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The SEX ALLEGATIONS Megathread

Its a continuum of poor behavior ranging from lewd to outright criminal. I think that is what's connecting all these allegations.
 
Steven Seagal accused of harassment by Portia De Rossi

Incident, which saw the actor allegedly ‘unzip his trousers’ during an audition in his office, follows similar claims of misconduct made by three other women

Portia De Rossi has accused actor and producer Steven Seagal of sexually harassing her during an audition for one of his films.

The allegations, which were shared by the Arrested Development actor on Twitter, follows similar claims of misconduct made against Seagal by three other women.

“My final audition for a Steven Segal [sic] movie took place in his office,” De Rossi wrote. “He told me how important it was to have chemistry off-screen as he sat me down and unzipped his leather pants.”

“I ran out and called my agent. Unfazed, she replied, ‘Well, I didn’t know if he was your type,’” she added.

The Guardian has contacted Seagal’s representatives for comment on De Rossi’s claims.
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Read here:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/nov/09/steven-seagal-accused-of-harassment-by-portia-de-rossi
 
Scrofula said:
This thread already listed legal def. of rape, consent and coercion.

And you can't reduce these girls' stories down to "kiss and blush and run away" without including the huge power imbalance. That power pushes what might otherwise be sexual assault or harassment into legal "real" rape.

All four of your scenarios could rise to US federal rape charges, depending on the crucial details you've left out.

And why this is such an awful attitude: suggesting there's a thing called "real rape" implies there's a "fake rape". So when someone brings allegations, you can scrutinize HER instead, and ponder if it was "real rape" or "fake rape".

What other criteria do you have? Does a woman have to scream at a certain pitch or decibel to count? One kick at the crotch, or does it take two? Do we have to see scratch marks on his back or if not, clearly she didn't struggle hard enough, the slut must've wanted it?
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I think that there are cases where a woman has falsely accused a man of rape. There was a bunch of false accusations against black men during times when society considered it unacceptable for a white woman to have sex with a black man. There has been men freed from prison where DNA tests showed that they weren't the rapist and a woman picked the wrong guy out of a line up. I also believe that there's fucked up women out there that for revenge or from being jilted or even to protect their reputation would make a false claim against a man. I understand we should never blame the victim. I also believe that the vast majority of the time these women are telling the truth and have suffered, unfairly a great injustice. That being said, yes I do believe in the history of human beings there has been times where a rape did not occur and a man was wrongly accused. Although my personal experience is no one has ever accused me of rape ( probably because I'm not a rapist ) nor do I know anyone who was falsely accused of rape, so I understand it's rare ... but not non existent.

I also don't call women sluts or think they deserve to be mistreated.

I do think it's fair to ask for a definition of rape and to say it's not the same as sexual assault or lewd behavior or sexual harassment or even I just don't like you and you came on to me. I think Harvey by the way is guilty of all of these and rape. The criteria for me would be there isn't another term that clearly defines a different type of behavior. I never used words like fake rape, I never stated a scenario where some one blushed and ran away because that's not the way I feel.

I have many women in my life that I love, but my mom is an obvious one so I'll use her for an example.

If a man exposed himself to my mom, I wouldn't say my Mom got raped.
If a man tried to kiss my mom and she pushed him away ( or even if he gets the kiss in, but didn't get any further), I wouldn't say my Mom got raped.
If her boss at work fired her for not sleeping with him , I wouldn't say my Mom got raped.
I think you get the idea.
I would be very angry at any of those scenarios but I would not call them rape.

The point I was trying to make is a lot of the headline stories in the Weinstein case aren't rape stories. They are stories of bad behavior and most of them are definitely criminal. The sad thing is that rather than featuring the worst of his actions the press is putting the accusations in the order of which accusers are the biggest celebrities. I believe this waters down the case against him in the public eye and has quieted the voices of women who have endured worse just because they weren't in a blockbuster film.It's just surprising to me that the focus is in the wrong place. It shouldn't be on who was the biggest celebrity it should be on who Harvey hurt the most.
 
I don't want to bring your mom into this. I understand your point that not every allegation against this guy is "rape". And maybe some of the allegations don't fit the legal definition of rape. But you are ignoring the enormous power difference involved. In your scenario:

A man exposes himself. Well, if you're his subordinate, alone in his office, and you know he's extremely rich and has hired goons who search for accusers and nosy reporters (this was recently revealed about Weinstein) and he could blacklist you from ever working in the industry again, and it's understood you need to suck his cock, and out of fear you do, then under US Federal Law HE HAS COMMITTED RAPE.

If you get fired later, for not having sex with your boss, you leave out the part where he confronts you. Else, how do you know that was the reason? At some point he harassed you and demanded sex. That confrontation could rise to sexual assault or even rape depending on the details.

Are there cases where the guy just slaps your ass in public, and that's not rape? Yes, you're right, that's not rape. But otherwise I don't know what your point is, other than spreading doubts. The enormous power difference is what makes this a special case in a lot of ways, and legally that power difference is as good as physical force.

10 U.S. Code § 920 - Art. 120:
Rape includes:
(1) using unlawful force against that other person;
(2) using force causing or likely to cause death or grievous bodily harm to any person;
(3) threatening or placing that other person in fear that any person will be subjected to death, grievous bodily harm, or kidnapping;

And threatening means: (7)The term “threatening or placing that other person in fear” means a communication or action that is of sufficient consequence to cause a reasonable fear that non-compliance will result in the victim or another person being subjected to the wrongful action contemplated by the communication or action.

Number 7 is where Weinstein gets in trouble. Obviously the details would be determined in court.
Thanks to AloeOne for the link.
 
the louis ck stuff makes me suspicious of harvey weinstein, i cant really see taking your dick out to be a thing...its not a trend. Also, in what universe does taking your dick out make sense? is there alcohol involved?
 
After seeing Kevin Spacey being digitally removed from a film he was due to appear in and House of Cards being cancelled, the BBC is now going the same route. Is it the right approach to remove actors or shelve entire shows/films they're in as a result of recent allegations?


Ed Westwick: BBC shelves drama after rape allegations against actor

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A BBC drama has been taken out of the Christmas schedule after Ed Westwick, one of its stars, was accused of rape.

Agatha Christie's Ordeal by Innocence, which was due to be on BBC One, will not be broadcast "until these matters are resolved", the BBC said.

And the former Gossip Girl star has "paused" filming on the second series of BBC Two comedy White Gold.

Westwick has vehemently denied the allegations, which have been made by two women.

One of the accusers has made a complaint of sexual assault to the Los Angeles Police Department.
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Read more here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41941904
 
CFC said:
After seeing Kevin Spacey being digitally removed from a film he was due to appear in and House of Cards being cancelled, the BBC is now going the same route. Is it the right approach to remove actors or shelve entire shows/films they're in as a result of recent allegations?




Read more here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-41941904
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I have mixed feelings and this and the Kevin Spacey thing. On the one hand, it's great to see increased recognition and actual consequences for sexual assault/rape (since there are basically little to no legal consequences that usually happen). However, this just seems like a different version of 'guilty until proven innocent', which does not sit with me well. It certainly doesn't seem acceptable to whole-heartedly dismiss all allegations as lies, so why is it acceptable to whole-heartedly believe ALL allegations?

I suspect that the larger driving force behind these actions, rather than seeing some form of justice done to the perpetrators, is simply companies trying to protect their image, and most importantly, their bottom line. If the companies believed that they could continue working with these people and it wouldn't hurt revenue, I absolutely believe that they would wait until more evidence comes along before doing anything. That they would put out a statement about 'the integrity of the American Justice System' and then continue making movies with this person. Their desire to so immediately distance themselves speaks to the rapid shift in public perception and opinion about people like Harvey Weinstein. Sadly, I suspect that the increased focus and attention on sexual crimes will not last long enough to make much permanent changes in the way we charge and sentence sexual offenders.
 
Why is that funny?

You seem to be resentful of the victims here. Have you thought about why that might be?

Also, do you have a link, or are we just taking your word for it?
 
I stopped copying at 20k characters.

Why do conspiracy theorists believe the Clintons, who are the most exhaustively investigated politicians of all time have a kill squad, but wealthy and powerful people who can put people in movies and more are incapable of intimidating people?

Harvey Weinstein’s Army of Spies

By Ronan Farrow
November 6, 2017

The film executive hired private investigators, including ex-Mossad agents, to track actresses and journalists.

In the fall of 2016, Harvey Weinstein set out to suppress allegations that he had sexually harassed or assaulted numerous women. He began to hire private security agencies to collect information on the women and the journalists trying to expose the allegations. According to dozens of pages of documents, and seven people directly involved in the effort, the firms that Weinstein hired included Kroll, which is one of the world’s largest corporate-intelligence companies, and Black Cube, an enterprise run largely by former officers of Mossad and other Israeli intelligence agencies. Black Cube, which has branches in Tel Aviv, London, and Paris, offers its clients the skills of operatives “highly experienced and trained in Israel’s elite military and governmental intelligence units,” according to its literature.

In the fall of 2016, Harvey Weinstein set out to suppress allegations that he had sexually harassed or assaulted numerous women. He began to hire private security agencies to collect information on the women and the journalists trying to expose the allegations. According to dozens of pages of documents, and seven people directly involved in the effort, the firms that Weinstein hired included Kroll, which is one of the world’s largest corporate-intelligence companies, and Black Cube, an enterprise run largely by former officers of Mossad and other Israeli intelligence agencies. Black Cube, which has branches in Tel Aviv, London, and Paris, offers its clients the skills of operatives “highly experienced and trained in Israel’s elite military and governmental intelligence units,” according to its literature.
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spacejunk said:
Why is that funny?

You seem to be resentful of the victims here. Have you thought about why that might be?

Also, do you have a link, or are we just taking your word for it?
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its funny because she is saying weinstein hired people to frame her instead of just admitting it was her coke

I'm resentful of some of them because more than one of them continued to put themselves in a room alone with harvey to get raped a 2nd or 3rd time so that they could get more acting parts. Don't complain about it 15 years later then.
 
Well, i hope for your sake that you never experience rape or sexual assault.
It fucks with your head more than you'd ever know.

People don't get raped to "get more acting roles".
Nobody submits to rape.
Nobody chooses to be raped. You can't blame a rapist's actions on the victims - rape is always thr fault of the person doing the raping. There is no grey area, no middle ground
 
Kevin Spacey: Old Vic receives 20 claims of inappropriate behaviour

London theatre says ‘cult of personality’ around Spacey during time as artistic director stopped people from speaking out

The Old Vic says it has received 20 personal testimonies of inappropriate behaviour by Kevin Spacey during his time as artistic director.

An investigation opened by the London theatre, following allegations the actor had sexually assaulted young men while working there, led to 20 people coming forward to report incidents of inappropriate behaviour up to 2013.

The Old Vic said a “cult of personality” had existed around Spacey during his time as director and that his stardom and status had prevented people, particularly junior staff and young actors, from speaking out.

The theatre said in a statement: “Despite having the appropriate escalation processes in place, it was claimed that those affected felt unable to raise concerns and that Kevin Spacey operated without sufficient accountability.

“This is clearly unacceptable and the Old Vic truly apologises for not creating an environment or culture where people felt able to speak freely.”

Nick Clarry, the chairman of the Old Vic, apologised to “all those people who felt unable to speak up at the time”.

He added: “Inappropriate behaviour by anyone working at the Old Vic is completely unacceptable. We will foster a safe and supportive environment without prejudice, harassment or bullying of any sort, at any level.”

The testimony collected by the Old Vic showed that, in all but one case, individuals allegedly subject to Spacey’s advances had not come forward to make a complaint. The majority of the incidents – all but two – occurred before 2009. Spacey worked at the theatre from 2004 until 2015.
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