ss said:
Oh dear, here comes the liberal white guilt about our history that none of us alive today had anything to do with. Get over it mate, we did what we did, that's no justifiable reason to become soft and self-hating.
you claim that "we have every right to question the decisions made regarding allocation of the fruits of our labour" - as if other people's labour is somehow yours to claim ownership of - yet you're not comfortable with the idea of taking collective responsibility for the crimes of our forefathers.
why should the vast, vast majority of muslims be viewed with suspicion for the crimes of a tiny minority of militant islamists?
this blatant double standard forms the basis of your assumptions and beliefs on the issue.
as for being "soft", i'm not the one who is scaremongering about refugees.
conservative (pseudo) hyper-masculinity is a joke. like, literally a joke - especially when you're milking the politics of fear for all its worth.
ss said:
Nothing racist about having legitimate concerns over who and how many people come here, and their cultural compatibility, refugee or otherwise. Our taxes fund the welfare net that they're attracted to.. we have every right to question the decisions made regarding allocation of the fruits of our labour.
you're deliberately conflating the (very separate) ideas of
immigration and
giving humanitarian aid to people fleeing war zones.
these are completely different topics of discussion.
but hey, if you're going to call me "soft" - what could be softer than trying to claim impoverished asylum seekers don't have "cultural compatibility" with your own culture?
people move around the world. we
always have.
but now it is a lot easier than ever before because of technological advancements such as aeroplanes.
humans migrate; get used to it.
you accuse me of engaging in a "teary eyed guilt fest" for discussing history and the irony of a Brit moaning about "cultural compatibility".
nobody is compatible with british culture - that's why the british empire raped and pillaged so many places, so many people and civilisations. don't expect any sympathy when you complain about immigration. it's a ludicrous argument, much like the idea that europe is being taken over by muslims.
even if it were true - so what? what we're talking about is
life and death for an asylum seeker. that is far more pressing that european parochial paranoia, and needs to be addressed.
sorry if i don't take this "cultural genocide" crap seriously. it's fiction, and laughably ironic, which is why i bring up history.
when you say "the fruits of
our labour, you're taking credit for 'work' that you are both claiming collective -
and exclusive - ownership of.
which is it?
are we one society, or a bunch of disparate groups/individuals? i daresay you can't have it both ways.
as for this comment -
"Our taxes fund the welfare net that they're attracted to.. " - this is exactly what i'm talking about when i say that the far-right's ideology is based on deceptive mistruths and lies
refugees aren't "attracted to" the "welfare safety net" - this is classic tory tabloid talk.
refugees are very rarely influenced by "pull" factors; they are "pushed" out of their homelands, their social structures, their jobs, family networks and homes. the idea that people risk their lives and leave everything behind in their homelands, just to get on the dole in the UK (or wherever) is totally fallacious.
the continual effort to categorise asylum seekers as some kind of welfare scroungers is a particularly low-rent smear, along the same lines as the usual class war waged by the elite, and parroted by conservatives. it's lowest-common-denominator stuff; this is how demagogues manipulate and divide people for the sake of their own power.
obviously it would be a waste of
my time to try to convince you to think differently about this, so i am merely pointing out the inherent dishonesty in anti-refugee rhetoric.
if your culture is genuinely as threatened by the presence of refugees as the far right makes out - then maybe it's not a culture worth saving? we are witnessing the most dire humanitarian crisis since the second world war, and the far right plays up the most childish of fears to win support.
i'd love to know how many millions of displaced people does it take for people to realise that this global crisis is a lot bigger than your petty racism and fear?
ss said:
Give yours away for nothing if you feel guilty, but don't hate those who choose to question things first.
who's talking about guilt? i'm talking about hypocrisy.
as for "questioning" - what exactly do you question? you spout far-right orthodoxies in almost every post you make on bluelight.
ss said:
For the record about assad gassing, neither the latest or previous have been proven to be done by him. But don't let that interrupt your teary eyed guilt fest.
re: "teary eyed guilt fest" - can you have a discussion without appealing to emotive name-calling?
as for who carried out the gassing, i don't believe i mentioned who i think was responsible. the reason for that being that it is entirely irrelevant.
the refugees you demonise constantly are
fleeing a bloodbath. i'm not sure what is so difficult to understand about that, but it seems to come up over and over again.
And what's the yardstick for acceptable tolerance and multiculturalism, do we stop after European culture has been completely washed away or before ?
oh, that's an easy one!
After, of course.
the world is multicultural, get used to it.
