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What Jesus Said
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He meant the life of the spirit, the life of the higher self. But most of us still aren't aware there even is such a thing. But, yes, living from the lower self, or ego, is seen as a kind of death, spiritually. Or you have lost yourself in your avatar on Earth and forgotten your true nature.
I think the hope of successive incarnations is that you will awaken to this more and more, but we're all at different stages.
I think the hope of successive incarnations is that you will awaken to this more and more, but we're all at different stages.
THE Christines were in Philip's home and Peter said to Jesus,
Lord, will you explain to us the meaning of the parables you spoke today? The one about the wheat and tares, especially?
2) And Jesus said,
God's kingdom is a duality; it has an outer and an inner form.
3) As seen by man it is composed of men, of those who make confession of the name of Christ.
4) For various reasons various people crowd this outer kingdom of our God.
5) The inner kingdom is the kingdom of the soul, the kingdom of the pure in heart.
6) The outer kingdom I may well explain in parables. Behold, for I have seen you cast a great net out into the sea,
7) And when you hauled it in, lo, it was full of every kind of fish, some good, some bad, some great, some small; and I have seen you save the good and throw the bad away.
8 ) This outer kingdom is the net, and every kind of man is caught; but in the sorting day the bad will all be cast away, the good reserved.
9) Hear, then, the meaning of the parable of the wheat and tares:
10) The sower is the son of man; the field, the world; the good seed are the children of the light; the tares, the children of the dark; the enemy, the carnal self; the harvest day, the closing of the age; the reapers are the messengers of God.
11) The reckoning day will come to every man; then will the tares be gathered up, and cast into the fire and be burned.
12) Then will the good shine forth as suns in the kingdom of the soul.
13) And Philip said,
Must men and women suffer in the flames because they have not found the way of life?
14) And Jesus said,
The fire purifies. The chemist throws into the fire the ores that hold all kinds of dross.
15) The useless metal seems to be consumed; but not a grain of gold is lost.
16) There is no man that has not in him gold that cannot be destroyed. The evil things of men are all consumed in fire; the gold survives.
17) The inner kingdom of the soul I may explain in parables:
18 ) The son of man goes forth and scatters seeds of truth; God waters well the soil; the seeds show life and grow; first comes the blade, and then the stalk, and then the ear, and then the full wheat in the ear.
19) The harvest comes and, lo, the reapers bear the ripened sheaves into the garner of the Lord.
20) Again, this kingdom of the soul is like a little seed that men may plant in fertile soil.
21) (A thousand of these seeds would scarcely be a shekel's weight.)
22) The tiny seed begins to grow; it pushes through the earth, and after years of growth it is a mighty tree and birds rest in its leafy bowers and men find refuge 'neath its sheltering boughs from sun and storm.
23) Again, the truth, the spirit of the kingdom of the soul, is like a ball of leaven that a woman hid in measures, three, of flour and in a little time the whole was leavened.
24) Again, the kingdom of the soul is like a treasure hidden in a field which one has found, and straightaway goes his way and sells all that he has and buys the field.
25) When Jesus had thus said he went alone into a mountain pass near by to pray.
Lord, will you explain to us the meaning of the parables you spoke today? The one about the wheat and tares, especially?
2) And Jesus said,
God's kingdom is a duality; it has an outer and an inner form.
3) As seen by man it is composed of men, of those who make confession of the name of Christ.
4) For various reasons various people crowd this outer kingdom of our God.
5) The inner kingdom is the kingdom of the soul, the kingdom of the pure in heart.
6) The outer kingdom I may well explain in parables. Behold, for I have seen you cast a great net out into the sea,
7) And when you hauled it in, lo, it was full of every kind of fish, some good, some bad, some great, some small; and I have seen you save the good and throw the bad away.
8 ) This outer kingdom is the net, and every kind of man is caught; but in the sorting day the bad will all be cast away, the good reserved.
9) Hear, then, the meaning of the parable of the wheat and tares:
10) The sower is the son of man; the field, the world; the good seed are the children of the light; the tares, the children of the dark; the enemy, the carnal self; the harvest day, the closing of the age; the reapers are the messengers of God.
11) The reckoning day will come to every man; then will the tares be gathered up, and cast into the fire and be burned.
12) Then will the good shine forth as suns in the kingdom of the soul.
13) And Philip said,
Must men and women suffer in the flames because they have not found the way of life?
14) And Jesus said,
The fire purifies. The chemist throws into the fire the ores that hold all kinds of dross.
15) The useless metal seems to be consumed; but not a grain of gold is lost.
16) There is no man that has not in him gold that cannot be destroyed. The evil things of men are all consumed in fire; the gold survives.
17) The inner kingdom of the soul I may explain in parables:
18 ) The son of man goes forth and scatters seeds of truth; God waters well the soil; the seeds show life and grow; first comes the blade, and then the stalk, and then the ear, and then the full wheat in the ear.
19) The harvest comes and, lo, the reapers bear the ripened sheaves into the garner of the Lord.
20) Again, this kingdom of the soul is like a little seed that men may plant in fertile soil.
21) (A thousand of these seeds would scarcely be a shekel's weight.)
22) The tiny seed begins to grow; it pushes through the earth, and after years of growth it is a mighty tree and birds rest in its leafy bowers and men find refuge 'neath its sheltering boughs from sun and storm.
23) Again, the truth, the spirit of the kingdom of the soul, is like a ball of leaven that a woman hid in measures, three, of flour and in a little time the whole was leavened.
24) Again, the kingdom of the soul is like a treasure hidden in a field which one has found, and straightaway goes his way and sells all that he has and buys the field.
25) When Jesus had thus said he went alone into a mountain pass near by to pray.
A ROYAL feast was held in honor of the birthday of the tetrarch in fortified Machaerus, east of the Bitter Sea.
2) The tetrarch, Herod, and his wife, Herodias, together with Salome were there; and all the men and women of the royal court were there.
3) And when the feast was done, lo, all the guests and courtiers were drunk with wine; they danced and leaped about like children in their play.
4) Salome, daughter of Herodias, came in and danced before the king. The beauty of her form, her grace and winning ways entranced the silly Herod, then half drunk with wine.
5) He called the maiden to his side and said,
Salome, you have won my heart, and you may ask and I will give you anything you wish.
6) The maiden ran in childish glee and told her mother what the ruler said.
7) Her mother said,
Go back and say, Give me the head of John, the harbinger.
8 ) The maiden ran and told the ruler what she wished.
9) And Herod called his trusty executioner and said to him,
Go to the tower and tell the keeper that by my authority you come to execute the prisoner known as John.
10) The man went forth and in a little while returned and on a platter bore the lifeless head of John, and Herod offered it unto the maiden in the presence of the guests.
11) The maiden stood aloof; her innocence was outraged when she saw the bloody gift, and she would touch it not.
12) Her mother, steeped and hardened well in crime, came up and took the head and held it up before the guests and said,
13) This is the fate of every man who dares to scorn, or criticize, the acts of him who reigns.
14) The drunken rabble gazed upon the gruesome sight with fiendish joy.
15) The head was taken back unto the tower. The body had been given unto holy men who had been friends of John; they placed it in a burial case and carried it away.
16) They bore it to the Jordan, which they crossed just at the ford where John first preached the word;
17) And through the passes of the Judean hills they carried it.
18 ) They reached the sacred grounds near Hebron, where the bodies of the parents of the harbinger lay in their tombs;
19) And there they buried it; and then they went their way.
20) Now, when the news reached Galilee that John was dead the people met to sing the sonnets of the dead.
21) And Jesus and the foreign masters and the twelve took ship to cross the sea of Galilee.
22) A scribe, a faithful friend of John, stood by the sea; he called to Jesus and he said,
Rabboni, let me follow where you go.
23) And Jesus said,
You seek a safe retreat from evil men. There is no safety for your life with me;
24) For evil men will take my life as they have taken John's.
25) The foxes of the earth have safe retreats; the birds have nests secure among the hidden rocks, but I have not a place where I may lay my head and rest secure.
26) Then an apostle said,
Lord, suffer me to tarry here a while, that I may take my father, who is dead, and lay him in the tomb.
27) But Jesus said,
The dead can care for those who die; the living wait for those who live; come, follow me.
28 ) The evening came; three boats put out to sea and Jesus rested in the foremost boat; he slept.
29) A storm came on; the boats were tossed about like toys upon the sea.
30) The waters swept the decks; the hardy boatmen were afraid lest all be lost.
31) And Thomas found the master fast asleep; he called, and Jesus woke.
32) And Thomas said,
Behold the storm! have you no care for us? The boats are going down.
33) And Jesus stood; he raised his hand; he talked unto the spirits of the winds and waves as men would talk with men.
34) And, lo, the winds blew not; the waves came tremblingly and kissed his feet; the sea was calm.
35) And then he said,
You men of faith, where is your faith? for you can speak and winds and waves will hear and will obey.
36) And the disciples were amazed. They said,
Who is this man that even winds and waves obey his voice?
2) The tetrarch, Herod, and his wife, Herodias, together with Salome were there; and all the men and women of the royal court were there.
3) And when the feast was done, lo, all the guests and courtiers were drunk with wine; they danced and leaped about like children in their play.
4) Salome, daughter of Herodias, came in and danced before the king. The beauty of her form, her grace and winning ways entranced the silly Herod, then half drunk with wine.
5) He called the maiden to his side and said,
Salome, you have won my heart, and you may ask and I will give you anything you wish.
6) The maiden ran in childish glee and told her mother what the ruler said.
7) Her mother said,
Go back and say, Give me the head of John, the harbinger.
8 ) The maiden ran and told the ruler what she wished.
9) And Herod called his trusty executioner and said to him,
Go to the tower and tell the keeper that by my authority you come to execute the prisoner known as John.
10) The man went forth and in a little while returned and on a platter bore the lifeless head of John, and Herod offered it unto the maiden in the presence of the guests.
11) The maiden stood aloof; her innocence was outraged when she saw the bloody gift, and she would touch it not.
12) Her mother, steeped and hardened well in crime, came up and took the head and held it up before the guests and said,
13) This is the fate of every man who dares to scorn, or criticize, the acts of him who reigns.
14) The drunken rabble gazed upon the gruesome sight with fiendish joy.
15) The head was taken back unto the tower. The body had been given unto holy men who had been friends of John; they placed it in a burial case and carried it away.
16) They bore it to the Jordan, which they crossed just at the ford where John first preached the word;
17) And through the passes of the Judean hills they carried it.
18 ) They reached the sacred grounds near Hebron, where the bodies of the parents of the harbinger lay in their tombs;
19) And there they buried it; and then they went their way.
20) Now, when the news reached Galilee that John was dead the people met to sing the sonnets of the dead.
21) And Jesus and the foreign masters and the twelve took ship to cross the sea of Galilee.
22) A scribe, a faithful friend of John, stood by the sea; he called to Jesus and he said,
Rabboni, let me follow where you go.
23) And Jesus said,
You seek a safe retreat from evil men. There is no safety for your life with me;
24) For evil men will take my life as they have taken John's.
25) The foxes of the earth have safe retreats; the birds have nests secure among the hidden rocks, but I have not a place where I may lay my head and rest secure.
26) Then an apostle said,
Lord, suffer me to tarry here a while, that I may take my father, who is dead, and lay him in the tomb.
27) But Jesus said,
The dead can care for those who die; the living wait for those who live; come, follow me.
28 ) The evening came; three boats put out to sea and Jesus rested in the foremost boat; he slept.
29) A storm came on; the boats were tossed about like toys upon the sea.
30) The waters swept the decks; the hardy boatmen were afraid lest all be lost.
31) And Thomas found the master fast asleep; he called, and Jesus woke.
32) And Thomas said,
Behold the storm! have you no care for us? The boats are going down.
33) And Jesus stood; he raised his hand; he talked unto the spirits of the winds and waves as men would talk with men.
34) And, lo, the winds blew not; the waves came tremblingly and kissed his feet; the sea was calm.
35) And then he said,
You men of faith, where is your faith? for you can speak and winds and waves will hear and will obey.
36) And the disciples were amazed. They said,
Who is this man that even winds and waves obey his voice?
What about the good things everyone says - why not proliferate the good of humanity; instead of following one persons example - why not appreciate the people around us and ourselves?
I have one person in mind that was very kind to me today - Jesus she ain't - a friend she aint - but she showed me kindness and warmth - THAT meant something and THAT I will keep with me
'' ...Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.''
Gnostic Gospels that the Vatican refuses to acknowledge - love is a power - Vatican is a power that has tried to squeeze people's innate energy out of, for centuries. Everyone can thrive with the love of others/their kin/those who love.
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html
I have one person in mind that was very kind to me today - Jesus she ain't - a friend she aint - but she showed me kindness and warmth - THAT meant something and THAT I will keep with me
'' ...Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.''
Gnostic Gospels that the Vatican refuses to acknowledge - love is a power - Vatican is a power that has tried to squeeze people's innate energy out of, for centuries. Everyone can thrive with the love of others/their kin/those who love.
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom.html
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xbandit07x
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Everything about Jesus's words implied he was not from this world. There is no way somebody at that time could have spoken like that to others without choking on point and in tune knowing exactly how to say whatever he wanted to to anybody at any time.
inb4 he maybe had schizophrenia?, whens the last time someone with schizophrenia was socially perfect and had a more ideal behavior/personality to interact with everyone than a neurotypical.
The point of buddhism was Siddhartha Guatama recognized there was a God but no way to communicate with him in this life, so Dissociation and peace with the universe was the best humanity could do to wait for a savior. All of the enlightened realms between Earth and the Heavens are a purgatory and a wilderness of Disassociated peace, but are not true/the highest.
Since humanity was made in God's image, Jesus was a portal between humanity and his Kingdom, and let our conscious experience a love beyond the Buddhas stepping stone in time, and the highest plane is an eternal version of human life without Lucifer, getting to keep whom you love (Family, Earth, animals, interesting days, new experiences) for an infinite amount of time and be in full appreciation of each moment.
Jesus said Satan is King of the Earth for the time being. Satan is the all seeing eye of "Big brother". He is the Man-made society construct that furthers and furthers its "liberation" until self destructing. And he is making you feel Guilty for experiencing pleasure, to bring you down with him. Satan is the for profit/power destruction of Earth resources, family, and natural Law. Satan is in control of the system of slaving away for money and knowledge.
Satan is the force that brainwashed your parents to mistrust you for using marijuana or other substances. The whole concept of addiction and its stigmas are Satan's way of saying you're with him.
inb4 he maybe had schizophrenia?, whens the last time someone with schizophrenia was socially perfect and had a more ideal behavior/personality to interact with everyone than a neurotypical.
The point of buddhism was Siddhartha Guatama recognized there was a God but no way to communicate with him in this life, so Dissociation and peace with the universe was the best humanity could do to wait for a savior. All of the enlightened realms between Earth and the Heavens are a purgatory and a wilderness of Disassociated peace, but are not true/the highest.
Since humanity was made in God's image, Jesus was a portal between humanity and his Kingdom, and let our conscious experience a love beyond the Buddhas stepping stone in time, and the highest plane is an eternal version of human life without Lucifer, getting to keep whom you love (Family, Earth, animals, interesting days, new experiences) for an infinite amount of time and be in full appreciation of each moment.
Jesus said Satan is King of the Earth for the time being. Satan is the all seeing eye of "Big brother". He is the Man-made society construct that furthers and furthers its "liberation" until self destructing. And he is making you feel Guilty for experiencing pleasure, to bring you down with him. Satan is the for profit/power destruction of Earth resources, family, and natural Law. Satan is in control of the system of slaving away for money and knowledge.
Satan is the force that brainwashed your parents to mistrust you for using marijuana or other substances. The whole concept of addiction and its stigmas are Satan's way of saying you're with him.
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xbandit07x
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Everyone circumventing Jesus's truth In this thread is attempting to liberate themselves from God.
THE morning came; the Christines landed in the country of the Geracenes.
2) They went to Gadara, chief city of the Peracans, and here for certain days they tarried and they taught.
3) Now, legends hold that Gadara is sacred to the dead, and all the hills about are known as holy ground.
4) These are the burial grounds of all the regions round about; the hills are full of tombs; and many dead from Galilee are here entombed.
5) Now, spirits of the lately dead that cannot rise to higher planes, remain about the tombs that hold the flesh and bones of what was once their mortal homes.
6) They sometimes take possession of the living, whom they torture in a hundred ways.
7) And all through Gadara were men obsessed, and there was no one strong enough to bring relief.
8 ) That they might meet these hidden foes and learn the way to dispossess the evil ones the master took the foreign masters and the twelve into the tombs.
9) And as they neared the gates they met a man obsessed. A legion of the unclean ones were in this man, and they had made him strong;
10) And none could bind him down, no, not with chains; for he could break the stoutest chains, and go his way.
11) Now, unclean spirits cannot live in light; they revel in the dark.
12) When Jesus came he brought the light of life, and all the evil spirits were disturbed.
13) The leader of the legion in the man called out,
Thou Jesus, thou Immanuel, we beg that thou wilt not consign us to the depths. Torment us not before our time.
14) And Jesus said,
What is your number and your name?
15) The evil spirit said,
Our name is legion, and our number is the number of the beast.
16) And Jesus spoke; and with a voice that shook the very hills, he said,
Come forth; possess this man no more.
17) Now, all the hills were filled with unclean animals that fed, and carried forth and spread the plague among the people of the land.
18 ) And when the evil spirits begged that they might not be driven forth without a home, the master said,
19) Go forth and take possession of the unclean quadrupeds.
20) And they, and all the evil spirits of the tombs went forth and took possession of the breeders of the plague,
21) Which, wild with rage, ran down the steeps into the sea, and all were drowned.
22) And all the land was freed of the contagion, and the unclean spirits came no more.
23) But when the people saw the mighty works that Jesus did they were alarmed. They said,
24) If he can free the country of the plague, and drive the unclean spirits out, he is a man of such transcendent power that he can devastate our land at will.
25) And then they came and prayed that he would not remain in Gadara.
26) And Jesus did not tarry longer there, and with the other masters and the twelve, he went aboard the boats to go away.
27) The man who had been rescued from the unclean legion stood upon the shore and said,
Lord let me go with you.
28 ) But Jesus said,
It is not well; go forth unto your home and tell the news, that men may know what man can do when he is tuned with God.
29) And then the man went forth through all Decapolis and told the news.
30) The Christines sailed away, re-crossed the sea and came again into Capernaum.
2) They went to Gadara, chief city of the Peracans, and here for certain days they tarried and they taught.
3) Now, legends hold that Gadara is sacred to the dead, and all the hills about are known as holy ground.
4) These are the burial grounds of all the regions round about; the hills are full of tombs; and many dead from Galilee are here entombed.
5) Now, spirits of the lately dead that cannot rise to higher planes, remain about the tombs that hold the flesh and bones of what was once their mortal homes.
6) They sometimes take possession of the living, whom they torture in a hundred ways.
7) And all through Gadara were men obsessed, and there was no one strong enough to bring relief.
8 ) That they might meet these hidden foes and learn the way to dispossess the evil ones the master took the foreign masters and the twelve into the tombs.
9) And as they neared the gates they met a man obsessed. A legion of the unclean ones were in this man, and they had made him strong;
10) And none could bind him down, no, not with chains; for he could break the stoutest chains, and go his way.
11) Now, unclean spirits cannot live in light; they revel in the dark.
12) When Jesus came he brought the light of life, and all the evil spirits were disturbed.
13) The leader of the legion in the man called out,
Thou Jesus, thou Immanuel, we beg that thou wilt not consign us to the depths. Torment us not before our time.
14) And Jesus said,
What is your number and your name?
15) The evil spirit said,
Our name is legion, and our number is the number of the beast.
16) And Jesus spoke; and with a voice that shook the very hills, he said,
Come forth; possess this man no more.
17) Now, all the hills were filled with unclean animals that fed, and carried forth and spread the plague among the people of the land.
18 ) And when the evil spirits begged that they might not be driven forth without a home, the master said,
19) Go forth and take possession of the unclean quadrupeds.
20) And they, and all the evil spirits of the tombs went forth and took possession of the breeders of the plague,
21) Which, wild with rage, ran down the steeps into the sea, and all were drowned.
22) And all the land was freed of the contagion, and the unclean spirits came no more.
23) But when the people saw the mighty works that Jesus did they were alarmed. They said,
24) If he can free the country of the plague, and drive the unclean spirits out, he is a man of such transcendent power that he can devastate our land at will.
25) And then they came and prayed that he would not remain in Gadara.
26) And Jesus did not tarry longer there, and with the other masters and the twelve, he went aboard the boats to go away.
27) The man who had been rescued from the unclean legion stood upon the shore and said,
Lord let me go with you.
28 ) But Jesus said,
It is not well; go forth unto your home and tell the news, that men may know what man can do when he is tuned with God.
29) And then the man went forth through all Decapolis and told the news.
30) The Christines sailed away, re-crossed the sea and came again into Capernaum.
THE news soon spread through all the land that Jesus was at home and then the people came in throngs to welcome him.
2) And Matthew, one of the twelve, a man of wealth, whose home was in Capernaum, spread forth a sumptuous feast, and Jesus and the foreign masters and the twelve, and people of all shades of thought, were guests.
3) And when the Pharisees observed that Jesus sat and ate with publicans and those of ill repute they said,
4) For shame! This man who claims to be man of God, consorts with publicans and courtesans and with the common herd of men. For shame!
5) When Jesus knew their thoughts he said,
They who are well cannot be healed; the pure need not be saved.
6) They who are well are whole; they who are pure are saved.
7) They who love justice and do right need not repent; I came not unto them, but to the sinner I am come.
8 ) A band of John's disciples who had heard that John was dead were wearing badges for their dead;
9) Were fasting and were praying in their hearts, which when the Pharisees observed they came to Jesus and they said,
10) Why fast the followers of John and your disciples do not fast?
11) And Jesus said,
Lo, you are masters of the law; you ought to know; perhaps you will make known your knowledge to these men.
12) What are the benefits derived from fasts?
The Pharisees were mute; they answered not.
13) Then Jesus said,
The vital force of men depends on what they eat and drink.
14) Is spirit-life the stronger when the vital force is weak? Is sainthood reached by starving, self imposed?
15) A glutton is a sinner in the sight of God, and he is not a saint who makes himself a weakling and unfitted for the heavy tasks of life by scorning to make use of God's own means of strength.
16) Lo, John is dead, and his devoted followers are fasting in their grief.
17) Their love for him impels them on to show respect, for they have thought, and have been taught that it is sin to lightly treat the memory of the dead.
18 ) To them it is a sin, and it is well that they should fast.
19) When men defy their consciences and listen not to what they say, the heart is grieved and they become unfitted for the work of life; and thus they sin.
20) The conscience may be taught. One man may do in conscience what another cannot do.
21) What is a sin for me to do may not be sin for you to do. The place you occupy upon the way of life determines what is sin.
22) There is no changeless law of good; for good and evil both are judged by other things.
23) One man may fast and in his deep sincerity of heart is blest.
24) Another man may fast and in the faithlessness of such a task imposed is cursed.
25) You cannot make a bed to fit the form of every man. If you can make a bed to fit yourself you have done well.
26) Why should these men who follow me resort to fasting, or to anything that would impair their strength? They need it all to serve the race.
27) The time will come when God will let you have your way, and you will do to me what Herod did to John;
28 ) And in the awfulness of that sad hour these men will fast.
29) They who have ears to hear may hear; they who have hearts to feel may understand.
2) And Matthew, one of the twelve, a man of wealth, whose home was in Capernaum, spread forth a sumptuous feast, and Jesus and the foreign masters and the twelve, and people of all shades of thought, were guests.
3) And when the Pharisees observed that Jesus sat and ate with publicans and those of ill repute they said,
4) For shame! This man who claims to be man of God, consorts with publicans and courtesans and with the common herd of men. For shame!
5) When Jesus knew their thoughts he said,
They who are well cannot be healed; the pure need not be saved.
6) They who are well are whole; they who are pure are saved.
7) They who love justice and do right need not repent; I came not unto them, but to the sinner I am come.
8 ) A band of John's disciples who had heard that John was dead were wearing badges for their dead;
9) Were fasting and were praying in their hearts, which when the Pharisees observed they came to Jesus and they said,
10) Why fast the followers of John and your disciples do not fast?
11) And Jesus said,
Lo, you are masters of the law; you ought to know; perhaps you will make known your knowledge to these men.
12) What are the benefits derived from fasts?
The Pharisees were mute; they answered not.
13) Then Jesus said,
The vital force of men depends on what they eat and drink.
14) Is spirit-life the stronger when the vital force is weak? Is sainthood reached by starving, self imposed?
15) A glutton is a sinner in the sight of God, and he is not a saint who makes himself a weakling and unfitted for the heavy tasks of life by scorning to make use of God's own means of strength.
16) Lo, John is dead, and his devoted followers are fasting in their grief.
17) Their love for him impels them on to show respect, for they have thought, and have been taught that it is sin to lightly treat the memory of the dead.
18 ) To them it is a sin, and it is well that they should fast.
19) When men defy their consciences and listen not to what they say, the heart is grieved and they become unfitted for the work of life; and thus they sin.
20) The conscience may be taught. One man may do in conscience what another cannot do.
21) What is a sin for me to do may not be sin for you to do. The place you occupy upon the way of life determines what is sin.
22) There is no changeless law of good; for good and evil both are judged by other things.
23) One man may fast and in his deep sincerity of heart is blest.
24) Another man may fast and in the faithlessness of such a task imposed is cursed.
25) You cannot make a bed to fit the form of every man. If you can make a bed to fit yourself you have done well.
26) Why should these men who follow me resort to fasting, or to anything that would impair their strength? They need it all to serve the race.
27) The time will come when God will let you have your way, and you will do to me what Herod did to John;
28 ) And in the awfulness of that sad hour these men will fast.
29) They who have ears to hear may hear; they who have hearts to feel may understand.
NOW, Nicodemus, who once came to Jesus in the night to learn the way of life, was one among the guests.
2) And standing forth he said,
Rabboni, it is true that Jewish laws and Jewish practices do not agree.
3) The priesthood needs to be reformed; the rulers should become more merciful and kind; the lawyers should become more just; the common people should not bear such loads.
4) But could we not gain these reforms and not destroy the service of the Jews?
5) Could you not harmonize your mighty work with that of Pharisee and scribe? Might not the priesthood be a benefit to your divine philosophy?
6) But Jesus said,
You cannot put new wine in ancient skins, for when it purifies itself, lo, it expands; the ancient bottles cannot bear the strain; they burst, and all the wine is lost.
7) Men do not mend a worn-out garment with a piece of cloth unworn, which cannot yield to suit the fabric, weak with age, and then a greater rent appears.
8 ) Old wine may be preserved in ancient skins; but new wine calls for bottles new.
9) This spirit-truth I bring is to this generation new, and if we put it in the ancient skins of Jewish forms, lo, it will all be lost.
10) It must expand; the ancient bottles cannot yield and they would burst.
11) Behold the kingdom of the Christ! it is as old as God himself, and yet it is as new as morning sun; it only can contain the truth of God.
12) And as he spoke a ruler of the synagogue, Jairus by name, came in and bowed at Jesus' feet and said,
13) My master, hear my prayer! My child is very sick, I fear that she will die; but this I know that if you will but come and speak the Word my child will live.
14) (She was an only child, a girl twelve years of age.)
15) And Jesus tarried not; he went out with the man, and many people followed them.
16) And as they went a woman who had been plagued with hemorrhage for many years, had been a subject of experiment of doctors near and far, and all had said, She cannot live, rose from her bed and rushed out in the way as Jesus passed.
17) She said within herself,
If I can touch his garment, then I know I will be well.
18 ) She touched him, and at once the bleeding ceased and she was well.
19) And Jesus felt that healing power had gone from him, and speaking to the multitude, he said,
20) Who was it touched my coat?
21) And Peter said,
No one can tell; the multitudes are pressing you; a score of people may have touched your coat.
22) But Jesus said,
Some one in faith, with healing thought, did touch my coat, for healing virtues have gone forth from me.
23) And when the woman knew that what she did was known, she came and knelt at Jesus' feet and told it all.
24) And Jesus said,
Your faith has made you whole, go on your way in peace.
25) Now, as he spoke, a servant from the home of Jairus came and said,
My master, Jairus, trouble not the Lord to come; your child is dead.
26) But Jesus said,
Jairus, man of faith, do not permit your faith to waver in this trying hour.
27) What is it that the servant said? The child is dead? Lo, what is death?
28 ) It is the passing of the soul out of the house of flesh.
29) Man is the master of the soul and of its house. When man has risen up from doubt and fear, lo, he can cleanse the empty house and bring the tenant back again.
30) Then taking with him Peter, James and John, Jairus and the mother of the child, he went into the chamber of the dead.
31) And when the doors were closed against the multitude, he spoke a word that souls can understand, and then he took the maiden by the hand and said,
32) Talith cumi, child, arise!
The maiden's soul returned and she arose and asked for food.
33) And all the people of the city were amazed, and many would have worshipped Jesus as a God.
34) But, like a phantom of the night, he disappeared and went his way.
2) And standing forth he said,
Rabboni, it is true that Jewish laws and Jewish practices do not agree.
3) The priesthood needs to be reformed; the rulers should become more merciful and kind; the lawyers should become more just; the common people should not bear such loads.
4) But could we not gain these reforms and not destroy the service of the Jews?
5) Could you not harmonize your mighty work with that of Pharisee and scribe? Might not the priesthood be a benefit to your divine philosophy?
6) But Jesus said,
You cannot put new wine in ancient skins, for when it purifies itself, lo, it expands; the ancient bottles cannot bear the strain; they burst, and all the wine is lost.
7) Men do not mend a worn-out garment with a piece of cloth unworn, which cannot yield to suit the fabric, weak with age, and then a greater rent appears.
8 ) Old wine may be preserved in ancient skins; but new wine calls for bottles new.
9) This spirit-truth I bring is to this generation new, and if we put it in the ancient skins of Jewish forms, lo, it will all be lost.
10) It must expand; the ancient bottles cannot yield and they would burst.
11) Behold the kingdom of the Christ! it is as old as God himself, and yet it is as new as morning sun; it only can contain the truth of God.
12) And as he spoke a ruler of the synagogue, Jairus by name, came in and bowed at Jesus' feet and said,
13) My master, hear my prayer! My child is very sick, I fear that she will die; but this I know that if you will but come and speak the Word my child will live.
14) (She was an only child, a girl twelve years of age.)
15) And Jesus tarried not; he went out with the man, and many people followed them.
16) And as they went a woman who had been plagued with hemorrhage for many years, had been a subject of experiment of doctors near and far, and all had said, She cannot live, rose from her bed and rushed out in the way as Jesus passed.
17) She said within herself,
If I can touch his garment, then I know I will be well.
18 ) She touched him, and at once the bleeding ceased and she was well.
19) And Jesus felt that healing power had gone from him, and speaking to the multitude, he said,
20) Who was it touched my coat?
21) And Peter said,
No one can tell; the multitudes are pressing you; a score of people may have touched your coat.
22) But Jesus said,
Some one in faith, with healing thought, did touch my coat, for healing virtues have gone forth from me.
23) And when the woman knew that what she did was known, she came and knelt at Jesus' feet and told it all.
24) And Jesus said,
Your faith has made you whole, go on your way in peace.
25) Now, as he spoke, a servant from the home of Jairus came and said,
My master, Jairus, trouble not the Lord to come; your child is dead.
26) But Jesus said,
Jairus, man of faith, do not permit your faith to waver in this trying hour.
27) What is it that the servant said? The child is dead? Lo, what is death?
28 ) It is the passing of the soul out of the house of flesh.
29) Man is the master of the soul and of its house. When man has risen up from doubt and fear, lo, he can cleanse the empty house and bring the tenant back again.
30) Then taking with him Peter, James and John, Jairus and the mother of the child, he went into the chamber of the dead.
31) And when the doors were closed against the multitude, he spoke a word that souls can understand, and then he took the maiden by the hand and said,
32) Talith cumi, child, arise!
The maiden's soul returned and she arose and asked for food.
33) And all the people of the city were amazed, and many would have worshipped Jesus as a God.
34) But, like a phantom of the night, he disappeared and went his way.
And Willow, so you really can't see any value in the great truths he spoke, and the beautiful and moving words he put them in? That would be because you're not open to them, you don't even like the idea of Jesus, and would want to deny he even existed.
While I don't think any sincere spiritual seekers could fail to find some of value it. In fact, I would say most seriously interested in philosphy would find much to think about. So can't you at least see how it's something that could be helpful to others?
Because that's what I wanted to share these messages for, and because it's maybe the most impressive spiritual text I've seen, so I thought why not share it so it could be of some benefit to others?. Not just to get on your nerves or undermine your position on the board, like you seem to believe.
While I don't think any sincere spiritual seekers could fail to find some of value it. In fact, I would say most seriously interested in philosphy would find much to think about. So can't you at least see how it's something that could be helpful to others?
Because that's what I wanted to share these messages for, and because it's maybe the most impressive spiritual text I've seen, so I thought why not share it so it could be of some benefit to others?. Not just to get on your nerves or undermine your position on the board, like you seem to believe.
This was interesting as well.
http://www.ewao.com/a/2000-year-old...ncient-tradition-from-the-time-of-king-david/
A new view on Christianity. What a surprise.
http://www.ewao.com/a/2000-year-old...ncient-tradition-from-the-time-of-king-david/
A new view on Christianity. What a surprise.
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What are your thoughts on the notion that you are a real daughter of God and a Goddess in your own right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbesfXXw&feature=player_embedded
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if thereforethine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man loveme, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come untohim, and make our abode with him.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinateto be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn amongmany brethren.
You might remember that to the Karaite Jews and Gnostic Christians, man is above God and can overrule what people think God says.
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The sun expresses itself with it's rays.
It's rays are what you feel and you can never get close enough to the sun to know it.
All you can know is all the little rays.
That is why you and all of us should put ourselves above God. We are the only bits of God we can ever know.
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What is your angle? Is it Luciferianism? Or I don't know where this constant incitation to rebellion against God comes from. I mean, it's quite literally the only thought in your head. As I said, it would be like a ray rebelling against its sun. It's what sustains it to begin with. Not very wise, or even feasible.
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Jesus preached rebellion against God. That is why he took the judgement seat and basically retired God.
If you do not have what it takes to do what some call growing up, then remain off your own Mother Complex judgement seat and just follow the thinking of others instead of leading your own thinking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU
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I think I'll lead my own thinking, especially if the other choice is following yours.
When Jesus said he was God he meant it as the Indians would mean it. That he was self-realised and had realised God within him. Well, he might have been a bit more than that.
But if someone says "I am God" in the West people will want to lock you up. If someone says the same thing in India they will say "I'm glad you have finally found out", as the saying goes.
When Jesus said he was God he meant it as the Indians would mean it. That he was self-realised and had realised God within him. Well, he might have been a bit more than that.
But if someone says "I am God" in the West people will want to lock you up. If someone says the same thing in India they will say "I'm glad you have finally found out", as the saying goes.
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