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Ryan01 said:
Yes, because I was referring to posters on this board 8)

Violence to advance a political objective = terrorism. Even those evil nazi right wingers didn't act this insane after obama's victories.
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Hmm, remember posting this?
Ryan01 said:
Did you see them gang up on that guy and hit him with a shovel? If they tried that in my area, they'd be getting shot!
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Talk about being "bad winners".
Those nazi right wingers (your words) have already committed (at least) two shootings since trump's inauguration.
Three weeks ago :\

One at a demonstration in Seattle, shooting an unarmed man who was reportedly trying to de-escalate the situation.
The other, of course, being the terrorist attack at the Mosque in Quebec.

You say "the left" are violent. And some of us are, when it comes to fighting tyranny.
That's what that whole #punchanazi thing was all about.

But i'm not advocating shooting people, or killing people. Il If you had the integrity to post anything that wasn't hyperbolic trolling, you might be able to offer some insight into what you're saying. But i don't hold out much hope there.

Now, when trump was still battling the other republican contenders for the presidential nomination, quite a few of his rallies ended up getting violent - often prevoked and encouraged by trump himself.


For me, this was concerning at the time. What will happen if this erratic, thin-skinned, cold-hearted demagogue becomes president?
Well - here we are. Such a class act.

As for all this "snowflake" talk, i saw this earlier today and got a bit of a giggle out of it -
republicans are the true snowflakes (they're all white, they're cold, and if you put enough of em together they'll shut down public schools)
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spacejunk said:
Hmm, remember posting this?

Talk about being "bad winners".
Those nazi right wingers (your words) have already committed (at least) two shootings since trump's inauguration.
Three weeks ago :\

One at a demonstration in Seattle, shooting an unarmed man who was reportedly trying to de-escalate the situation.
The other, of course, being the terrorist attack at the Mosque in Quebec.

You say "the left" are violent. And some of us are, when it comes to fighting tyranny.
That's what that whole #punchanazi thing was all about.

But i'm not advocating shooting people, or killing people. Il If you had the integrity to post anything that wasn't hyperbolic trolling, you might be able to offer some insight into what you're saying. But i don't hold out much hope there.

Now, when trump was still battling the other republican contenders for the presidential nomination, quite a few of his rallies ended up getting violent - often prevoked and encouraged by trump himself.
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If they want to participate in mob violence, they should expect to face the consequences. If some mob is coming at me or someone I know, it's well within the law here to shoot them. Yes, I know you'd rather people not resist. Beating an already unconscious man with a shovel. That could kill him or give him brain damage. They're actually creating tyranny instead of fighting it. There is nothing noble about destroying property and putting peoples lives at risk.
 
Ryan01 said:
They're actually creating tyranny instead of fighting it. There is nothing noble about destroying property and putting peoples lives at risk.
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This is exactly true of the property damage at protests. I wish it didn't happen, it unfortunately is a tactic that leaves the cause more fractured. It does seem the media provides some impetus to the divide itself.

Watching the convulsions the American people are going through is sobering.

Would Americans rewrite their constitution if it would save the union?
 
Ryan01 said:
If they want to participate in mob violence, they should expect to face the consequences
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You know, a lot of people say the same thing about inflammatory assholes like milo. Dishes out a lot of nasty bullshit, and whines when people turn up to disrupt his "performances" or whatever you call it when professional bigots do their thing.

But suggesting that people deserve to be shot for engaging in direct action just goes to show the cowardly mentality we're dealing with here..
 
I think they should be shot if they are putting others in danger.
To be fair though 90% of left wing protesters are fuckin hippies and students, shooting them would be a bit extreme.
 
spacejunk said:
You know, a lot of people say the same thing about inflammatory assholes like milo. Dishes out a lot of nasty bullshit, and whines when people turn up to disrupt his "performances" or whatever you call it when professional bigots do their thing.

But suggesting that people deserve to be shot for engaging in direct action just goes to show the cowardly mentality we're dealing with here..
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No, cowardly is sucker punching people and running away, pepper spraying people who are giving interviews, destroying peoples property, and ganging up on people in the streets. Direct action lmao, they are attempting to silence free speech. Lots of people on the left say inflammatory things (ie a professor saying "all I want for christmas is white genocide")
Luckily it backfired and milo's book sales jumped and he got a much bigger platform to speak on (fox)

I guess I should congratulate them for destroying their own cause.
 
spacejunk said:
But suggesting that people deserve to be shot for engaging in direct action just goes to show the cowardly mentality we're dealing with here..
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You're a self admitted antifa. "Direct action" is a euphemism for mob violence.

Yes, I do believe the correct response to 20 on 1 mob violence is for everyone in the mob to get lit the fuck up. If I face mob violence on foot I will open fire and if I'm in a car I will hit the gas if my car is swarmed.

I have never seen antifa engage in any violence I wouldn't classify as cowardly, it always involves either overwhelming odds or sucker punching and running away as quickly as possible (out of fear/cowardice.)

#punchanazi? where are these nazis? anyone to the right of marx is a nazi these days.

antifa is the leading group behaving like actual nazis and fascists.
 
it's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it.

if you saw evidence that right-wing protesters were beating people in the manner you describe, would you say they deserved to be murdered as well?
bearing in mind that "cowardly attacks" are the KKK's modus operandi - as it is for a lot of two-bit neo-fascist groupuscules.

have you ever personally witnessed a fascist rally with an anti-racist counter-rally?

or have you only seen 'antifa' on the tv news - or youtube propaganda videos?
i can tell you from personal experience that the only reason "innocent" (random, non-political bystanders or members of a persecuted minority) people don't get attacked by certain groups is because of anti fascist activists.

now, which group it is, and what they are inclined to do - or capable of doing - varies from time to time, place to place - but there have been recent examples in australia of organised groups of racist thugs turning up to "multicultural" events to not online disrupt them, but to fight "leftists".

in the instance that i am thinking of in Melbourne last year, it took several waves of activists (various leftist groups, as well as members of the local lebanese community who were not happy with these guys coming from other towns to their community to start fights at a community parade.

those guys (the neo-nazis) needed to be kept away from the families and other community members that were at this event, so some rough-house tactics actually prevented these thugs from taking over the event and hurting people who weren't prepared for a fight.

nazis, in their demonstrations, for the most part are keen for a fight.
likewise, anti-fascitst are prepared to fight nazis if that is what it takes to keep them from gathering on the streets to intimidate, threaten and assault people.
this hand-wringing (from both the right and liberals) in recent times about poor innocent nazis and their "freedom of speech" is quite laughable to me if you've ever encountered a fascist rally.
seriously.
you don't have to agree with antifa tactics, or politics - but if you really are suggesting that people ought to be shot or run over by cars for standing up to racist, aggressive gangs of bullies who are threatening communities of real people (not just hypothetical people some random guy mentions on the internet) - then i'd suggest there is really something wrong there.
 
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I saw footage of a black lives matter rally where the protesters had blocked the road but some guy just plowed through a load of them. He sent about five of them flying.
I must admit I laughed when it turned out to be a black guy driving.

I think if your left or right if you want violence expect violence.
Treat people how you expect to be treated.
 
treezy z said:
You're a self admitted antifa. "Direct action" is a euphemism for mob violence.
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that simply isn't true.
"direct action" can mean many things. the activists i know and associate loosely with always (and proudly) engage in non-violent direct action. and there's only one exception to that rule. can you guess what it is?
nazis.

Soso78 said:
Treat people how you expect to be treated.
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exactly right - which is why nazis get physically confronted (not calmly debated over cups of tea and sandwiches). it just doesn't work that way.
sure, it's not pretty. neo-nazi shit is certainly not 'nice'.

if you are determined to confront that sort of stuff and keep it from developing (and growing) in your community, the unfortunate reality is that you have to engage people in a way they will respond to. protest marches, poster campaigns, leaflet drops - you think any of those 'peaceful' means would have any sort of impact whatsoever?

hard-line fascists don't "debate", so that's why anti-facsists use violence.
 
I understand that but "nazis" will love it if you kick off. It's what they want.
I never had much contact with nazis though as where i live they wouldn't last 5 mins because it 90% non white.
 
The KKK is basically non existant and has been for decades.

Standing up to racist gangs of bullies? Those people were doing nothing. It's laughable that you think a gay jew speaking to a few hundred people is a threat. Shows how fragile and weak the left is right now. Like I said, ISIS views people like you as allies. Congrats.
 
Escher's Waterfall said:
Ain't antifa's own cause to find any excuse to assault someone?
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Sort of, what I mean is more people will get tired of them. Centrists will probably start drifting to the right. Especially if DT makes good on creating lots of jobs. Lauren Southern had urine poured on her for saying there's only 2 genders. Probably not antifa, but still. Conservatives bitched after obama won but you didn't see them acting like that.
 
spacejunk said:
exactly right - which is why nazis get physically confronted (not calmly debated over cups of tea and sandwiches). it just doesn't work that way.
sure, it's not pretty. neo-nazi shit is certainly not 'nice'.
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You're justifying violence by saying 'they did it first' which isnt a good justification. If you think some is a cunt for being a violent thug, what difference is when you act in the same way?

The focus on Nazis is prety weak imo. True neonazis are fringe groups with little actual power, populated by uneducated idiots who mainly gloat online. Groups like Combat 18 don't really pose a huge threat that only violence can solve. I do always rip down their stickers and have defaced posters and tags though, but that's peaceful.

These guys need to be confronted but it shouod only get violent if they start it. I personally always defend myself with violence against violence. My last fray, 5 yrs ago or more saw me cornered in an alley by a few dude trying to steal my methadone and valium. I was about to have the shit kicked if me so I smashed my beer bottle on a skull and then booked it like Usain Bolt :D terrifying shit. Self defence only against violence, and reason and peaceful methods against ideology. I hate what I did but I'd do it again against that sort of threat

Being violent degrades much of what we are trying to achieve. It gives the general community the impression that we on the left are all bruisers who cover their faces when acting up. It gives rightful fodder to the opposition.

Antifa have attacked black metal fans simply because some, very few of them are far right. Its fascist behavioys in that sense. Thuggery.

Don't be like them, their vioence is what we oppose.
 
Ryan01 said:
The KKK is basically non existant and has been for decades.

Standing up to racist gangs of bullies? Those people were doing nothing. It's laughable that you think a gay jew speaking to a few hundred people is a threat. Shows how fragile and weak the left is right now. Like I said, ISIS views people like you as allies. Congrats.
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If you think the KKK doesn't exist any longer you've never driven through fucking Harrison, AR. They have billboards up that say stuff such as "Diversity is just another word for white genocide," and you see at least five similar ones on your way down their main street. My friend's father is the only black man that lives in that town (one ballsy motherfucker) and he still gets death threats in his mailbox every year.

The people in that town will glare at you and get their shotgun out if you're just some hippie looking white dude. I know this from personal experience. Don't you dare say the KKK is dead.
 
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