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Vegas Mandalay Bay mass shooting / Gun Control 2017 Thread

swilow said:
Its a red herring. It has no bearing on the fact we are discussing gun massacres.

Sure, people kill people with all sorts of things. How does this relate to guns? It is demonstrable that proliferate and liberal gun laws are causally related to mass shootings. Can you refute that?



Why?

What about hand grenades, or landmines?



Why?
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Because in a free society where almost everyone is allowed to own guns, it's virtually impossible to prevent these types of shootings
 
Scrofula said:
Says the man who claims Canada and the Netherlands as home.

Then you'll say there's "high" rates of gun ownership in Canada, to which I won't bother to look up that they're rifles, not handguns, etc., cf. Sweden, Waterfall, Escher, supra. It's easy to make your claims from a safe place. I think the stats were that an American male 18-55 or so, was 70 times more likely to die from firearms than the same demo across the G-8.
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I own an AK-47 clone myself. I feel much safer owning a weapon at home
 
Fresco, I agree its impossible to prevent these things. How about we fucking reduce the number, and the body count then?

My point is I bet you feel safe out in public too, without that thing. You use it for home defense then, to shoot around corners? Or do you fire through the walls and at your neighbor?

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The Texas Clock Tower guy had told more than a few people something was breaking inside his brain, and to check it at autopsy. He also showed up agitated one night at a professors house, only to sit down at his piano and play fuckin Clair de Lune.


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JessR said:
Obviously the firearm industry itself is self serving. They are a for profit industry, their motive is money. The complexity is in the millions of ordinary Americans who honestly and legitimately don't agree that the kind of gun control being proposed isn't the right thing to do
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Yes, the firearm industry and their lobbyists are in it for the money. We totally agree.

And I'll let you get away with saying I don't talk about the complexities of their "side" and then refuse to even describe it yourself. But maybe you could tell us what "kind" of gun control is being proposed here, and how these ordinary Americans legitimately disagree?

And health care is something everyone needs; people argue over how to pay for it. The gun lobby is more like cigarette marketing. No one needs it. I smoke anyway.

OK, and then I'm wondering why I can discuss the motives of these guys, something we can never know, but not the policies that let him do it? You know, the only part we can change?
 
What about a ban on assault rifles, automatic weapons or weapons over a certain calibre?

Maybe only allow one firearm per person like 1 x 9mm after an extensive psychological assessment that is to be done every 12 months and if the person fails to do said test the firearm and licence is taken away?
 
BehindtheShadow said:
What about a ban on assault rifles, automatic weapons or weapons over a certain calibre?
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Machine-guns I agree with you on, those should be banned and made illegal. Banning assault rifles wont be easy because there are some hunting rifles which are just as powerful (if not more so) then assault rifles. The phrase assault rifle is just a fancy term for a high-calibre rifle.

And if you ban high-calibre rifles hunters wont be able to hunt anymore, because you cannot legally hunt deer, bear, elk.....etc with a .22 calibre rifle. That would mean you'd get a massive increase in the deer population, and that in turn would create 10-fold more deadly traffic accidents. In case you didnt know, the common deer is the number one cause of animal traffic fatalities in North-America
 
Fresco said:
Machine-guns I agree with you on, those should be banned and made illegal. Banning assault rifles wont be easy because there are some hunting rifles which are just as powerful (if not more so) then assault rifles. The phrase assault rifle is just a fancy term for a high-calibre rifle.

And if you ban high-calibre rifles hunters wont be able to hunt anymore, because you cannot legally hunt deer, bear, elk.....etc with a .22 calibre rifle. That would mean you'd get a massive increase in the deer population, and that in turn would create 10-fold more deadly traffic accidents. In case you didnt know, the common deer is the number one cause of animal traffic fatalities in North-America
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Yes I am aware of this fact but it was a solution - it may be small but its a start.

When it comes to hunting maybe there can be special dispensation for those kind of weapons but based on an actual need to have that weapon and not a want to have that weapon because the person who holds that weapon wants high calibre firearms for the sake of having them.
 
BehindtheShadow said:
Yes I am aware of this fact but it was a solution - it may be small but its a start.

When it comes to hunting maybe there can be special dispensation for those kind of weapons but based on an actual need to have that weapon and not a want to have that weapon because the person who holds that weapon wants high calibre firearms for the sake of having them
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There is also the 2nd amendment issue which says almost everyone can legally own a rifle or a gun. And that amendment would be extremely difficult to overturn, because you need 2/3 majority of Congressional votes, which would then have to be approved by 3/4 of US States.

No fucking way thats ever going to happen, because the redneck States would never go along with that
 
I don't know your legislature because I live in a different county but it was just a thought.

And never say never, if things get bad enough you might find that attitudes might change.

PS its not as if this world isn't fucked up enough as it is!
 
No he's right it'll never happen. Which is why nobody has even tried to attempt it. When they try to put in gun control they just ignore or hope for reinterpretation of the second amendment.

Actually changing it would require such a radical change in the American cultural landscape as to be unthinkable. Sure, never say never, but we're talking unthinkable as in "the people rising up with one voice to demand Paris Hilton be made queen of the new kingdom of the United States" kind of unthinkable. Not gonna happen.
 
JessFR said:
Actually changing it would require such a radical change in the American cultural landscape as to be unthinkable. Sure, never say never, but we're talking unthinkable as in "the people rising up with one voice to demand Paris Hilton be made queen of the new kingdom of the United States" kind of unthinkable. Not gonna happen
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LOL....although in America, you never know. It might just happen :D
 
JessFR said:
"the people rising up with one voice to demand Paris Hilton be made queen of the new kingdom of the United States"
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i know, right.
the american people would never vote a crass, vacuous reality tv "personality" - who built a ludicrous empire on inherited wealth - into the white house...
 
You just couldn't resist could you? :)

Alrighty, I stand corrected, it's even LESS likely than that. Although I did say rising up with one voice, Trump didn't even get half that.

Besides, Queen Paris would obviously have a castle, not a White House.
 
what are you talking about?

the only thing that bothers me about the discussions that follow these recurrent mass-shootings are the inevitable conspiracy theories.

it's really ghoulish. i'm not sure how people can sit through chilling footage like that, trying to find any "inconsistencies" or ...well, "smoking guns" sounds a bit too literal, and no - i'm not trying to be funny.
jess was saying something earlier about people exploiting tragedy, and the worst example of that are this ludicrous conspiracy theories.

i know it's hard to accept that people commit atrocities like this, but seriously - there's something really sick about this sort of stuff.
you do know the people that spread this conspiracy disinformation do so for financial gain?
it's not about 'truth', it's about inflammatory clickbait, advertising, cross-marketing and profit.
 
watch the video! it clearly has audio of two different shootings taking place, full auto machine guns belt fed, NOT ar 15s , plus it might also show the muzzle flash from the 10th floor *if it isn't a strobe..... it is NOT an ECHO, just watch the Fucking clip
 
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