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Mass Shootings and Gun Debate 2019ish

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jpgrdnr said:
It will never change. Its written into the Constitution and what the country is founded upon.
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Probably won't change much, but not necessarily for that reason.

The Constitution has been altered, it has 27 amendments.

Slavery has been constitutional, alcohol has been unconstitutional. Women have been unable to vote. Times change, when necessary the const changes, Supreme Court interpretations change.
 
jpgrdnr said:
My intention was to belittle his actions by proclaiming him a simple murderer as opposed to groups with historical ties to real persecution by the State or other forces. He neither belongs to any legit group or organization nor does he have any sort of rigorous ideology. Was he a man who committed an act of terror against the public to insult the State? Sure, but as a lone gunman he lacked organization. I don't believe he knew he was going to do it 6 months ago let alone why he was doing it. His political motivations are garbage. Its simply the cost of a virtually open gun market within the great old USA. It will never change. Its written into the Constitution and what the country is founded upon.
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These things are true, but why avoid calling it terrorism just because he's not part of a terrorist organization? The purpose of the attack was the instill terror and suffering upon a group of people. That is terrorism. It's a mass murder committed for the purpose of causing terror.

Sadly, it WILL be forgotten, because of how frequently this happens. But that doesn't lessen the importance of it being reported on and known, and identified for what it is. So what if his manifesto was idiotic? He did it, and he's far from the only one, there have been so many this year. Make no mistake, these are acts of domestic terrorism, trying to send the message "Mexicans get the fuck out" (in this case, it has been other groups, too).
 
jb99 said:
Probably won't change much, but not necessarily for that reason.

The Constitution has been altered, it has 27 amendments.

Slavery has been constitutional, alcohol has been unconstitutional. Women have been unable to vote. Times change, when necessary the const changes, Supreme Court interpretations change.
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Indeed, the Consititution was MEANT to be changed as new needs arose and new times arose, hence the whole process for amendment written in, and utilized quite a few times over the years.
 
Sorry if this was already posted. Certainly doesn't fit the narrative, etc.

www.yahoo.com

Texas grandma heroically foils grandson's mass shooting plot by bringing him to hospital

A Texas grandmother was hailed as a hero by federal authorities after she foiled a potential mass shooting by taking her grandson to a hospital after he allegedly made threats. William Patrick Williams, 19, was taken into custody by federal agents in Lubbock, Texas, after he told his...
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Remember the would-be mail bomber? Apparently he blamed steroids... (see article)

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www.axios.com

Cesar Sayoc sentenced to 20 years for mailing explosives to Trump critics

Sayoc's lawyers wrote that he "truly believed wild conspiracy theories he read on the Internet."
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cduggles said:
Remember the would-be mail bomber? Apparently he blamed steroids... (see article)

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www.axios.com

Cesar Sayoc sentenced to 20 years for mailing explosives to Trump critics

Sayoc's lawyers wrote that he "truly believed wild conspiracy theories he read on the Internet."
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steroids usage that may have caused him to become deranged in his support for President Trump.

I wonder if this defense will work. It's not the first time I've seen steroids being blamed for behavior.

I could of sworn a conservative Trump supporter was just using the "I'm a douchbag because of steroids" defense here not too long ago...
 
w01fg4ng said:
steroids usage that may have caused him to become deranged in his support for President Trump.

I wonder if this defense will work. It's not the first time I've seen steroids being blamed for behavior.

I could of sworn a conservative Trump supporter was just using the "I'm a douchbag because of steroids" defense here not too long ago...
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There is a MAJOR difference between being a "douchbag" and wanting to send bombs in the mail, wanting to kill people. Steroids (depending on what you take) do NOT make you become "deranged" (his words, not mine). Unless there was something else in the drug. When you take street drugs, there is ALWAYS that chance. So maybe its a possiblity?

Its a possiblity that the steroids COULD have been cut with amphetamines (to increase workout pump...several people at my gym do this). Which can cause delirium. Just throwing scenerios out there.
 
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At this point I think she has the better heart and motive to actually want to help out people like me of the 3. It doesn't line up w/ my ideologies but she has the right passion, energy, and heart. I wish I could say that about ANY OTHER CANDIDATE OTHER THAN INSLEE.
 
And when Warren says "I have a plan for that", that's pure genius. I may not agree w/ the plans but SHE HAS IDEAS. She won't stall and drag their heels through the mud for 8 years WITH NO PLANS like Repubs did on repealing ACA.

Seriously, even if i can't get behind her because of the ideology, I respect the FUCK out of her, that's what a politician is supposed to be doing.
 
She does have genius plans. Tucker Carlson said this not too long ago,

"She sounds like Donald Trump at his best"
 
OK but I don't agree with all of them and can't in good conscience vote for her, sorry, and I hope you can at least respect me for that. I definitely won't be voting for the nation traitor pumpkin of the month either.
 
novaveritas said:
White Helmet, Syrian civil defence organization which only operates in Headchopper held territory. In reality white helmets are a US and NATO funded propaganda organisation founded by an ex UK MI6 agent.
White helmets have been shown to stage events for publicity.

Since there seems to be some confusion as to who the good guys are and who the bad guys are in Syria, there are no good guys at all.

Iran does not support ISIS, ISIS was supported by the Saudis and UAE. The US encouraged ISIS in Iraq as a Sunni counterbalance to the Shia militias but it kind of got out of control and swept into Syria, which was fine by the US because ISIS was anti Assad and supposedly controllable by Saudi Arabia but then ISIS got out of control. Like the Mujahadeen which mutated into Al Qaeda

ISIS and the moderate headchoppers are interchangeable, the alliances are fluid, the west funded and armed the moderate headchoppers some who were aligned with Al Qaeda or actually were AQ, the same western supplied weapons ended up in the hands of ISIS and also AQ.
ISIS was most likely supported indirectly and perhaps directly by the CIA and MI6 as well as Mossad.

The Syrian Kurds are a wild card and are supported by Israel as a counterweight to Turkey and also by the USA who use them to control the oil and prevent the Iraqi Kurds from controlling Rojava, the likelyhood is that once again the US will abandon the Kurds. However the Kurds are more than capable of arranging a truce with Assad because there is a long standing unofficial policy of the kurds and syrian arab army not to attack each other. The Kurds will need Assad to protect them from the turks at some point in the future.

Assad and the Syrian Arab Army are supported by both Russia and Iran and secretly by China who pay the bills. The syrian arab army is the only secular as opposed to sectarian force in syria, syria has a large number of different religious flavors and secularism is the only solution. The SAA is mostly sunni despite Assad being shia alawite. Outside the western media reports it is clear the SAA have widespread support in Syria.
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My God Bluelight has someone that actually knows for once.

Though I don't agree with you 100% I cannot really cuss this post, I for one salute you Sir/Madam for this.
 
w01fg4ng said:
I wonder if this defense will work. It's not the first time I've seen steroids being blamed for behavior.
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As an aside, my good friend was on steroids for a couple of years. He was a BLer long ago, and went from a calm, peaceful dude to getting perma-banned for a bunch of hyper-aggressive stuff he was doing in the Lounge. Much later, he was living at my house and having girl problems (basically because of the aggression - they now have a baby together and are a great couple and he's well past steroid use), and I'd have to routinely talk him down from going over there and doing something he'd regret, he was convinced she was having sex with an ex boyfriend. He broke shit at my house in anger sometimes. He was unbearable to be around and would just talk in circles and was basically a fucking nutter. He got his testosterone tested and it was off he charts of what they even detect form like >1500 of whatever unit of measure they use for it. Once he got that under control, he went back to his normal, loving and peaceful self.

Not to excuse the mail bomber guy... my friend wasn't sending mail bombs, clearly most people wouldn't go there and I think it's a bullshit excuse. Just saying, messing with your hormones produces personality changes, hormones affect behavior and perceptions on very deep and instinctual/fundamental levels. It's why I think steroids as well as hormonal birth control are a bad idea.
 
To address the OPs question, banning rapid fire military grade weapons will definitely significantly reduce mass killings, if not eradicate them altogether. It's a fuckin no-brainer. Unfortunately, the majority of gun loving American citizens appear to have no brains anyway, so you're all fucked.

Of course criminals will always have access to illegal weapons. In the UK we have a rising problem with gun crime, but because of our gun laws they are very expensive and the gangs that use them prefer to go for easily concealed, easily disposed of hand guns.

What needs to be emphasised here is that the majority of mass shootings in the US are NOT carried out by criminals. They are usually highly disturbed individuals with access to LEGAL weapons.

Therefore, it stands to reason that controlling access to these weapons will obviously massively reduce this type of incident.

Furthermore, what legitimate reason could anyone have for owning these type of weapons? They're not toys, but they're being treated as if they are by the gun enthusiasts.

"Take my guns away and I'll scweem and scweem and scweem..."
 
Xorkoth said:
As an aside, my good friend was on steroids for a couple of years. He was a BLer long ago, and went from a calm, peaceful dude to getting perma-banned for a bunch of hyper-aggressive stuff he was doing in the Lounge. Much later, he was living at my house and having girl problems (basically because of the aggression - they now have a baby together and are a great couple and he's well past steroid use), and I'd have to routinely talk him down from going over there and doing something he'd regret, he was convinced she was having sex with an ex boyfriend. He broke shit at my house in anger sometimes. He was unbearable to be around and would just talk in circles and was basically a fucking nutter. He got his testosterone tested and it was off he charts of what they even detect form like >1500 of whatever unit of measure they use for it. Once he got that under control, he went back to his normal, loving and peaceful self.

Not to excuse the mail bomber guy... my friend wasn't sending mail bombs, clearly most people wouldn't go there and I think it's a bullshit excuse. Just saying, messing with your hormones produces personality changes, hormones affect behavior and perceptions on very deep and instinctual/fundamental levels. It's why I think steroids as well as hormonal birth control are a bad idea.
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Wow, I'm glad your friend is doing better. I think drug rehabilitation is a decent option for the judge to give for a reduced time (if drug issues are judged as a cause for the behavior), so I'm not so quick to call it a bullshit excuse.

You yourself admitted that because of your friends steroid use he became, "angry, unbearable and a fucking nutter." Is it really such a stretch to say that if he had continued down that path he could have become violently inclined due to his steroid use?

Drug abuse is a mental health issue. If everyone had access to proper medicare we could approach some of these issues without banning all guns.

We could also just ban guns that make no sense to have, such as assault rifles.

Lots of options, really. None of them are happening anytime soon, unfortunately.

This is America.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
To address the OPs question, banning rapid fire military grade weapons will definitely significantly reduce mass killings, if not eradicate them altogether. It's a fuckin no-brainer. Unfortunately, the majority of gun loving American citizens appear to have no brains anyway, so you're all fucked.

Of course criminals will always have access to illegal weapons. In the UK we have a rising problem with gun crime, but because of our gun laws they are very expensive and the gangs that use them prefer to go for easily concealed, easily disposed of hand guns.

What needs to be emphasised here is that the majority of mass shootings in the US are NOT carried out by criminals. They are usually highly disturbed individuals with access to LEGAL weapons.

Therefore, it stands to reason that controlling access to these weapons will obviously massively reduce this type of incident.

Furthermore, what legitimate reason could anyone have for owning these type of weapons? They're not toys, but they're being treated as if they are by the gun enthusiasts.

"Take my guns away and I'll scweem and scweem and scweem..."
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I haven't seen a comment that couldnt be more incorrect LOL.

1. First of all... handguns are the most commonly used weapon type used in mass shootings. NOT "military-grade weapons" (which I'm assuming you mean the AR-15). Thats a statistical fact. A lot of weapons are banned or extremely regulated already in several parts of the United States, but people seem to be getting killed by them ALL THE TIME. (making your statement already incorrect) Soooo banning them (or having heavy regulations placed upon them), doesn't do a single thing. People are still dying... A LOT. (I know, I deal with this almost every time I go into work)

2. The second you plan to do a mass shooting, that makes you a criminal. You are PLANNING on preforming a terrorist act (which is illegal in itself...making you a criminal)

3. If someone wants to commit this type of act and they DONT have access to legal weapons (for whatever reason) ... logic dictates that they will get the weapon by other means. Ie. stealing or purchasing illegally. OR they will use something else. A dead person is still a dead person. Doesn't matter how they got that way.

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