Opioids Ultimate Poppy Pod/Seed Tea Mega Merged Thread IV

[Aussie_Kiss]

My concern is overdose. Mixing opiates and alcohol is going to substantially increased your chance of overdose. Consuming PST is already extremely dangerous because it takes a long time to reach peak effects and potency is wildly variable. Adding alcohol (also of a potentially unknown ABV) would make it extremely extremely dangerous.

I don't hear much on the negative side of PST with regards to safety. That is really what I am focused on. Trying to find a way that people can enjoy it more than currently as a large liquid volume that by all reports is very unpleasant. Beer is bitter due to hops, I was just hoping to change out one with another, and bring in the relaxing benefits of the opium alkaloids. I appreciate your feedback Slow Mobius and will definately not rush into this. on a positive note, you mentioned potentially unknown ABV. fortunately I can measure that with a hydrometer during the brewing process.

 

[Pickledlemons]

Can you save the liquid if you dont drink the entire thing? How long before it goes totally bad if I save the juice in the fridge/freezer?

And when you almost OD'd did you drink the entire cup?

A while... just make sure you separate it from the seeds. If you dont the seeds will open up the milky stuff inside will come out and it will ruin the batch ( and there's no morphine inside the seeds) . Dont leave the seeds in with the water for more than an hour.

 

[SynthManiac]

Question about Pods.

I realize the thread is pertains to PST, but it seemed appropriate to as a question regarding them here.

I was wondering if anyone with experience could make a suggestion or two regarding my situation. I got a boatload of pods for cheap. They are huge and P. Som 100 percent. I started with 7g, steeped in hot water and strained three times. It came out VERY dark brown, and bitter. Tasted a lot like a burnt kind of green tea. My eyes got pinned and I felt a sedated feel most of the day. It was nowhere near the energetic euphoria of PST. I waited a few days and tried a 16g dose. Again, I felt more of a sedated, heavy feeling with a hazy cloud feeling but not that beautiful opiate buzz.

I realize the pods may be weak, the dose may be rather small for someone with a moderate/low tolerance, any ideas on how to move forward with getting that good buzz? I did not itch or nod, again there was a lazy, heavy feel which hit about two hours after and lasted all day. I wouldn?t consider it all that enjoyable.

I?ve read people taking 10 g and getting floored, and people taking 30 - 40 g. I realize the variance is large, and I know these are from India but have been dried for a very long time. I imagine at least 3 years. They are indeed beautiful and it is beautiful to see a sea of pods, it just seems the magic some describe is not applying to these. Also, the seeds inside are very light grey. All of them. No blues or blacks. The pods are brittle as hell.

Thanks for any feedback.

 

[MDPV_Psychosis]

I think these days it's said that a lot of pods are of crappy quality. It's not like it used to be where it was easy to find good quality pods at affordable prices.

The pods you are working with could be crappy. Perhaps they are heavy in undesirable alkaloids and low in desirable ones. Perhaps you just don't respond well to them for whatever reason. Speculation is kinda pointless really.

Maybe this is a good thing? Poppy pod addiction sucks bad. Withdrawals are horrible. Speaking from experience.

 

[SynthManiac]

All good points. I was around in the 90s for all of that and yeah it was much different. I guess it is kind of a crap shoot on why they aren?t delivering. I tend to respond rather well to alkaloids, this is more sedating than anything. The euphoria just isn?t there.

I?d like to post a picture if possible. Black spots and classic look. It?s interesting there is so many variables in the pods makeup. It?s too bad a great looking one could be shitty for M and C content. I may try a larger dose but am not holding out hope. I had hopes for these, bud sadly you are correct the hey days are gone. This could be a good thing.

 

[SynthManiac]

And I imagine the WDs are miserable. I?ve dealt with H and Tramadol, also PST (that sucked) But I have to say Tramadol of all things seemed the worst. It really changes your dopamine receptors and takes several months to feel normal. The runny nose, chills were present but the underlying SNRI related depression sucked and left this vacant, hollow feeling. With PST it was only after a 3 month affair. I tend to stop before I get too deep in something and ride out the WD. Those were tough, but subsided after 5 days or so. Pods seemed too good to be true, and evidently they are.

 

[SynthManiac]

Is there any way to test the veritable alkaloid content/profile of these apart from grinding and dosing?

Any suggestions for netting some use from them?

I appreciate the feedback.

 

[Scrofula]

There's more than a few alkaloids (assuming it's not all dust or varnish for their intended decorative arrangement) so it'd be pretty hard to know without serious lab equipment.

I suppose this isn't the place to discuss doing an extraction of, y'know alkaloids, like some common ethnobotanical. That's for hippies.

 

[GetMeOutOfThisCRAP]

Hypothetically even with the strongest batch could 1/8th of a pound (50grams) be too much for someone with zero tolerance?

Estimation of how much does the content really differ in terms of strength from worst batches to best? The legality of pods cannot be discussed here but I don't understand how people are still able to order them online without raising any eyebrows.

 

[SynthManiac]

Those are interesting questions, hypothetical sure. I would imagine someone with zero tolerance would not fare well with a strong batch of 50g. Everyone?s biochemistry is different and reactions to substances are varied. I was hoping someone with experience and knowledge would impart some advice pertaining to strength. I should have scrolled back more, as several members discussed their experience pertaining to pods years back. I do not get where discussing online ordering comes into play, it does not pertain to my situation. I would be surprised if anyone was doing that on the clear net. This thread seemed like a good place to ask a couple of questions.

 

[GetMeOutOfThisCRAP]

My plan is to try for 1/8th of the bag.. sip it slow and see how effects are before consuming more.

 

[MarginalProphet]

You should be fine with 1/8 lb. My very rough and completely unscientific estimate, based on nothing, is that it's roughly equivalent to 10mg morphine -- a threshold dose. You can feel safe to just down that amount. I remember in the very early days of my PST drinking, that much would make me slightly nauseated, and I wasn't used to the taste yet either, but it wasn't ever close to being too much. Let us know how it works out.

 

[MarginalProphet]

@Aussie_Kiss: Respectfully, and I say this as an avid and fairly advanced home-brewer myself, I think adding yeast and sugar to PST wash and trying to ferment it is an awful idea. It violates all of the german purity laws, for one thing But more importantly, I think it's going to taste horrible, if the yeasties even have enough nutrients to ferment it down. My guess is they will start on the sugar but, unable to reproduce without the trace minerals and other nutrients found in wort, they won't last long enough to fully attenuate. And if they do, well, fermented sugar water is pretty nasty. If you're going to try this, I'd at least try it with malt extract, and make a standard batch except do a PST infusion instead of adding carapils or other flavored malts as the water is coming up to temp.

It's an interesting idea for sure. I have half a mind to try it myself -- kind of a modern-day laudanum -- but if I ever try it, I'll do as above and make a batch of real beer, and also I'll use fresh pods from the garden vs a bag of seeds.

 

[MarginalProphet]

Incidentally, I've experimented with dry-hopping marijuana to make a THC brew, and that definitely works. But this is a whole different beast!

 

[SynthManiac]

I would be interested to read a thread on that process! It seems the majority of seeds these days contain substantially less alkaloids than in years past. I am surprised the big three are still shipping the way they do. There were 6,000 orders within a period of ten days to one company. It?s not sustainable and only a mater of time when it?s all discontinued to supply users. On another note I made a killer lemon poppy cake the other day. My mom is Hungarian and had a great recipe.

 

[tacodude]

Edit out the supplier term

 

[Aussie_Kiss]

So,
made my first Poppy seed tea last night. 100gm packet from the supermarket - nothing organic/special - just plain old spice-rack grade. washed with 500ml of hot water, (shook for 5 mins) while shaking, I brewed a normal teabag in 10ml of water. after 5 mins, strained the poppy seeds and combined the two with a dash of milk and sugar. made two cups of tea.
worked perfectly as both an analgesic and a sedative! Great with a couple of scotch-finger biscuits (feel free to substitute with your own Arnotts Favorite!)
the flavor was fine;and quantity was perfect.. I have an opiate tolerance due to using oxycodone almost daily and this was still good enough for me!
I wouldn't even bother with a higher quantity of seeds or a third cup. That being said, in the interests of science, I will be trying other methods - perhaps an iced-tea.
variables I'm working with:
1) product (Purchasing a large batch for product control while trying the various methods/quantities)
2) quantity (both Qty of seeds and also the various ratios of water/seeds when extracting)
3) extraction methods (initially will be a mix and serve with all the liquid consumed, I will move to evaporation reduction, re-crystallization and a/b extraction in the coming weeks)

watch this space for updates!

 

[Pickledlemons]

I didn't realize how little you can use. I always used a kilo or two. No wonder it worked so well.

Please note I am not recommend anybody use that many.

 

[Aussie_Kiss]

@Aussie_Kiss: Respectfully, and I say this as an avid and fairly advanced home-brewer myself, I think adding yeast and sugar to PST wash and trying to ferment it is an awful idea. It violates all of the german purity laws, for one thing But more importantly, I think it's going to taste horrible, if the yeasties even have enough nutrients to ferment it down. My guess is they will start on the sugar but, unable to reproduce without the trace minerals and other nutrients found in wort, they won't last long enough to fully attenuate. And if they do, well, fermented sugar water is pretty nasty. If you're going to try this, I'd at least try it with malt extract, and make a standard batch except do a PST infusion instead of adding carapils or other flavored malts as the water is coming up to temp.

It's an interesting idea for sure. I have half a mind to try it myself -- kind of a modern-day laudanum -- but if I ever try it, I'll do as above and make a batch of real beer, and also I'll use fresh pods from the garden vs a bag of seeds.

German purity laws.... forget Reinheitsgebot, what are the moonshine laws?
Isn't fermented sugar water known famously as 'mead'
I am definitely working towards it being a PST infusion, more like Kombucha, but I want the beer to work, purely from a science perspective - get the process working first,(controlling PH levels will be the issue here, I could reduce the PST and introduce it into the wort, which should work - but I am trying to bypass that step. This will no-doubt be a time-consuming test, but the fact you are half-way inclined to give it a try means I'm on the right path.
here is a similar product;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8CFhaoi11Y

 

[Scrofula]

Do you mean to add poppy seeds as an adjuvant? Because I don't see any source of sugars in the tea. Yeast need to eat. They can't use starch, either. Or cellulose (their shells are made of chitin).

Even if you added poppy seeds to a working barley recipe, I wouldn't be surprised if the yeast don't just decide to metabolize your morphine. Maybe into something delicious and fruity-aroma'd, but no longer psychoactive. Except for the alcohol anyway.