PLEASE HELP..addicted again..switching from oxy to H to save money until the winter?.

[stuck003]

And I'm sorry to anyone if I come off frustrated..... I'm so stressed out.... I worked so hard years ago to get clean....and then this year I get so sick that it made me give in and start with the pills again..... I truly don't want to start using heroin again. But I think it's just so expensive. I so much just want to start Suboxone also. And I just don't the week that it takes to get it all together and started..Due to work and stuff until winter... I work at a job where I deal directly with customers all day long face to face so I can't be in withdrawal or seem strange from or transitioning to serve... I have enough Oxy to last for 13 more days.... And yes I'm scared to death.... I didn't want this again.... And I am afraid of the chance that this time I can't quit with using suboxone.... I just truly feel so stuck....... Can someone please remind me if snorting H in small amounts will feel the same as my small lines of oxy 30mg...? I don't want to OD.... I'm hoping I can find a way to get the oxy by this weekend at a affordable price....if not I will probably be stuck getting the H....

 

[Cliffy78]

What's up stuck! I was in a somewhat similar situation and it was due to a stomach problem as well. It took the drs awhile to figure out wtf was wrong with me, I had extreme pain in the upper part of my stomach that radiated to my back and if I ate the pain and nausea intensified, turns out that it was chronic pancreatitis. I went down to about 100lbs and lives on the ensures too, a miserable way to live for sure. I used to drink an awful lot so the doc put 2 and 2 together and thank god they were right. It doesn't show up on any tests most of the time but they saw some blood work wasn't right and were finally able to dx me correctly, since then it hasn't shown on any tests so it's hit and miss as to whether it will show up. You might want to mention this disease to ur dr cuz they might be not be thinking of it...
Anyways as far as it being a harder transition from h to sub vs oxy I think it's about the same ime. When sniffed the h feels exactly like oxy to me just a lot stronger. I thought, like you, that the h would save me money and it did at first, but due to quality issues and roa I needed more and more just to treat my pain and other issues. Now I'm about a year in since the switch and spending more than I did on Oxys, and that's with a script for oxy 15s.
I've been in ur situation though and we all do what we gotta do to survive with some sort of quality of life so by no means am I trying steer u one way or the other, I just wanted you to have all the info u may need before u make the switch so u make the best choice for u and ur family. That's the only difference in our stories is I don't have anyone that depends on me except me so I just said fuck it and made the switch. I honestly don't know if I'd do it differently if I could go back, just being honest. I'm spending about 2k a month on dope now and I don't get high, it's totally fucked and I'm in a state with all that fentanyl shit and supposedly awesome dope but after a bit u adapt and it doesn't work unless u up the dosage. The shit doesn't even really help my pain anymore and there's really nowhere else to turn from here, it's a dead end. Well I can go on and on talking forever but I think I answered ur questions and u don't wanna hear me yapping all day so I'll stfu now. Whatever you do I wish u all the best and if there's anything else you need just let me know and if I can help I certainly will, take care and god bless brother...

 

[justtakethat]

I don't understand why you don't taper off of opiates. If you have will power it's 100% doable.

 

[ImSTILLtrying]

to the OP - you are answering your own question. you say it yourself, you are able to make the switch to dope. so not sure what you are here looking for? instead, we are speaking the truth, by saying you are more than able to make the switch to Suboxone w/o putting up the fight that you mention; there will be NO DAYS where you feel down and out. YOU DO NOT NEED TO WAIT TO GO INTO WITHDRAWAL FOR IT TO WORK; yes, its been said many times but 80% of those have no waited and it worked fine based on numbers and statistics read.

but.. ill tell you this. YOU DO NOT WANT TO STOP, right? thats the truth. so the answer is, YES, you can switch from 90MG of Oxy/Perc to a G (gram) of Heroin daily. which I assume would be the transfer but slowly use that dope over the course of the day. and since you are sniffing, YES, you are a bit more safe than your average shooter but at the same time its never the best option. I know, I've been using for 10+ years and always fight the battle. but, do what you feel is right or best for you. dope and the opiates you are currently on will give you the same type WD's, so no worries.

 

[ImSTILLtrying]

also thre thing i forgot to ask is.....How many days did you have to not use to start sub safely...? Ive been sick for so long that i cant bare the thought of making mysel sicker currently

days? more like hours, if anything. all dependent upon the person. I never had to wait more than 12hrs before starting Suboxone; I also never experienced any type of WD.

 

[Cliffy78]

I agree with that, I've never had to wait more than 12hrs before switching to the sub but it's different for everyone I guess. From everything I've read from people's experience with subs it seems to be about 70/30 in favor of about 12hrs, I've dosed sub after 6 hrs but I wouldn't recommend that to everyone...
You've got serious pain issues though so I get it bro, but if ur gonna switch to subs anyways you might as well just go straight to the subs and not bother with the dope. That just seems like common sense but I know how it is to live in pain and it sucks balls. Ttyl bro

 

[stuck003]

cliffy....thanks.... It for some reason felt good hearing someone just say they understand.... I cry every day..... I apologize so much......even though I and my wife both know that I didnt just go start getting high ......I was very sick for several weeks....and with no answers from the doctors and feeling on the brink of suicide.....(after telling the dr's that this is pushing me to really want to start taking pills again to get some relief.....so I did.....and hoped that like the doctors said...thatmy stomach would get better soon and i wouldnt need to take them for long....Here I am 6 months later....stabalized, but not better..... still take pills for pain and depression relief (and to prevent withdrawal)still cant eat a regular meal.... I havnt been able to take my family out to dinner or host a cookout all summer, because I cant eat.... and when it comes to having to figure out what i can eat...it raises my stress even higher....because eating makes me sick..... And my work has been understanding with me being sick when ive had to come in late due to throwing up (mornings are the worse for me) But if my work finds out that Iam on pills.....they will think that this whole 6 months of me not feeling good and seeing doctors was a lie....and probably think that i was really throwing up from not having drugs or something....(which is not true...I have not been in withdrawal at all because I made sure to have a continuious supply.... I only use the minimum to feel ok.... i use less then 90 mg's when I dont have to start work as early.....most days I start work at 6am...some days at 10am... of course i use more in a day im awake longer..... And yes I am afraid to quit.... I AM TRULY IN ALOT OF PAIN AT TIMES.... and the combo of oxy and weed allow me to consume some foods like greek yogurt and oatmeal...and some other food items besides just Ensure...... So no I really dont want to have to stop taking something that has been helping me get a piece of my life back...( i wish the doctor could prescribe them to me just until they can figure out what is wrong with me) but I am ready to stop because I'd rather try being in pain...or hope the suboxone helps some with the pain, then spend all my money on expensive oxy) I know most people think im on here lying to myself and trying to find a way to keep getting high.... but thats not the case at all......I want suboxone...I want it all to be over..... I wanted to try and start suboxone this tuesday 9/6... but then I remembered My son starts 2nd grade on tuesday....And my wife said she doesnt want him to have to start school witrh me going through withdrawal...he is very sensetive and with him seeing me spending alot of time in the hospital this winter and throwing up often and me not eating in general... he is already very scared that his daddy is dying.... so I cant send him to start school with me hiding in my room in withdrawal... he needs me therefor him...there to walk him to school...( we live close enough to where we dont have to drive) and i know with the drugs theres a big risk i might screw it all up and end up not being able to be there for him...which is why im just trying to figure out how to keep everything balanced as possible..... because if I lose my job and we lose our home....then I know for sure our family and marriage would fall apart with all the added stress... and I need to be in my own bed to lay down and deal with not feeling well...I couldnt get better if we are homeless...Ive been buying 20 dollar scratchoffs lately in hopes I can win a million and have enough monet to be able to take time off of work and fix myself...... Im rambling...I know.....my thoughts never stop racing....my stress is going to give me a heart attack... and thanks to anyone and all who took time out of their day to read and think about my situation.....PEACE AND LOVE TO ALL

 

[stuck003]

p.s. Can I really start suboxone with no precipricated withdrawal even with using oxy the day before....??? Ive been reading online that you need to be at a certain level of withdrawal before taking it or it will make you sicker than regular withdrawal....so im not sure .....but i know years ago.....I didnt use for a day and a half before starting suboxone..... and I remember being very scared that it wasnt long enough

 

[keeping]

p.s. Can I really start suboxone with no precipricated withdrawal even with using oxy the day before....??? Ive been reading online that you need to be at a certain level of withdrawal before taking it or it will make you sicker than regular withdrawal....so im not sure .....but i know years ago.....I didnt use for a day and a half before starting suboxone..... and I remember being very scared that it wasnt long enough

i tend to be able to take my bupe about 6 hours after my last dose of h. you don't have to be in full-blown withdrawal

 

[Ilove2nod]

It only takes me like anywhere from 8-12 hours no matter what full agonist opioid I use before after using I can safely take sub with no precipitated withdrawls. I also have a super fast metabolism so that could be why it doesn't take very long. But in all honesty where ever your hearing that you need to wait a WEEK before switching from full agonist opioids like oxy or H to Subs is pure non-sense, don't listen to that its not true. AT THE VERY MOST wait like 48 hours to make the switch, and I highly doubt you would go into any kind of withdrawls, I mean even if you wait just 12-24 hrs you would most likely be ok, but if you are that worried about going into precipitated withdrawl from the sub than wait like 30-48 hours and go on it. I can tell you would rather do dope than go on sub, and if that's the case you may not stick to the subs and just keep doing oxy or dope but all it takes is a little willpower to make the switch. Like I said before, for that first few days to a week(more or less) after making the switch from full agonist opiates to bupe you may still crave oxy or H, but you wont be sick and its just going to be a mental thing at worst with the subs and that will most likely go away after switching from one to the other. And also I don't know which ROA you used for your subs before, but let me say that although your supposed to take subs under your tongue, that sublingual is the worst ROA, next to taking it orally to me and it only has like a 30% bioavailability I believe, or something like that very low. So for some people they don't think it works because they think you can only take sub sublingually since that's what the doctors say. NOT TRUE, sniffing and plugging bupe of any kind from suboxone to subutex(everything but the buprenorphine transdermal patches and buprenex which is liquid form of bupe made to IV or IM, I guess you could plug it maybe. though its rarely ever prescribed.) work very well, much better than sublingual does and so does IV too, but I highly advise not doing that.. REALLY don't do it! Plugging would be the safest and most effective method to take bupe(other than IV which isn't safe at all, but stronger), it lasts just as long as sublingual if not longer, and it works way better that way IME! Truly ask anyone who has tried bupe both ways will tell you plugging is way better and more efficient than sub'l. Sniffing isn't good for you and I don't really entirely recommend as it isn't as safe as plugging or sub'l, but if it will help you get off oxy or dope it is cheaper and safer(as far as ODing) to sniff bupe than any full agonist opiate your getting off the streets, and it also feels pretty good once you get used to it, but if you do this I would advise to get the pill form of suboxone in generic tabs, zubsolv, or subutex as they are much easier to do any ROA you want with. This is the only way I could make my self like bupe is by switching ROAs to different ones than sunlingual, by doing this I basically traded one addiction for another though at least with sniffing it, but its bupe and its safer than sniffing H that is for sure, plus I am legally prescribed it and don't have to worry about going out and copping shit everyday, so even if you do this your still better off than doing oxy or H. Try plugging it first though if you get back on it, and it will feel so much stronger than taking it under your tongue, also like I said I am not recommending you sniff it either as sniffing any pill is bad for you, just stating a fact that it works better that way. It sucks that the way bupe is meant to be taken is like the second worse ROA, sublingual, and the worst ROA is swallowing it whole or taking it orally BUT also I cant say this for sure works but I have heard swishing alcohol along with bupe under your tongue makes it like 2x stronger or something when taken sublingually so I guess you could try that too. In this order I will list the weakest to strongest ROA for bupe and this isn't my opinioin its a fact:
Orally
Sublingual
Sniffing
Plugging
IV

 

[stuck003]

and to double check.....my one last question would be...If I just did small bumps of H throughout the day like i do with the oxy...will it feel about the same.... I dont want to be nodding out or for it to be too noticable.... with the oxy....there is nothing that anyone can notice....as I dont take enough to nod out and look messed up.... so can i do the same with h or will it make me nod no matter what......maybe i will get luck and find a way to start suboxone or find the oxy at a cheaper price before i have to use the H to avoid withdrawal

 

[keeping]

and to double check.....my one last question would be...If I just did small bumps of H throughout the day like i do with the oxy...will it feel about the same.... I dont want to be nodding out or for it to be too noticable.... with the oxy....there is nothing that anyone can notice....as I dont take enough to nod out and look messed up.... so can i do the same with h or will it make me nod no matter what......maybe i will get luck and find a way to start suboxone or find the oxy at a cheaper price before i have to use the H to avoid withdrawal

oxy and h both have the same effects, the only difference being you won't know the purity of your h as opposed to pharmas
yeah you can sniff it but start out really small so you can gauge the strength and go from there

you can also sniff subs

 

[stuck003]

REALLY.....Your giving me more confidence to call the doctor....I dont believe i will have any problems staying on suboxone.....my problem is i cant currently bare the thought of volentarily making myself sicker (meaning go into withdrawal to start suboxone) after constantly being sick.....just the thought of even a day of withdrawal is something that im not mentally prepared for.... see even while on these pills and weed I still wake up vomiting and go through severe pains and sickness....so the thought of having to make myself sicker before starting suboxone sends me into a panic..... because I honestly almost killed myself back in the winter...and I dont want to risk putting myself in a position of where I think about suicide.... I dont want to leave my family..... and all of these things are what adds up to making me feel completely stuck at the moment

 

[stuck003]

thanks "keeping" i came on here to gather what opinions and info I could obtain....So I can put it all in my head...think about all the different options and possibilities...So that I can hopefully choose the safest and best option to get me through my situation and to my end goal of findind out whats wrong with me and to get back off opiates again....
P.S. Is it common or possible to use a safe powder to weaken your H so that its not too strong....or is it best to just take really tiny bumps

 

[keeping]

^ no worries pal, you should only have to wait a day max between you last dose of oxy and your first of subs, but everyone is different and i have never needed to wait that long (i always take mine about 6 hours after my last dose of heroin). i know my account is subjective but there's no need to be rolling around on the floor howling in pain, in fact on my instruction leaflet it says to take my tablets when the 'first signs of withdrawals and/or cravings appear.'

and sorrry i don't quite know what you mean by a 'safe powder', do you mean cutting your own h with some inactive chemical? if so, don't do that, just start very small and work your way up in increments. but come on mate, seems like your cycle of addiction and relapse is taking a huge toll on you, get on the subs, they're not some miracle cure, but they're a lot better than your other options/

 

[stuck003]

also.... I used to do about 3 10$ city stamp bags a day of H a day..... Anyone can estamate how much comes in a 10$ bag on average.... because if i get H this time I will be buying it in a larger quantity....because I was trying to guesstamate around how much h I would end up useing per day...if that is the path i choose

 

[keeping]

i'm from the UK, here we just have "bags" or "b's" which contain 0.1mg of heroin (basically one dose).

 

[stuck003]

yes all of this is taking a huge toll on me.....even thiugh im not sneaking around behind my wifes back and stuff....and I do actually use them "medicinally" this time....I still feel extremely guilty because I made a promise to myself years ago that I would never let myself get dependant on a susbtance again.....but I got sick and now here I am...."stuck" but I have a beautiful wife of 12 years....and a wonderful smart special little boy....I am just not set up financially to take time off at the momen from work..... in the golf business.... I try to make as much as I can and work as much as I can before the winter layoff......And I originally became hooked to percs about 12 ish years ago after a hernia surgery..... yes I took percs a couple times before for fun.... But I was given 2 90 ct scripts of 5mg oxy and 1 script of 90 vicoden.....(way more than i needed) I wasa very naive to them back then and was not explained the dangers.... So i took them post sugery for pain....enjoyed them and kept taking them until thet were gone....then i went into withdrawal which caught me completly by surprise because I had no idea they were even addicting......I thought i was just a medicine that also made me feel good....but no more dangerous then tylenol....boy was i wrong..... so I continued to buy oxy back then and being younger... I enjoyed being high by then...( i was already hooked anyway) and after some years of oxy it led to H because it was cheaper and my oxy person started taking them herself...so i couldnt get oxy anymore.....so I did H for probably 2 years quitting a few times but not being able to stay clean...then i stumble across suboxone....and got on that.....tapered down after 2 years of suboxone and quit suboxone with no more then restless legs and irratability.... but I cant remember the small details like the exact transition to suboxone...or how i felt the first few days on suboxone.....those memories are all a blur....... And yes I know I liked H..... so Im afraid that it will be better than oxy and i will like it more than i like oxy.....which would make it harder to quit.....because i know that I feel too guilty about being on oxy again...that i cant even enjoy the high....hell i literally cry half the time i snort a line

 

[Ilove2nod]

There is numerous posts from people, including me, trying to tell you that you DON'T HAVE TO BE IN FULL WITHDRAWL to get on subs you can go in there today and get them If you want and just say to the doctor you are and have been withdrawing from opiates and need help. And No heroin IS NOT safer than oxy or too much different feeling generally depending on the strength of the H which super unpredictable, and yes it will most likely make you nod like it does with most people, especially right after you switch from oxy. And also, I have no idea why you would want to cut your own dope unless it was pure shit straight off the brick, even then I wouldn't do it. but hey if it were me I would start small and work my way up depending on the strength and if it was strong just do small bump when needed and no more, not cutting your own H with random powders that could make sniffing it even worse for you. A lot of H is being cut with dangerous amounts of fentanyl or RC Fent analogues that are VERY strong, too strong for a lot of people to handle and they end up Od'ing off it. I have lost a few friends because of this new trend of people cutting H with Fent. That is why I highly suggest not switching, and most people will agree with me here. I know for a fact because I did this. I switched from sniffing oxy to sniffing dope and then went from sniffing dope quickly into IVing it. You may not IV it ever, but I know a lot of people who weren't into needles at all like me before switching to dope then that is the only way they would do anything after making that switch.

I'm telling you don't do this! THIS IS THE SAFEST AND BEST OPTION! I am not trying to come off as an asshole, it is just advice! which is what you keep asking us for right? Well take this into consideration. Get on subs, take them... you DO NOT have to wait as long as a week for them to work, like you keep saying you are worried about, and there is a very good chance if you can stand 12 hours after last taking oxy to go and get subs, that you wont go into precipitated withdrawls of any kind, just to be on the safe side though if you are that scared of this happening to you, wait a day or something, but honestly like 8-12 hours usually works. If subs don't appeal to you under the tounge, then try sniffing them or plugging them(again I will say plugging is the more effective and safer option)!!! Seriously they didn't work well for me under the tongue and so I starting sniffing them when I read about how it was more effective and they worked so much better for me, to the point where I now prefer doing subs over dope, they keep me feeling good and well all day instead for a few hours like I did with H or oxy. Although that isn't much better on your nose than sniffing oxy, it definitely isn't any more dangerous and DEFINITELY not as dangerous as sniffing H with who knows what in it, where you could od and die at any given time because you don't know how strong it is, I love the feeling of oxy and H don't get me wrong, but when I saw my friends dropping like flies from it, I got back on subs and stayed there. Try doing this with low doses of sub like that 4mg(maximum dose you should use if your sniffing it, 2mg-3mg is the best for sniffing though IME) or less and you will be surprised how well it works and might even grow to like it as much as oxy or more like I do. I have actually always been able to catch a nice opiate like buzz/high doing this with sub, not everyone does though. But truly I like the feeling and know a quite a few people who are now on sub who prefer it over oxy and H since they have been on it. At least give it a try! I don't know what else to tell you besides that.

 

[keeping]

sounds awful pal, you should visit The Dark Side, they're much better equipped to deal with the psychological impact addiction has upon the user than us over here on BDD.