the lounge discussion v. september 2016

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kytnism said:
i too am not sure exactly how it would operate but would possibly take a model from our own workplaces and tweak it to suit the needs of the website? i also wondered how we could go about preventing situations such as unfair removal or personal critiques but figure if put to the board of moderators on a strictly professional standpoint surely a result of fairness and balance can be achieved? I'm not sure if you were on staff back when moderators had a quota of moderator actions or participation in their own forums that was expected for you to retain their position on staff? but it seemed to keep participation at a high level and those who did not fill that need were more than happy to voluntarily step down with the knowledge that if they wanted to return at a time where they had more availability they were welcome to. maybe something such as that could be bought back into effect?

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Interesting. No, I was on staff like...2009-2010? 2011? That was not during the time of moderator quota's. Im not sure how that would help as in many cases the mod is just around to maintain the flow of the forum and not to dictate how it operates. I feel like having a mod action quota would potentially lead to erroneous or even egregious actions as a means of keeping ones position, thus hurting the forum rather than helping it. Think of it this way, do traffic ticket quota's actually help keep drivers and pedestrians more safe?

Position review is something that would need careful consideration in regard to set up but I think its something that could only help the forum overall. Maybe have review done by a non-biased third party? Im just not sure how that would work just yet.
 
Bomboclat said:
I didnt say add new rules, I said re-work to better fit the community and the BLUA. There's a (subtle) difference there....Its not a task that would be taken on by one person alone, that defeats the purpose of it being re-worked to fit the community.
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the moderator actions im referring to weren't regarding warnings or bans, but simply keeping your forum clean. for example, changing vague thread titles to better describe the content of the thread, moving off topic posts to the appropriate thread etc. just general housekeeping. there was never a quota per se for cracking down on the members. i agree that would just destroy the forum. i love the idea of a third party (such as bluelight crew for example) operating the performance reviewals. hopefully it would better achieve a non biased standpoint and be more fair to every staff member.

...kytnism...:|
 
kytnism said:
i love the idea of a third party (such as bluelight crew for example) operating the performance reviewals. hopefully it would better achieve a non biased standpoint and be more fair to every staff member.

...kytnism...:|
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Thank you for clarifying, that makes sense about the quotas. I like your idea about reviews being done by crew members. I think thats a fun perk that would also help keep mods in check overall.
 
Ok, so here is another idea.


The current Lounge and its collection of threads will become The New Lounge(TNL). It will be public. It's rules will be reworked with the input of staff and regular members. Ideas such as position reviews will be discussed and decided on, as will senior staff participation, etc.


A new empty sub-forum will be created, let's call it The Quarantine(TQ), which will be private(not viewable by unregistered members and only BL'ers can post) and have the same rules as the current lounge did a few days ago. Staff for TQ will be the same as the current Lounge, unless they want to leave and go mod/help set up TNL. TQ will be reviewed publicly by staff and members in 6 months. It may very well be closed, merged, or deleted at that time.


It really is a win/win. The people that want TL as is get 6 months while the people that want change will get a chance to act upon that. TQ will either eat itself up or its members will jump ship to TNL as soon as new members make it enticing.
 
I think a two lounge solution is kinda dumb and going against the "unity" part of PLUR.

I also think allowing greenlighters to see what type of heathens we are is a bad one.

Has anyone not told someone they were dating they were on this site? I know I never bring up the sight but lets say a gf catches a glimpse of my sn and then reads about what a bitch she was the other day and lets suppose I had to apologize cuz I wanted her to stfu so I can sleep?

So basically making the lounge public to greenlighters will fuck out privacy as the lounge is where people share about their lives instead of the typical "OMG how do I make it 24 hours to get on subs or OMG is this infected", yeah I don't like it when people have one post and ask a question like that and the worst is the one poster who is like "So I want to do 3 bags and a xanax bar and I never did smack before but I can take X amount of vicodin" and I usually think the poster of that nature is a cop or just too dumb to live and natural selection to take place.

A two lounge thing is gonna open a fucking Pandora's box and so will making it availigle to greenlighters because droppers will have so many accounts and way to bend over backwards to let him back in the lounge.

So if its gonna be two lounges I think that is gonna cause a myriad of headaches, unwanted guests, intrusion of privacy, too many people to have at once, and a fuckload of ALTs so basically Droppers paradiase. Why don't you just let him go the Reddit? We are so close.

That being said I am not on staff so I am not the one who is going to have to deal with all this, so as you were.

Stiil, don't expect me to tell you anything funny about a chick once I move in with her or she moves in with me.
 
Bomboclat said:
Thank you, Kytn.

I agree that position review should be included in the administrative side of things moving forward, however I am unsure how we can insure checks and balances there. Who's not to say the lounge moderators/smods/admin wouldn't just out someone they didn't agree with, a la Owlie or OTW? (I understand there was a conflict with COTB in the case of Busty's removal but I know its goes deeper than that).
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I actually got sacked because a 17 yr old kid posted he was high and attacked his father with a knife. I sided with the father and the bitches in the dark side said this was wrong and we should support a junky kid because, you know drugs. Apparently if you disagree with a junky you are bullying

Incidentally none of those bitches even post on bluelight any more.
 
phr said:
Ok, so here is another idea.


The current Lounge and its collection of threads will become The New Lounge(TNL). It will be public. It's rules will be reworked with the input of staff and regular members. Ideas such as position reviews will be discussed and decided on, as will senior staff participation, etc.


A new empty sub-forum will be created, let's call it The Quarantine(TQ), which will be private(not viewable by unregistered members and only BL'ers can post) and have the same rules as the current lounge did a few days ago. Staff for TQ will be the same as the current Lounge, unless they want to leave and go mod/help set up TNL. TQ will be reviewed publicly by staff and members in 6 months. It may very well be closed, merged, or deleted at that time.


It really is a win/win. The people that want TL as is get 6 months while the people that want change will get a chance to act upon that. TQ will either eat itself up or its members will jump ship to TNL as soon as new members make it enticing.
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How does this differ from your previous suggestion of two separate forum? (Fora?)
 
phr said:
Ok, so here is another idea.


The current Lounge and its collection of threads will become The New Lounge(TNL). It will be public. It's rules will be reworked with the input of staff and regular members. Ideas such as position reviews will be discussed and decided on, as will senior staff participation, etc.


A new empty sub-forum will be created, let's call it The Quarantine(TQ), which will be private(not viewable by unregistered members and only BL'ers can post) and have the same rules as the current lounge did a few days ago. Staff for TQ will be the same as the current Lounge, unless they want to leave and go mod/help set up TNL. TQ will be reviewed publicly by staff and members in 6 months. It may very well be closed, merged, or deleted at that time.


It really is a win/win. The people that want TL as is get 6 months while the people that want change will get a chance to act upon that. TQ will either eat itself up or its members will jump ship to TNL as soon as new members make it enticing.
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SSL should be implemented as well.

(Safe Space Lounge)
 
Bomboclat said:
How does this differ from your previous suggestion of two separate forum? (Fora?)
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The previous suggestion was that TNL would be a brand new empty forum. That would set it up with a disadvantage, as there wouldn't be any threads. The second suggestion was that TNL is made out of TL and would inherit its threads and therefore history, while TQ would be an empty forum essentially set up to fail. It would provide a smooth transition to TNL and give people a choice, an opportunity to vote with their posts, if you will.

Edit: It's shot down for unknown reasons.
Thanks, Obama!
 
the suggestion of two forums is kindred to the "redlight" social experiment. a group of loungers that were banned for repeatedly breaking the rules decided to do something similar to reddit and encouraged bluelighters to join them with the promise of there being no rules, no bannings, no boundaries etc. tldr; noone followed them and those who dropped by the site did so to troll it enraging the creators and seeing it quickly die. this concept is not a new one and is not the sole instance of individuals attempting to divide the community based on personal desire. what is being asked for here is input on how to improve what we already have to suit the needs of the entire community, not handfuls of people with separate visions.

...kytnism...:|
 
Bomboclat said:
We already have that though, don't we? What is your subreddit other than a crude acting out of phro's plan?
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Not the same though as being on site. If we could save it that would be ideal. But let's face it the bulk of Us arnt going to make it in a eaad style lounge. Posters will drop like flies (or at least the ones I post in tl to interact with)
 
kytnism said:
the suggestion of two forums is kindred to the "redlight" social experiment. a group of loungers that were banned for repeatedly breaking the rules decided to do something similar to reddit and encouraged bluelighters to join them with the promise of there being no rules, no bannings, no boundaries etc. tldr; noone followed them and those who dropped by the site did so to troll it enraging the creators and seeing it quickly die. this concept is not a new one and is not the sole instance of individuals attempting to divide the community based on personal desire. what is being asked for here is input on how to improve what we already have to suit the needs of the entire community, not handfuls of people with separate visions.

...kytnism...:|
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Thank you. I know drippers wasn't around for Redlight and phrozen wasn't a lounge rat but that's exactly what it reminds me of.

Ask Rico and guido how Redlight turned out.
 
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