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50 dead in LGBT dance club shooting in Orlando FL by Islamic terrorist.

alpha_centauri

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Very sad. My heart goes out to all the victims, their families, and friends. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/break...ing-worst-in-us-history/ar-AAgW3Wb?li=BBnbkly
AP said:
ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — A gunman wielding an assault-type rifle and a handgun opened fire inside a crowded gay nightclub early Sunday, killing at least 50 people before dying in a gunfight with SWAT officers, police said. It was the worst mass shooting in American history. Authorities were investigating the attack on the Florida dance hall as an act of terrorism. The gunman's father recalled that his son got angry when he recently saw two men kissing in Miami. He said that might be related to the attack. At least 53 people were hospitalized, most in critical condition, officials said. A surgeon at Orlando Regional Medical Center said the death toll was likely to climb. Get the latest from BreakingNews.com | Click here to view live coverage from CBS News Mayor Buddy Dyer said all of the dead were killed with the assault rifle. "There's blood everywhere," Dyer said. The suspect exchanged gunfire with an officer working at the gay club known as Pulse around 2 a.m., when more than 300 people were inside. The gunman then went back inside and took hostages, Police Chief John Mina said. Around 5 a.m., authorities sent in a SWAT team to rescue the hostages. Jackie Smith, who was inside the club, said two friends next to her were shot. "Some guy walked in and started shooting everybody. He had an automatic rifle, so nobody stood a chance," Smith said. "I just tried to get out of there." Authorities were looking into whether the attack was an act of domestic or international terror, and if the shooter acted alone, according to Danny Banks, an agent with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. "This is an incident, as I see it, that we certainly classify as domestic terror incident," Orange County Sheriff Jerry Demings said. The suspect was identified as Omar Mateen of Port St. Lucie, Florida. Rep. Alan Grayson named the shooter, citing law enforcement officials. A federal law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation also confirmed the name. The official was not authorized to discuss the investigation publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity. Mateen's father, Mir Seddique, told NBC News about his son seeing the men kissing a couple of months ago. "We are saying we are apologizing for the whole incident," Seddique said. "We are in shock like the whole country." The attack had nothing to do with religion, he said. FBI agent Ron Hopper said there was no further threat to Orlando or the surrounding area. When asked if the gunman had a connection to radical Islamic terrorism, Hopper said authorities had "suggestions that individual has leanings towards that." In addition to the guns, the shooter also had some sort of "suspicious device," Mina said. Authorities said they had secured the suspect's vehicle, a van, outside the club. Relatives and friends, many in tears, gathered outside the hospital to learn the fate of loved ones. Smith did not know the conditions of her friends and came out of the hospital and burst into tears. Christine Leinonen drove to Orlando at 4 a.m. after learning of the shooting from a friend of her 32-year-old son, Christopher Leinonen, who was at Pulse and is missing. She has not heard from her son and fears the worse. "These are nonsensical killings of our children," she said, sobbing. "They're killing our babies!" She said her son's friend Brandon Wolf made it out alive by hiding in a bathroom and running out as the bullets flew. A woman who was outside the dance club early Sunday was trying to contact her 30-year-old son, Eddie, who texted her when the shooting happened and asked her to call police. He told her he ran into a bathroom with other club patrons to hide. He then texted her: "He's coming." "The next text said: 'He has us, and he's in here with us,'" Mina Justice said. "That was the last conversation." Pulse posted on its own Facebook page around 2 a.m.: "Everyone get out of Pulse and keep running." Just before 6 a.m., the club posted an update: "As soon as we have any information, we will update everyone. Please keep everyone in your prayers as we work through this tragic event. Thank you for your thoughts and love." The wounded included one police officer who was shot and suffered injuries to his face, officials said. Police had said previously on Twitter that there was a "controlled explosion" at the scene of the shooting. Mina said that noise was caused by a device intended to distract the shooter. President Barack Obama was briefed on the attack and asked for regular updates on the investigation, the White House said. Jon Alamo said he was at the back of one of the club's rooms when a man holding a weapon came into the front of the room. "I heard 20, 40, 50 shots," Alamo said. "The music stopped." Club-goer Rob Rick said the shooting started just before closing time. "Everybody was drinking their last sip," he said. He estimated more than 100 people were still inside when he heard shots, got on the ground and crawled toward a DJ booth. A bouncer knocked down a partition between the club area and an area in the back where only workers are allowed. People inside were able to then escape through the back of the club. Christopher Hansen said he was in the VIP lounge when he heard gunshots. He continued to hear shooting even after he emerged and police urged people to back away from the club. He saw the wounded being tended to across the street. "I was thinking, 'Are you kidding me?' So I just dropped down. I just said, 'Please, please, please, I want to make it out,'" he said. "And when I did, I saw people shot. I saw blood. You hope and pray you don't get shot." The attack follows the fatal shooting late Friday of 22-year-old singer Christina Grimmie, who was killed after her concert in Orlando by a 27-year-old Florida man who later killed himself. Grimmie was a YouTube sensation and former contestant on "The Voice."
 
Since the shootings here last year, practically every night club and place where large numbers of people gather has security guards who check EVERYBODY who enters. You must open any bags and hold open your coat before you can enter. Of course, those types of weapons used in the killings are not easily available to the public here, but those who are determined to kill will always find ways to get them. The FBI has not stated that the shooter was affiliated to ISIS, but it is apparently easy enough to join. And, this is an ISIS style of attack and target. Having the support of a widespread network like ISIS makes acquiring military grade weapons child's play - it takes little more than the click of a mouse to get them.
 
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I was at a friends condo literally blocks from this club at 1:30. It's unnerving to think I was so close. I was afraid that my cousin or friend could have been there both being gay and hispanic and it being latin celebration night but they were not at the club. This has hit so close to home. keeping the 53 that are still in the hospital in my prayers.
 
Cowardly fucking cunts. If it was ISIS these kinds of attacks are bound to happen the more they keep loosing in Syria and Iraq. They haven't gained any ground in a long time and continue to lose it to the non ISIS aligned interests in the region. This was a soft target and sadly they managed to exploit that. 50 dead people from shooter seems to suggest that this neanderthal knew how to use a rifle although it certainly wouldn't take much training to do this in a packed night club.

I am still not totally convinced this was ISIS though. He could very well be just a lone wolf wack job.
 
Blaming ISIS makes for a very simplistic scapegoat.
It means you can largely ignore every other discussion to be had around this subject.
 
Blaming ISIS makes for a very simplistic scapegoat.
It means you can largely ignore every other discussion to be had around this subject.

socko said:
Since the shootings here last year, practically every night club and place where large numbers of people gather has security guards who check EVERYBODY who enters. You must open any bags and hold open your coat before you can enter. Of course, those types of weapons used in the killings are not easily available to the public here, but those who are determined to kill will always find ways to get them. The FBI has not stated that the shooter was affiliated to ISIS, but it is apparently easy enough to join. And, this is an ISIS style of attack and target. Having the support of a widespread network like ISIS makes acquiring military grade weapons child's play - it takes little more than the click of a mouse to get them.

Last year? That was this year in Paris just a few months ago.

Spacejunk This guy was affiliated with ISIS. But you're an Islamic appologist, and keep in mind that most Mulsims in the world even so called "moderate" ones want bisexual, gay/lesbian people dead or in prison.

CAIRO (Reuters) - Islamic State’s Amaq news agency said on Sunday that the Islamist militant group was responsible for the shooting that killed at least 50 people in a massacre at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida.

“The armed attack that targeted a gay night club in the city of Orlando in the American state of Florida which left over 100 people dead or injured was carried out by an Islamic State fighter,” Amaq said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...oting-in-orlando_us_575dabcbe4b0ced23ca85ad5?

http://nypost.com/2016/06/12/suspected-gunman-in-florida-gay-club-mass-shooting-idd/

The shooter who killed at least 50 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando has been identified as Omar Mateen, law enforcement sources told The Post.

Mateen was a U.S. citizen with no apparent criminal history, was born to Afghan parents in New York in 1986 and was living in Port St. Lucie, Fla., according to multiple media reports.

Mateen had committed himself to ISIS before carrying out the bloodiest mass murder in US history at a gay nightclub in Orlando on Sunday, federal officials said.

Mateen “made a pledge of allegiance to ISIS,” California Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told CNN.
 
Spacejunk This guy was affiliated with ISIS. But you're an Islamic appologist, and keep in mind that most Mulsims in the world even so called "moderate" ones want bisexual, gay/lesbian people dead or in prison
Ok, i get it - you're one of these types who can't have a political discussion without name calling and associated bullshit.
But, considering i have good friends that follow the Islamic faith, i would consider the part of the above highlighted quote to be nothing short of slander.

Either way, i'm glad not to live in a country with such a stupid gun culture.
Your laws need reform.
I say this because a) i care about my family and friends in the US and b) it's the last thing the islamophobe mob want to hear.

Civilised societies don't have that level of gun crime.
 
Ok, i get it - you're one of these types who can't have a political discussion without name calling and associated bullshit.
But, considering i have good friends that follow the Islamic faith, i would consider the part of the above highlighted quote to be nothing short of slander.

Either way, i'm glad not to live in a country with such a stupid gun culture.
Your laws need reform.
I say this because a) i care about my family and friends in the US and b) it's the last thing the islamophobe mob want to hear.

Civilised societies don't have that level of gun crime.

Which specific laws need reform? Since you are from a civilized society, please let the rest of us know.
Do you think there is any legitimate criticism of the Islamic faith to be made?
 
Ok, i get it - you're one of these types who can't have a political discussion without name calling and associated bullshit.
But, considering i have good friends that follow the Islamic faith, i would consider the part of the above highlighted quote to be nothing short of slander.

Either way, i'm glad not to live in a country with such a stupid gun culture.
Your laws need reform.
I say this because a) i care about my family and friends in the US and b) it's the last thing the islamophobe mob want to hear.

Civilised societies don't have that level of gun crime.



No it's not slander at all. Get over yourself silly SJW.

LOL there's no "gun culture" in Australia, and it's all so 'civilised'? Riiiiiiiight. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Australia

I found this posted here on bluelight by an ex Muslim which shows the truth about Islam.

Alright guys, here's the straight dope from an Iranian immigrant, who happens to consider himself a socialist and Agnostic - if you read the Quran in it's original Arabic, the words "kill" and "unbeliever" appear together very often. In fact, the entire thing reads like a warning of doom to believe, submit, and either punish, or revel in god's punishment of, the unbelievers, ad infinitum. Those who have never read it have no idea. They think it reads like the Bible. It doesn't. Every page is almost the same in what it says.

The problem is that in English translations of the Quran, "kill" is usually translated to something like "chastise" and "unbeliever" is usually translated to something like "sinners" (I have both versions, I'm not making this up).

This is all part of an Islamic doctrine called taqiya which essentially allows the muslim to lie about his faith (or whether he even holds such faith at all) either in order to protect him/herself, assimilate in whatever society he's in, etc.

The truth of the matter, and again, I am a socialist, atheist, and ARDENT ANTI-RACIST since the age of 13...the truth of the matter is that Islam is a backwards religion (in fact a political ideology masquerading as a religion) that has no place in civil society. Now, I'm not saying that any harm should come to Muslims. It's not their fault they were born into a Muslim family or society and were indoctrinated. What I'm saying is that the seeds of why these things happen are embedded in the religion and Muslims need to come to terms with this and be open and honest about it, and look for ways to mitigate these negative aspects of their "faith". IF they are willing. Many are not.

There are three kinds of Muslims:

1. Open jihadis and radicals.
2. Crypto-jihadis that utilize taqiya to live their day to day lives

and

3. Useful idiots. These are the ones who actually believe "Islam is a religion of peace", which, if you read the Quran in the original Arabic, you will see without a shadow of a doubt that it is not.

In fact, Islam exists because Muhammad was trying to gain a mandate among his tribe to lead them into war/gain political power, and also to gain the ability to have sex with whomever he pleased by decree of "god" (his second wife, Ayisha, was 8 when they married and 9 when he "consummated" their marriage). He was a power-hungry pervert who invented a religion to promote his lust for power and sex. Yes, this sounds fucked, and you might think I'm deluded, but I know what I'm talking about. I'm an an Iranian ex-pat (and happily so - Islam infected my country and plunged it into the middle ages, and I'm proud to have escaped and now live in a Federal Constitutional Republic).

I'm sorry if any of this is politically incorrect, but it is factually correct. I am also sorry that this puts me in the company of republicans, conservatives and racists. Again, this is coming from a far-left atheist radical, and an active anti-racist of nearly two decades.

Edit: Tehran was once referred to as the "Paris of the Middle East". We used to brag that we were the only middle-eastern country with mini skirts and women at the beach wearing bikinis. Then the Islamic Revolution of '79 took place. This should give you an idea of what Islam is really about.
 
alpha- the attacks I speak of happened 13 November, 2015 here in Paris. One was at the Bataclan night club, antoerh at a stadium, and another at a restaurant. Since the attacks, many businesses have hired security to do weapons checks on everyone who enters. If the club in Orlando had that kind of security, easily paid for at a place where the price of three or four drinks will cover the hourly wage of a guard, the attack is unlikely to have happened.

I don't think most muslims want the gays to be dead or in prison, but people in muslim countries are unused to and maybe even shocked by seeing gays. Most in countries like Saudi Arabia have never seen anybody who is openly gay and have certainly never seen a cross dresser.

Last year? That was this year in Paris just a few months ago.

Spacejunk This guy was affiliated with ISIS. But you're an Islamic appologist, and keep in mind that most Mulsims in the world even so called "moderate" ones want bisexual, gay/lesbian people dead or in prison.

CAIRO (Reuters) - Islamic State’s Amaq news agency said on Sunday that the Islamist militant group was responsible for the shooting that killed at least 50 people in a massacre at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida.

“The armed attack that targeted a gay night club in the city of Orlando in the American state of Florida which left over 100 people dead or injured was carried out by an Islamic State fighter,” Amaq said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...oting-in-orlando_us_575dabcbe4b0ced23ca85ad5?

http://nypost.com/2016/06/12/suspected-gunman-in-florida-gay-club-mass-shooting-idd/

The shooter who killed at least 50 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando has been identified as Omar Mateen, law enforcement sources told The Post.

Mateen was a U.S. citizen with no apparent criminal history, was born to Afghan parents in New York in 1986 and was living in Port St. Lucie, Fla., according to multiple media reports.

Mateen had committed himself to ISIS before carrying out the bloodiest mass murder in US history at a gay nightclub in Orlando on Sunday, federal officials said.

Mateen “made a pledge of allegiance to ISIS,” California Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, told CNN.
 
Which specific laws need reform? Since you are from a civilized society, please let the rest of us know.
Do you think there is any legitimate criticism of the Islamic faith to be made?
Absolutely - i criticise all faiths. But i also respect people's right to believe whatever they wish.
What laws need reform?
Not my place to say - but i thought i'd bring it up because i think "it was ISIS" rather than "it was another senseless American mass shooting" is a cop-out.
And the "civilised society" jibe - well, i don't know that Australia is any more or less "civilised" (dumb word, i know) than the US or any other country. But we havent had a massacre in over 20 years (not since April 1996).
Really, i'm tying to open up debate. The "blame Islam" motif doesn't open up many options for worthwhile discussion, so why not bring up the gun issue?
Especially with that singer being murdered a day or two before, in the same city.

And the post above (more name calling, i see) is the same low-standard of debate this poster brings to the table every time. Not worth responding to.
 
alpha- the attacks I speak of happened 13 November, 2015 here in Paris. One was at the Bataclan night club, antoerh at a stadium, and another at a restaurant. Since the attacks, many businesses have hired security to do weapons checks on everyone who enters. If the club in Orlando had that kind of security, easily paid for at a place where the price of three or four drinks will cover the hourly wage of a guard, the attack is unlikely to have happened.

I don't think most muslims want the gays to be dead or in prison, but people in muslim countries are unused to seeing gays. Most in countries like Saudi Arabia have never seen anybody who is openly gay and have certainly never seen a cross dresser.

Many of the fundie and even "moderate" Muslims from various countries hate bisexual and gay men and want them dead or in prison; but then are pederasts to young boys and girls.



 
I'm begining to think this religion of peace stuff is just lip service. But we have to wait for more details I'm leaning more towards work place violence than terrorism.
I don't think this is gonna help Obama or Hilary either. This will be the chance for trump to snag up the lgbt vote if it does end up being terrorism, which I doubt,this has workplace violence written all over it
 
Religion of peace or not, america is a country of war, death, murder.
Globally.

Forget about muslims and take care of your own shit.
 
Religion of peace or not, america is a country of war, death, murder.
Globally.

Forget about muslims and take care of your own shit.
LOL, as though Australia and other countries in the Commonwealth of the UK are not violent and are not countries of 'war, death, murder, etc.' 8)
 
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