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Conspiracies Epstein Dies in Custody - Alleged Suicide, Some Speculate it was a Hit Job

^ you complained that the major networks did not report the trump connection story when in the very same post you embedded a video of a major network reporting the story. you literally pre-proved your own claim absolutely wrong :)

...and WHAT EVIDENCE?! I think I've asked you this last time you said something about evidence. What evidence
you need only look as far as the account of the call first published by the white house itself...
  • at the time of the call president trump was holding up hundreds of millions of dollars in u.s. aid - appropriated by the u.s. congress - to ukraine
  • he alludes to the aid on page 2 of the official account
  • he starts talking about reciprocity on the same page, saying that somethings happening in ukraine are not good but the u.s. has still been very good in return.
  • he then immediately asks zelenskyy for "a favor" and the favor is the investigations
tl;dr you do this for me and i'll do this for you. the very definition of a quid pro quo.

alasdair
 
All that would be known widely about Epstein is he is an extremely wealthy hedge fund guy (etc is a hedge fund anyway) and had a whole bunch of young attractive girls on his speex dial who show up abd carvot/have sex with famous guys who are kinda gross and only have their fame/wealth as drawcards.


Its likely theres a lot more than girls going on with all this bullshit, it's unlikely just women and girls are being traded around. Dirty political tactics do need to be hidden to keep up an image of good standing in public so maybe this bloke was always some kind of a front, or shell and is just written off as a pedophile now , won't be any digging around to see much else.


This girl Andrew was with was 17, that's of age, she knew what she was doing if the photo is real anyway, sounds like bullshit to me though, like that other thing about the Judge and the drunken teen grope incident.
 
All that would be known widely about Epstein is he is an extremely wealthy hedge fund guy (etc is a hedge fund anyway) and had a whole bunch of young attractive girls on his speex dial who show up abd carvot/have sex with famous guys who are kinda gross and only have their fame/wealth as drawcards.


Its likely theres a lot more than girls going on with all this bullshit, it's unlikely just women and girls are being traded around. Dirty political tactics do need to be hidden to keep up an image of good standing in public so maybe this bloke was always some kind of a front, or shell and is just written off as a pedophile now , won't be any digging around to see much else.


This girl Andrew was with was 17, that's of age, she knew what she was doing if the photo is real anyway, sounds like bullshit to me though, like that other thing about the Judge and the drunken teen grope incident.
Epistein went to the poorest parts where he would wave his cash around to underage girls for his pedophile network. These girls were exploited by the rich and powerful and forced to do loads of depraved shit. This world is fucked up and those in power get away with anything they want. This is why i dream of the day the people rise up and burn these sicks fucks at stakes in the capitals all over the world revolution and bring these motherfucker assholes to justice.
 
The Australian girl who has spoken about Prince Andrew was of age and was not poor, I wonder in that instance what the deal is there .

I agree that underage exploitation is abhorrent however it's not likely the one and only sinister enterprise that was going on using hedge funds as a shell.
 
more "suicides" in epstein's circle

No mention of Epstien in the article. A lot about Trump, however...

There in nothing to suggest Bowers was or has been subject to any federal investigation or linked to any inquiry into wrongdoing. Equally there are no signs his suicide was connected to his professional life, Forensic News reported.
 
No mention of Epstien in the article. A lot about Trump, however...
needed to find a more trustworthy source than this one, but he was epstein's private banker

 
Can someone explain the appeal of all this to me? Is it just the thrill of transgression, fighting the Man and the Post-Modern Techno-Industrial Megastate to do the things Epstein did, or something? I mean, who wants to do it with girls who don't know what they are doing? I wasn't that enamoured of 12-18 year old girls when I was that age myself, much less later on.

The usual way things went when I was that age was that a middle-aged friend or a lady known to the family and social circles would have young men accompany them to the opera and theatre and church and political rallies and local and regional travel of various types and learn all sorts of things that way, then after the local age of consent we fucked our brains out in order to learn how to do it. Usually they were married women with husbands preoccupied with other things as is so often the case; one would hear of divorcées and the occasional widow and so on, but we could do both the public and the semi-clandestine parts for a prolonged period if so desired of it provided it wasn't an obvious sloppy very public thing and therefore actively cuckolding the fellow and embarrassing him in public and thereby allowing people to call the woman a slut. The husbands were relieved by the situation when done correctly because they could devote more attention to designing skyscrapers, working their way up in politics, writing big thick books, working on philosophical theories or whatever, and there was the main reason for it, so that our future wives would have a husband who knew his way around pussy and clit and so forth in addition to everything else.

I know of two cases where the husbands were very eager to get it set up not only for tradition, culture and pragmatism, but so that they could get down the business of sucking some serious cock. And if your initiatrix liked to eat pussy you were in like Flynn as they say . . . I also knew a family of electrical engineers who wound up designing a microprocessor-controlled vibrator with 100 speeds, 10 amplitudes of vibration, the ability to make the pattern go forward and backwards (as in a circular motion being clockwise or counterclockwise), 36 waveforms to the electricity, the ability to programme the whole shooting match from scratch in any pattern and amplitude, speed, and complexity desired, in machine code, assembly language, Fortran 66, Algol 58, and C when connected to a computer with a cable and carry multiple programmes which could be organised witrh JCL or a very early form of the Bourne Shell I think it was. It also kept the surface a temperature of the user's choosing and also measured the force exerted on the vibrator, galvanic resistance, temperature, pulse, blood pressure, and a number of other things. It moved in all three dimensions and an attachment for sticking up one's bum was also developed later, as well as four small reservoirs which could hold anything from hot water to all manner of drugs like C-Jam, smack, oxy &c and could be actuated via buttons on the handle or preferably worked by code in the programmed instructions. One could also record a manual session with it and play it back later to make the vibrator do the exact same things, and that programme was in a form which could be edited just like an spreadsheet macro these days. There was also a means for integrating a butt harp. Now that I think of it, the vital signs recording potentially made it the world's first lie detecting sex toy.
 
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People like the story cuz it involves a rich degenerate w/ weird sex stuff & murky connections with powerful people

Have you seen "Eyes Wide Shut"? It's like the appeal of "Eyes Wide Shut", lol
 
Excerpt of an interview with Alan Dershowitz, one of Trump’s impeachment lawyers, who was also Jeffrey Epstein’s lawyer, on why he regrets meeting Epstein and what he thinks of Epstein’s death:

Why?

Because [Epstein has] turned my life around in a very negative way. I expected when I turned 75 and retired from Harvard that I’d be in a place of honor. You know, that people were honoring me, giving me honorary degrees, doing all these wonderful things. Now I can never again speak at a college. I can never get an honorary doctorate at a college. Speeches have been canceled. The 92nd Street Y, where I’ve been giving speeches for 25 years, said to people that they know I’m innocent, that I never met this woman, that they don’t want trouble, and so many people are so upset about Epstein that they’ll never allow me to speak again. You can imagine why I wish I’d never met him.

Do you think he killed himself?

Probably. But I think it’s possible that he may have paid guards off to facilitate his ability to kill himself. I can’t imagine that a series of coincidences of empty cell, no cameras, there are too many coincidences there and I think it should be an investigation.

What a jerk, but his opinion on Epstein’s death is interesting.
 
Excerpt of an interview with Alan Dershowitz, one of Trump’s impeachment lawyers, who was also Jeffrey Epstein’s lawyer, on why he regrets meeting Epstein and what he thinks of Epstein’s death:



What a jerk, but his opinion on Epstein’s death is interesting.

I agree. I could totally believe it. In fact in this this may be my favorite theory so far.

I've never liked either the murder or simple suicide theory. Neither ever felt entirely "right" so to speak.

This one however seems to fit perfectly. It explains the disturbing coincidences but without being overly complicated or inconsistent.
 
It's not like he's going to come right out and say "Epstein was murdered!" That would put a target on his back. What he said could very well be his true opinion, but it could also just be him saving his own butt. To think otherwise is silly.

I really don't understand how a murder "theory" couldn't feel right when he was about to blow the whistle on elite visiting pedophile island, but at this point I might as well be ramming my head into a wall going over that same very obvious fact.
 
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No what's silly is suggesting anyone so competent as to pull off a clandestine murder is going to kill everyone who endorses the murder theory when they have absolutely no evidence.

It would just be making the theory more believable than ignoring it completely.
 
I wasn't talking about epstein, or if he was murdered or not. Just that I can't see anyone being killed for mouthing off conspiracy theories with no evidence behind them. I mean it just makes what they're saying more credible not less. So if they have no evidence, what's the point?

Anyway, it's off topic I probably shouldn't have mentioned it.
 
Can someone explain the appeal of all this to me? Is it just the thrill of transgression, fighting the Man and the Post-Modern Techno-Industrial Megastate to do the things Epstein did, or something? I mean, who wants to do it with girls who don't know what they are doing? I wasn't that enamoured of 12-18 year old girls when I was that age myself, much less later on.

The usual way things went when I was that age was that a middle-aged friend or a lady known to the family and social circles would have young men accompany them to the opera and theatre and church and political rallies and local and regional travel of various types and learn all sorts of things that way, then after the local age of consent we fucked our brains out in order to learn how to do it. Usually they were married women with husbands preoccupied with other things as is so often the case; one would hear of divorcées and the occasional widow and so on, but we could do both the public and the semi-clandestine parts for a prolonged period if so desired of it provided it wasn't an obvious sloppy very public thing and therefore actively cuckolding the fellow and embarrassing him in public and thereby allowing people to call the woman a slut. The husbands were relieved by the situation when done correctly because they could devote more attention to designing skyscrapers, working their way up in politics, writing big thick books, working on philosophical theories or whatever, and there was the main reason for it, so that our future wives would have a husband who knew his way around pussy and clit and so forth in addition to everything else.

I know of two cases where the husbands were very eager to get it set up not only for tradition, culture and pragmatism, but so that they could get down the business of sucking some serious cock. And if your initiatrix liked to eat pussy you were in like Flynn as they say . . . I also knew a family of electrical engineers who wound up designing a microprocessor-controlled vibrator with 100 speeds, 10 amplitudes of vibration, the ability to make the pattern go forward and backwards (as in a circular motion being clockwise or counterclockwise), 36 waveforms to the electricity, the ability to programme the whole shooting match from scratch in any pattern and amplitude, speed, and complexity desired, in machine code, assembly language, Fortran 66, Algol 58, and C when connected to a computer with a cable and carry multiple programmes which could be organised witrh JCL or a very early form of the Bourne Shell I think it was. It also kept the surface a temperature of the user's choosing and also measured the force exerted on the vibrator, galvanic resistance, temperature, pulse, blood pressure, and a number of other things. It moved in all three dimensions and an attachment for sticking up one's bum was also developed later, as well as four small reservoirs which could hold anything from hot water to all manner of drugs like C-Jam, smack, oxy &c and could be actuated via buttons on the handle or preferably worked by code in the programmed instructions. One could also record a manual session with it and play it back later to make the vibrator do the exact same things, and that programme was in a form which could be edited just like an spreadsheet macro these days. There was also a means for integrating a butt harp. Now that I think of it, the vital signs recording potentially made it the world's first lie detecting sex toy.
Where are you from or where did you grow up? Do you have a picture of that vibrator?
 
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