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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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alasdairm said:
i am rewatching the debate.

hillary pointed out the donald's hypocrisy for whining about trade while using foreign products and foreign workers. his response was that his using chinese workers instead of american workers was hillary's fault for allowing him to do it.

such fail.

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That's why he is a successful business man. He has stated many times he doesn't like the fact that he has to go to china for production. My boss is about to do the same in order to stay profitable.
Hilary wants to raise income taxes on the rich. That is likely fine by the rich since they make the bulk of their money in capital gains. Furthermore the rich already pay the majority of the tax burden. All so the government can have a greater fund to misappropriate.
Bill Clinton made the law that allowed trump to carry his billion dollar loss in 95 for 18 years Of not paying income taxes. It is a good law that promotes entrepreneurial endeavors. If Hilary takes such issue with it why didn't she try and do something about it all the years she has been in Washington?
People are idiots to think a woman, who has never created a job and profited off of one of the highest offices in the land, is going to bring anything but more of the same and worse. She has done nothing and is a terrible person. What the Clinton foundation did to Haiti is incomprehensible imo evil, evil people
 
I listened to the debate last night. What I got out of it is that Hillary thinks we shouldn't let toddlers buy guns (agreed, but I was unaware that was a problem) and Donald thinks he should have won an Emmy (disagree). Both of them have quite a lot of trouble answering the damn question and staying on topic.
 
I don't even see a point in this thread anymore. Trumps lost. No candidate in American history has managed to come back from being this far behind in the polls this late in the campaign.

I say to the republicans, the not insane ones (shut it democrats, they do exist). Take this as a learning experience. When you're voting on who will get the number one spot on the ticket, you need to remember that your choice is going to have to convince everyone ELSE after the primaries. Trump has spent all his time appealing exclusively to voters he convinced months ago, and making enemies out of everyone else

And yes, to those who think trump still has any hope of winning, if he actually wins for any reason other than some as yet unknown catastrophic disaster for clinton, like a video tape of her personally torturing cute animals or dying or announcing she's an atheist or something equally suicidel for a presidential campaign, I will never discuss politics on blue light again cause clearly I have no idea what I'm talking about.

Why do you think she's being so low profile lately. She knows she's won, all she has to do now is NOT commit political suicide and she wins by default. And it's all the fault of trump and the republicans who put him on the ticket. Take it as an expensive lesson to pick someone who isn't a crazy sexual predator next time around, cause you could have won if you'd done that. This election was winnable, Clinton has plenty working against her but the extreme wing of the republican party fucked it up for the rest.
 
Tranced said:
Is he though? Surely he's saying what his advisory team... advise, at the very least. Not to mention what role more specialist groups may play. I don't think its paranoid to assume that this is the case.

I think its incredibly clear that the two main parties in the UK are essentially two separate factions serving the same interests. Just turn the news on and see how Jeremy Corbin is villafied by his own party.

My view is that Trump isn't very clever, Hillary probably is, but they're both evil, so fuck them both.
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I don't think he's saying what his advisors say at all. If he's following what his advisors are telling him to do to get elected, he must have some of the worst advisors of any presidential campaign in history. I think it's far more likely he thinks he's smarter than or better than his advisors and can win the election his way. He DID with the nomination his way. That sent against classical political advise too, but it worked. But it clearly isn't going to work to win the presidency. Which makes the strategy ultimately a failure.

Before he was nominated, I thought he might be smart and was just using the extremists to get the nomination, and then he'd shift strategy to win the election. I was wrong, he didn't shift tactics, it just turns out he really was one of the extremists, it wasn't an act.
 
Early voting looking huge already. The only question now is how much he's going to lose by. It could be legendary.

JessFR said:
Before he was nominated, I thought he might be smart and was just using the extremists to get the nomination, and then he'd shift strategy to win the election. I was wrong, he didn't shift tactics, it just turns out he really was one of the extremists, it wasn't an act.
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Count me in this corner, I had no idea he was that unhinged I thought he was a cunning strategist. I guess it could all be a viral ad for Trump TV and he has no interests to be president. This makes sense too since Hillaries policies will benefit him immensely. If it's an act it's a really good act. He might have Alzheimers for real.
 
Trump's Razor: "ascertain the stupidest possible scenario that can be reconciled with the available facts and that answer is likely correct."
 
I found this on facebook in a group I'm in and I agree with it:

Hillary and Bill take millions of dollars from countries that throw us gay and bisexual men off buildings and burn us in cages. She “champions LGBT rights?” Nice pandering, old lady and no you have not evolved one bit. A huge record number of bisexual and gay/lesbian women and men were kicked out from the military from Don't ask, Don't Tell and your "husband" created DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act). What about my right simply to “live”, my safety and that of my family? (Clinton wants no borders, unvetted refugees, an emasculated military, abolition of the second amendment, horrific curtailing of the first amendment and has a price for anything nefarious or treasonous to the country. She also wants to bring over 500,000 of these people to the United States who hate LGBT people and the Western world. The woman is pure evil. I don't like Donald either but that's why I am voting for Jill Stein.

Many "liberals"are very clueless and blind.

They don't even understand that even if Russia was behind the email releases, the fact remains that the emails exist. But, they want to stick their heads in the sand while Clinton uses it to beat the drums of war.
Many analysts, including some former advisers to Democrat leaders, state that we are closer to nuclear war now than during the cold war... BECAUSE OF HER. Not to mention the amount of sheer McCarthyism in what she and her minions spout.

The sad thing is they don't even realize that Clinton isn't liberal. She is a moderate conservative, and is not really progressive or even for human rights, women's rights, or LGBT rights at all. Yet, they ignore her flaws just because they are too weak to seek out new, diverse political ideas such as voting for Jill Stein as I am doing, or supporting and voting for Gary Johnson as a lot of my friends and family are.
 
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first time Moore said Trump was going to win I was like, "bet he's working on a movie"... And I was right. Trump doesn't have a prayer of winning and he hasn't since before the first debate.
 
alpha_centauri said:
I found this on facebook in a group I'm in and I agree with it:

Hillary and Bill take millions of dollars from countries that throw us gay and bisexual men off buildings and burn us in cages. She “champions LGBT rights?” Nice pandering, old lady and no you have not evolved one bit. A huge record number of bisexual and gay/lesbian women and men were kicked out from the military from Don't ask, Don't Tell and your "husband" created DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act). What about my right simply to “live”, my safety and that of my family? (Clinton wants no borders, unvetted refugees, an emasculated military, abolition of the second amendment, horrific curtailing of the first amendment and has a price for anything nefarious or treasonous to the country. She also wants to bring over 500,000 of these people to the United States who hate LGBT people and the Western world. The woman is pure evil. I don't like Donald either but that's why I am voting for Jill Stein.

Many "liberals"are very clueless and blind.

They don't even understand that even if Russia was behind the email releases, the fact remains that the emails exist. But, they want to stick their heads in the sand while Clinton uses it to beat the drums of war.
Many analysts, including some former advisers to Democrat leaders, state that we are closer to nuclear war now than during the cold war... BECAUSE OF HER. Not to mention the amount of sheer McCarthyism in what she and her minions spout.

The sad thing is they don't even realize that Clinton isn't liberal. She is a moderate conservative, and is not really progressive or even for human rights, women's rights, or LGBT rights at all. Yet, they ignore her flaws just because they are too weak to seek out new, diverse political ideas such as voting for Jill Stein as I am doing, or supporting and voting for Gary Johnson as a lot of my friends and family are.
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Are you suggesting we fight a war on Saudi Arabia and Iran?
 
alpha_centauri said:
Many "liberals"are very clueless and blind.

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they ignore her flaws just because they are too weak to seek out new, diverse political ideas
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Don't you realize that people on the opposite side of the spectrum are saying the exact same things about you? Maybe those on both sides of the spectrum who simplify the issue to be "liberals vs conservatives" are the ones that are clueless, blind, and too feeble-minded to seek out new, diverse political ideals? After all, it is you who are latching onto the dated political labels of liberal and conservative. It is you who think that the complex, widely-ranging political beliefs of the nearly half of the nation that is voting differently than you can be adequately described with one word.
 
mal3volent said:
first time Moore said Trump was going to win I was like, "bet he's working on a movie"... And I was right. Trump doesn't have a prayer of winning and he hasn't since before the first debate.
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It's really a smart move too because it rallies the base to get out and vote and the more people the vote the more likely dems can take back the house and senate. Unlike Trump who is disheartening his would be voters. Why bother voting if the election is rigged? Even if all of you vote it's pointless, why waste your vote?
 
alpha_centauri said:
I found this on facebook in a group I'm in and I agree with it:

Hillary and Bill take millions of dollars from countries that throw us gay and bisexual men off buildings and burn us in cages. She “champions LGBT rights?” Nice pandering, old lady and no you have not evolved one bit. A huge record number of bisexual and gay/lesbian women and men were kicked out from the military from Don't ask, Don't Tell and your "husband" created DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act). What about my right simply to “live”, my safety and that of my family? (Clinton wants no borders, unvetted refugees, an emasculated military, abolition of the second amendment, horrific curtailing of the first amendment and has a price for anything nefarious or treasonous to the country. She also wants to bring over 500,000 of these people to the United States who hate LGBT people and the Western world. The woman is pure evil. I don't like Donald either but that's why I am voting for Jill Stein.

Many "liberals"are very clueless and blind.

They don't even understand that even if Russia was behind the email releases, the fact remains that the emails exist. But, they want to stick their heads in the sand while Clinton uses it to beat the drums of war.
Many analysts, including some former advisers to Democrat leaders, state that we are closer to nuclear war now than during the cold war... BECAUSE OF HER. Not to mention the amount of sheer McCarthyism in what she and her minions spout.

The sad thing is they don't even realize that Clinton isn't liberal. She is a moderate conservative, and is not really progressive or even for human rights, women's rights, or LGBT rights at all. Yet, they ignore her flaws just because they are too weak to seek out new, diverse political ideas such as voting for Jill Stein as I am doing, or supporting and voting for Gary Johnson as a lot of my friends and family are.
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A lot of people get money from Saudi Arabia because they are so rich, including Trump his foundation and the Bush family. Trump has said he is going to put in place supreme court justices that will repel the equal marriage act, LGTBQ protection laws and remove ROE VS WADE as a cherry on top. I don't care what Hillary has done in the past at least she can be controlled by progressive,Trump can't and will bend to the GOP and Russia.

Study Russia to see what the religious right wants to do in our country. A dictatorship that shits all over gay people, minorities and the opposition and puts the "free market" oligarchy in power while the middle class and poor suffer.
 
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