo-Codion were close runners-up in practice, even if the latter had quite a bit of stigma. Now even Codoliprane requires an Rx.

Mephenesin, a somewhat obscure muscle relaxant sold under the brand name Decontractyl (as tablets and cream), used to be OTC in France, but has been taken off the market completely within the last couple of years as well.

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

^nice update. sorry, yeah, i was there a while ago. edited my post a moment after you posted to mention it was about a decade ago.

Mephenesin, a somewhat obscure muscle relaxant sold under the brand name Decontractyl (as tablets and cream), used to be OTC in France, but has been taken off the market completely within the last couple of years as well.

i tried it there. the tablets would give you a lightheadedness for a very short amount of time. didn't find it good for much except falling asleep in overcrowded hostel rooms when mixed with alcohol and tussipax. also it was much more expensive than tussipax.

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

@JTemperance

are you french? did france mourn anna karina's recent passing much? i know she wasn't french, but she was certainly a french icon.

even though i was ready for it like a grandparent's passing, i'm saddened. i appreciate her contributions to motion film.



what are you going to italy for, OP? if that's not too personal.

 

[JTemperance]

Thanks @JTemperance although, somehow I think your post brought up more questions for me that it did anything else haha. It’s good though, if anything it showed me just how ill-prepared I actually am although I do have time to do some research. Italy is where I’ll be for most of my time. And I’m currently used to powder, which due to availability, in actuality is probably mostly fentanyl. I’m not sure if I get what you’re talking about, as far as needing an acid to break down the stuff; is it like tar? Does heat work in lieu of that? If not, are needle exchanges prevalent(in my state they were just recently introduced and there’s only one I know of on the opposite side of the state). Maybe opioids I could iv would make more sense? A pill I could break down like Morphine perhaps? Since I don’t think I’m familiar with the dope you mentioned, also I don’t know if the strength will be an issue(if it will be strong enough). Ugh. Maybe I’m overthinking it. I don’t want to spend half my trip sick and trying to cop although me and Naloxone don’t mix(I’ll leave it at that.) I don’t want to take anything that bothers me either though. Certain Heroins(I still don’t really understand it tbh) usually the brown powders, sometimes Tar(although the tar out west in Cali was never an issue for me) give me horrible oatmeal skin and makes me break out in red hives, it’s really unpleasant. I’ve always been much better off with the opioid type stuff like the fentanyl based stuff I been doing. Maybe I should do some research on spots that coping/selling may be tolerated like you mentioned - I just don’t want to get taken advantage of(or shot) being a tourist that doesn’t know the language- not sure how keen the locals are on all of that. Maybe I can ask the European groups for some slang? Would that count as sourcing? I am new but I understand that’s against the rules. Thanks for your patience haha I know this got kinda long.

You need an acid to break it down, heat won't suffice, though you should use heat as well. I'd advise giving your veins a vacation and just smoking it off foil -- pretty much the same as you would smoke tar, except Euro heroin runs better on foil and is more pleasant to smoke. You'll probably find it kind of weak, if you're accustomed to IV fent-dope (though I don't know how big your habit is), but you can make up for it with quantity if you find a decent source. I read something within the last few years reporting that Italian heroin averaged ~17% purity.

I would guess there's at least one needle exchange type place in any major city where they'll probably have Sterifilts (a filter that fits over the needle of an insulin syringe, much superior to cotton) and sachets of citric/Vit C. If you're communicating with another junkie, they'd be the one to direct you. You don't need to use too much acid to get it dissolve, heat and stir it, then see if it's breaking down, using just a pinch of acid at a time. It's hell on your veins in excess and not good even in small quantities, though a short vacation shouldn't make a big difference.

I think finding any other strong opiates (other than maybe methadone) on the street in Italy would be much more challenging than finding heroin -- and from what I saw, prepping Skenan capsules (controlled-release morphine) like they do in France is quite a bit more complicated than prepping a shot of heroin freebase.

The risk of getting shot or incarcerated is much lower than the comparable mission in the USA would entail. Many of the people visibly involved in the drug trade are not exactly native speakers of the country's language, so they shouldn't be too put off by your lack of proficiency. I don't know about sourcing or whatever, but European heroin is often described on the street in terms of its color (i.e., brown).

 

[JTemperance]

@JTemperance

are you french? did france mourn anna karina's recent passing much? i know she wasn't french, but she was certainly a french icon.

even though i was ready for it like a grandparent's passing, i'm saddened. i appreciate her contributions to motion film.

I'm not French, but I am a great admirer of her work with Godard (and some later work, even if few of the films measured up to that level), so I did indeed mourn personally. I have a feeling the French press commemorated her in high style, especially since it seems she was indeed French (republican values!), though I don't know when she became a citizen.

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

I have a feeling the French press commemorated her in high style

hope so. deserved. and she was sensitive. don't want to derail the thread, but i'm happy you too appreciate her and godard's works.