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How should gender or sex be defined?

alasdairm said:
it's not intended to be a way out - just an invitation to consider the issue from another perspective.

i am learning that there is a correlation between political leaning and empathy and compassion.

alasdair
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Well, truth is the strong correlation is with the trait openness to experience and not with agreeableness that will translate in empathy and compassion. You can check it out if you don't believe me.
 
^How do you feel if a dude, say, holds a door open for you or some other similar gesture?

I hope I am not deeply offending any feminists, but I would find myself generally doing that. I know, I am a fucking pig. :|
 
All I want is equal pay and no one trying to grope me against my will at work (well, anywhere actually).

However, women have to deal with things men don't automatically.

swilow as a Southern belle (sorta), I love chivalry.

I can make a more complicated argument, but it's that simple for me. Here, carry this bag too, please? :D
 
^ idk, all i know is a woman (not transgender) took a swinging slap at me for it one time. small gesture, good intention, big pain for the pay off. mom would've been proud.

HAHA, true, true. male feminists are just as nutty. (lmao at the manspread comment zeph)

@cduggles: haha, wouldn't be the first time holding a ladies bag. the looks i get in public are priceless. when the woman isn't around and people are staring i just tell them i left the matching pumps at home.

@swilow: as a fellow f**king pig i relate. i'm also too respectful as if a feminist says not to act or talk towards her in a particular way then i respond in kind by over riding my respect protocols with her in that manner, i think it's part of showing her the respect. even though on the inside i really want to do the opposite of what she wants. i can't help it, it's part of who i am but i also want to be respectful. catch 22 of my life right ther.
 
zephyr said:
Oh well the OP isnt here anymore, no point in thread anymore .

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Wasnt really one in the first place. Other than to rile people up. "How should gender or sex be defined" is kinda begging the question, since it assumes there is something wrong or invalid about how those words are already defined .
 
zephyr said:
Oh well the OP isnt here anymore, no point in thread anymore .

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Unfortunately (that's how I feel anyway) the OP outed himself as a perma-banned former member. He even made a thread about it, expecting to be banned. I enjoyed that former member's contributions as well as Ant's (generally), but there were reasons for the ban too that had nothing to do with differing political views.
 
Doing whats right on paper and whats best are not always the same thing mate.

Theres nothing anyone can do about bl and its future when the system is more important than the people.

Guido is a classic example of someone forgiven, TALLY was the person people fought to save so hard the temp bans were introduced (I think), so when traffic dies out and you wonder why, you'll have this system still there to keep u warm at night.

/shuts door.
 
zephyr said:
Doing whats right on paper and whats best are not always the same thing mate.

Theres nothing anyone can do about bl and its future when the system is more important than the people.

Guido is a classic example of someone forgiven, TALLY was the person people fought to save so hard the temp bans were introduced (I think), so when traffic dies out and you wonder why, you'll have this system still there to keep u warm at night.

/shuts door.
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how about try being appreciative of the time Xorkoth and others put into this site instead of being so damn critical all the time? Maybe the end of BL will be when the people running it get tired of being bitched at from all sides 24/7...
 
i'm not bitchin at any mods or admins. though i'm a lil curious and confused by what Shadowmeister said about ANT and his alt account posts. i've never read the latter but if they're like the former i guess i'm not seeing something.

zeph's been going off about this for awhile and i have no problem with it, a voice among the masses. but i'm curious as to what happened right before all this went down (right before i joined). how could the changing of a tide be so forceful and leave such a bad taste in so many mouths. from old posts (and TL that didn't get canned) seems like good peeps, just like today. different flow but still good peoples.

i like to keep in mind i'm only a member and a lesser one at that so i do my best to not drive this place off a cliff. i'm also very appreciative you all have tolerated me as long as you have.

i see this come up from time to time and i wonder if things can't change and yet still stay the same. i'm reminded in today's world that when things change with large groups of people, it's a sweeping of the board type thing. in society traditions and values get tossed out with the bathwater. life's a beach and then you die i guess.
 
tathra said:
if you want to see truly cultured hentai, you should check out Bible Black and Ail Maniax ~Inma Seifukugari & Majogari no Yoru ni~



Political Orientations Are Correlated with Brain Structure in Young Adults
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Haha I saw Bible Black a long time ago and I remember seeing this scene and just thinking WTF? :?

NSFW:
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In theory sex is the biological side and gender is the sociocultural. In practice gender is used by leftist ideologies to follow an agenda, to an extent that the construct gender is dispossesed of the scientific credibility it should have if we left politics out of it. The correlation between biological sex and gender identity is so big that gender/sex divergence could be considered anomalies more than new categories. And no, that not means we shouldn't respect everyone's choices and treat them equally, but cromosomes based theories are better to understand reality than subjective feelings.
My opinions are not based in politics if not in my knowledge of Diferential Psychology, you can see the strong change in the narratives in the late books compared with the not so old ones. A bit embarrasing the new identitarian left trains of thought if you ask me. They give you the data and play with it until their assumptions fit, and they never do. Just catch a manual of your choice from a decade and 2 decades ago and read with an open mind the gender/sex chapter. You don't have to believe me.
 
You can't confuse socially constructed behaviors with one's actual gender/sex. They are two totally different things. Some men act in ways that are socially considered more feminine, and some women act in ways that are socially considered more masculine. This is something that has always been the case. That's all that the whole thing with people self-identifying as gender "non-binary" isn't really any different than that.

There aren't really more than two genders/sexes. If someone is comfortable with their physical gender/sex and doesn't change it, then they are whatever they are born as. If someone is transgender and transitions from male to female, then they are transitioning from one gender to the other while retaining certain biological aspects of the gender they were born as.

Now, with regard to intersex people, sometimes the person does still fall into one category or the other as the traits of the one gender/sex very strongly outweigh the other. Although, there are cases where people who are born intersex truly do fall outside of the box. So, while the overall human species has two genders/sexes, there are individuals who fall outside the categories due to a medical condition.
 
^ it's difficult to explain why gender constructs can vary considerably across time and culture if it's such a set thing.

Intersex humans are rare, but most likely less rare than reported.

How common is intersex?
To answer this question in an uncontroversial way, you’d have to first get everyone to agree on what counts as intersex? - and also to agree on what should count as strictly male or strictly female. That?s hard to do. How small does a penis have to be before it counts as intersex? Do you count ?sex chromosome? anomalies as intersex if there?s no apparent external sexual ambiguity?1 (Alice Dreger explores this question in greater depth in her book Hermaphrodites and the Medical Invention of Sex.)

Here?s what we do know: If you ask experts at medical centers how often a child is born so noticeably atypical in terms of genitalia that a specialist in sex differentiation is called in, the number comes out to about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births. But a lot more people than that are born with subtler forms of sex anatomy variations, some of which won?t show up until later in life.

Below we provide a summary of statistics drawn from an article by Brown University researcher Anne Fausto-Sterling.2 The basis for that article was an extensive review of the medical literature from 1955 to 1998 aimed at producing numeric estimates for the frequency of sex variations. Note that the frequency of some of these conditions, such as congenital adrenal hyperplasia, differs for different populations. These statistics are approximations.

Not XX and not XY: one in 1,666 births
Klinefelter (XXY): one in 1,000 births
Androgen insensitivity syndrome: one in 13,000 births
Partial androgen insensitivity syndrome: one in 130,000 births
Classical congenital adrenal hyperplasia: one in 13,000 births
Late onset adrenal hyperplasia: one in 66 individuals
Vaginal agenesis: one in 6,000 births
Ovotestes: one in 83,000 births
Idiopathic (no discernable medical cause): one in 110,000 births
Iatrogenic (caused by medical treatment, for instance progestin administered to pregnant mother): no estimate
5 alpha reductase deficiency: no estimate
Mixed gonadal dysgenesis: no estimate
Complete gonadal dysgenesis: one in 150,000 births
Hypospadias (urethral opening in perineum or along penile shaft): one in 2,000 births
Hypospadias (urethral opening between corona and tip of glans penis): one in 770 births
Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female: one in 100 births
Total number of people receiving surgery to ?normalize? genital appearance: one or two in 1,000 births

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(See article for even worse data rendering. Yes I cut and pasted and checked it. Huge pain. :| :sus:)
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@LandsUnknown: i'm having a hard time finding supportive evidence to state that hermaphrodites rarely have both sex organs functioning, usually by puberty one becomes the dominant and the other remains dormant. however, since we are kinda splitting hairs (in this case i prefer to think of it as getting in depth in detail to a level that most people aren't comfortable with), it has been heard of that on very rare occasions throughout history that some retain both sexual reproductive organs and they do function perfectly.

if this were true it would then lead to another type of sexuality all together being possible later in evolution. true Asexual Reproduction. so technically that would be a forth one human beings are capable of. (impregnating yourself though would be akin to incest and not sure how that worked, hence the evolution part. we need a bit of changing DNA wise to get there.)

@cduggles: take a break, you earned it. thank you for your effort and results. :) ( i can smell your fingers smoldering from here)
 
As I recall, human hermaphrodites don't actually exist. Human sex is a spectrum, between male and female. Most are strictly on one side or the other, whereas a minority fall somewhere in between. But nobody is really both. Not in the biological sense anyway. And so nobody has working sex organs of both sexes.

Which is what you'd expect given that humans develop as female until the SRY gene triggers testosterone production causing the fetus to be masculinized. So, there's no point in development where something could go wrong resulting in functioning sex organs of both sexes, because sex differentiation works by turning one into the other.
 
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