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Welp, we are about right on schedule for these conversations. I will be seeing myself out. I bid you both adieu and until next time sweet lizardy dreams of warm rocks, sunshine, and abundant child sex slaves to harvest adrenochrome from insect food
 
You know @CoastTwoCoast I don't think I've called you any names. Neither have I accused you of arguing in bad faith. Quite the contrary I even said that I believed you were being sincere.

I know it's easy to get frustrated, but I suggest that you aren't doing your argument any favors by letting your frustration get the better of you.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
You were basically calling me a liar the entire time, but that's ok. I'm done.
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When did I call you a liar?

I believe that you believe what you're saying. I just think you're mistaken. I think you've been mislead like so many others.

But I don't think you're lying.

The closest I recall coming to calling you a liar, was calling out the dishonesty in saying that infographic is the truth when you admit that its claim of these being known code words is probably highly misleading.

But lying would imply intent, and I don't think you realized the dishonesty going on.

EDIT: For what it's worth, I don't actually feel any negative feelings towards you at all. I just think you've been mislead. I think that you, like a great many people, have fallen victim to arguments that on the surface seem extremely compelling, because of a lack of more extensive skepticism and scientific thinking.

I don't think it makes you a bad person, I don't think it makes you stupid. Just human.
 
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JessFR said:
It is very suspicious, there's no denying that.

But I have complete faith in the governments boundless incompetence. And I can believe that epstein was suicidal. Which makes his suicide at least plausible.

And I won't commit to one interpretation when there's good evidence for both. I'll simply say that I don't know.
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Hah okay I can live with that :D
CoastTwoCoast said:
Jess isn't discussing it in good faith. She's just here to discredit everything and shouldn't even be a part of the conversation.
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Wrong, she's just asking questions and being skeptical (her right), you ignore them and you shout that it's so clear and that she's dumb for not believing you. How will she ever believe you, if you don't address any of her concerns about source material? Never. It's the equivalent of a guy shouting on the street that the world is going to end, with some shriveled down paper as evidence, and when people don't listen he calls them stupid and ignorant. It's not even about whether it's all true.
 
Hold on i came across this killing time at work.




The church says it, must be true. Obviously there are no kiddie diddlers in the govt - unless ofc they are married

Man the church is as dumb as Hillary Clinton. When will they learn to just shut their fucking mouths
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
Hah okay I can live with that :D
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Something I love to imagine, is that there really was a plot to kill him, only for the staff to be so hideously incompetent that they let him kill himself before they could murder him.

That would be awesome and exactly the kind of insanity I expect from the world.

Something I think conspiracy theorists sometimes don't get... Is that there's no amount of incompetence so hideous or inept that I find implausible.

I find human incompetence to be infinite in its capacity.
 
Infinite? For someone who gets so hung up in the details I find that a bit absurd.
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
Hah okay I can live with that :D

Wrong, she's just asking questions and being skeptical (her right), you ignore them and you shout that it's so clear and that she's dumb for not believing you. How will she ever believe you, if you don't address any of her concerns about source material? Never. It's the equivalent of a guy shouting on the street that the world is going to end, with some shriveled down paper as evidence, and when people don't listen he calls them stupid and ignorant. It's not even about whether it's all true.
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You can show all the evidence here and it doesn't matter. I did address her concerns and backed it up with plenty of evidence. There's no use discussing these things here. @DopeM was the only one with sense who said that kid shouldn't have been taped to a table with a grown person standing behind her. I didn't call names the whole time, but it's unbelievable how people deny, deny, deny. So boring.

And how can anyone with good sense not believe Epstein was killed because he was about to give a list of high profile pedophiles who visit his island? I can't take a person like that seriously. And no wonder I think there's some kind of agenda going on here to cover up the truth.
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
I don't know man, guards sleeping, cameras malfunctioning, experts examining his body, in that prison, with all that is going on? Those are some astronomical odds.
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Ehhh, cameras malfunction could also be incompetent underfunded maintenance. Which strikes me as plausible.

As does inept guards not properly watching to see that a pedo doesn't off himself.

Doesn't seem that implausible.

Don't get me wrong it still stinks. I can't blame anyone for finding it very suspicious. But if I found out somehow for a fact that he really did kill himself, I wouldn't be that surprised. It's entirely consistent with the incompetence I've seen from government.

DopeM said:
Infinite? For someone who gets so hung up in the details I find that a bit absurd.
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What do you mean? All I'm saying is that there's no amount of incompetence I find implausible.
 
DopeM said:
Hold on i came across this killing time at work.




The church says it, must be true. Obviously there are no kiddie diddlers in the govt - unless ofc they are married

Man the church is as dumb as Hillary Clinton. When will they learn to just shut their fucking mouths
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They have no right to judge people like that, it's not their place. That's wrong.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
You can show all the evidence here and it doesn't matter. I did address her concerns and backed it up with plenty of evidence. There's no use discussing these things here. @DopeM was the only one with sense who said that kid shouldn't have been taped to a table with a grown person standing behind her. I didn't call names the whole time, but it's unbelievable how people deny, deny, deny. So boring.

And how can anyone with good sense not believe Epstein was killed because he was about to give a list of high profile pedophiles who visit his island? I can't take a person like that seriously. And no wonder I think there's some kind of agenda going on here to cover up the truth.
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What evidence? I asked for evidence about the origin of the video, I haven't seen you provide any. I asked for evidence of the origin of the code words, you said you had none.

The only evidence I recall you presenting after your deleted posts (which themselves are just unsourced infographics) is the video itself, which shows nothing more than some man who might be podesta, yelling at some kid somewhere that might be a pizza place. And some sounds that might be someone being hit. That's not a lot to go on. Which is why I asked for more details on the videos origin, it's veracity, etc.
 
I mean, you come off as relatively intelligent. You find lines to draw on almost every subject. You have no problem saying, "I don't know".

I guess this is your way of saying you don't know what lengths human error can go to. But surely you have a point at which you think it is implausible. Maybe I am assuming here though
 
JessFR said:
What evidence? I asked for evidence about the origin of the video, I haven't seen you provide any. I asked for evidence of the origin of the code words, you said you had none.

The only evidence I recall you presenting is the video itself, which shows nothing more than some man who might be podesta, yelling at some kid
somewhere that might be a pizza place. That's not a lot to go on.
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Not only that, but the entire PizzaGate poster that explains EVERYTHING. And the obvious fucked up images at Comet Ping Pong you deny, deny, deny and the "artwork" of Tony Podesta with children in bondage that obviously screams pedophilia. It's ok, just because you deny it doesn't mean it's not happening.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
Not only that, but the entire PizzaGate poster that explains EVERYTHING. And the obvious fucked up images at Comet Ping Pong you deny, deny, deny and the "artwork" of Tony Podesta with children in bondage that obviously screams pedophilia. It's ok, just because you deny it doesn't mean it's not happening.
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I don't think you understand what I consider proof.

I can create an infographic that says anything I like on it. That's not evidence. How do I know those pictures are what they purport to be?

This is why I spoke about foundation. Evidence needs foundation to be reliable.

Also. At no point have I ever actually denied your claims. You keep saying I do but I haven't. Not accepting them without evidence isn't the same as saying they're untrue. It's saying they haven't been established to be true.

I am saying you haven't established any of this to be true. Which isn't the same as saying it's definitively false.

And traditionally the onus is on the one making the claim to start with to back it up.

This is exactly why I dismiss YouTube and infographics, because they almost never provide foundation. Their evidence is just presented with the claim that it is what they say, with no foundation to ensure that it is what it purports.

For instance saying that these are "known pedophile code words". To both our knowledge that is untrue. But it is stated as true with no foundation. That's not evidence.
 
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