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[Crashing]

Wow this thread has been dead lately!

I'm starting to understand the appeal of a light daily regimen of 3-MeO-PCP. Or, well, in my case, a combo of 3-MeO-PCE and 3-MeO-PCP. The past 2 days I have been taking very low doses (~2mg of each) up to a couple of times spread throughout the day, and these have been some great days. Work seems much easier to focus on without getting bored, conversations are animated and fun, sex has been a w e s o m e, and overall I feel very good, quite sober really, just modified. I'm gonna have to watch this but for today at least, looking forward to band practice a whole lot.

A long soft chuckle. If i am going to take anything medicinally in regimen, pray it be 3-meo-pcp. And God, allow me to curtail my dosages more carefully next time!

But the medicinal potential at low dosages is remarkable. This is what i personally see as 'the stuff' that everyone 'should be on'. But don't worry. I haven't plans for a dandruff laced shaggin' wagon anytime soon.

But seriously sometimes you just have to dance manically in circles, beholding the baggie like a diamond atop a silk pillow, singing Ciam Twomey Emily-Alter style, "I've got the secret, I've got the secret!" Follow that by a nonsensical cackle-chuckle and BANG here we are between two planes thanks for joining we hope you will enjoy the show!

 

[Crashing]

^I'm too afraid to do that with 3-MeO-PCP, I'm pretty sure I would get super addicted real soon if I would dose like that. Actually I have never taken a dissociative in my life in the morning, it's always night activity. I just dose 10-20mg, get really high, smoke some weed and "hole". After doing that now for a couple of times a week, the magic is disappearing really fast. Probably a tolerance issue, but I'm afraid to increase the dosage.

Everybody's been saying all along, it's not that type of drug. Magic isn't mysterious. Indulging in new experience is the essence of magic. Repeat and repeat and we just grow accustomed to it. Much like waking up in the morning no longer feels like being born again. Just do other activities for a while and come back to meo at a later date.

 

[xammy]

Everybody's been saying all along, it's not that type of drug. Magic isn't mysterious. Indulging in new experience is the essence of magic. Repeat and repeat and we just grow accustomed to it. Much like waking up in the morning no longer feels like being born again. Just do other activities for a while and come back to meo at a later date.

Don't get me wrong, I've had one of the best highs of my life those nights, utter euphoria. It's just impossible to get effects like those few first times when there was almost a "real hole" when combined with alcohol and weed. Dunno what a month or two break would do, I gotta take that soon.

 

[Xorkoth]

I'm sticking to the low dosages with it myself, if I want to hole I'll take a bunch of MXE or something.

 

[xammy]

You are lucky to have access to it man. I wonder how it will feel if I get to meet with mexxy again someday. I don't even remember how long it has been, 1-2 years.

 

[Crashing]

I still insist that the hole is very there on 3-meo-pcp.

The drug is revolutionary, i see it as a pinnacle in modern technology.

In the binge, a point came when my 3-meo-pcp'd self essentially handed my regular self an all encompassing awareness and guided me through the waxing and waning of my cyclical nature. It showed me how i am always able to influence the frequency that my body aligns with my self awareness. It showed me that the body high associated with other drugs is the product of a reality that is NO LONGER PRESENT. 3-meo-pcp doesn't effect the body, because it is the depiction of modern, current relevance. The body feels as the body feels now, not as the body once felt or will feel.

It's as though every drug i've took up until that point was merely a 'Search for God'. LSD, K, Shrooms, MXE, etc. DMT is the only thing that really comes close to the 'Lesson' aspect of the experience. The difference to me is that DMT is looking inward, into the mind into the mirror of the 3 dimensional plane. Our 3 dimensions are a product of X and Y, that is the thinking plane and the bodily movement plane. That's life in 3d. DMT explores and suggests an inverse of Dimension, so to be, DMT brings me to an INVERSE dimension, like the -X/-Y plane when the entire body and whole mind are literally within the anti-reality. Which coincidentally seems to be just as true as reality itself.

The thing that's interesting is all the other drugs for me personally, aside 3-meo-pcp and DMT were just 'hallucinations'. So, the visual aspects of tryptamines and lysergamides. The auditory distortions of DXM Ketamine and Nitrous. The kaleidoscopic window viewing, the ego games, the struggle, the confusion, the extreme happiness and sadness. The physical vibrations, the things, the sounds, the ideas, the chaos...

All of those things, are just toying with our perception of reality, and 99% it's just ego-gaming. Just playing with who you COULD BE who you MIGHT be who you WANT TO BE. You cant integrate desire, however, because desire is ever present!

3-meo-pcp doesn't change my reality whatsoever. I just allows me to conceptualize the pattern within everything simultaneously. It's a simple 'understanding'. There's no flanging, melting, vanishing. Theres no body high, there's no forced hedonism, I don't find it to be any more addictive than anything else either. It's on neutral grounds. I find MXE, K, Cannabis, Nicotine, and Alcohol all to feel more addictive, yet paradoxically less compelling than 3-meo-pcp.

But the thing is, the 3-meo-pcp didn't confuse me, it didn't leave something to be desired at all. Unlike a heavy Acid trip, that leaves you scattered and torn. Wondering and wondering...

"what happened and what does it mean? Everything was so beautiful... It was so......"

Or the throws of a deep deep mushroom trip. Ultimate. But again, I seem to bring back with me only amazement and wonder.

My current theory holds that the same variable X, the energy, the source, the god or anti-god, that thing thats not the mind and not the body, the spiritual element so-to-speak whatever that thing is - is responsible for imbuing drugs with information via DNA. Taking mushrooms instill the experience that's been instilled upon it, centuries and centuries past. LSD is imbued with the 'Summer of Love' DNA encoding. 3-meo-pcp... Well, the story is being written right now.

This is 3-meo-pcp being imbued with information. It is not a drug, it is a tool. More specifically a catalyst. I have to add cannabis and alcohol at times to sort of glue it all together. I just really don't think it's wise to use it just for fun. It's only a notion...

 

[xammy]

Sure, I just have never been a fan of doing drugs while doing normal daily activities. I feel like I want to keep that limit when it comes to drugs. It's been like this for me since I started using drugs.

I find it really shady for example if a friend of mine is on some kind of drug without telling - be it benzo or whatever. But people are on all types of substances nowadays, be it SSRI's or whatever so yeah, I don't know.

I just don't like the idea of needing anything really to function in normal, day to day life.

Perhaps when everything is beautiful, nothing is beautiful.
-Stanley Kubrick

 

[Xorkoth]

I use drugs without telling people plenty of the time. I don't believe it's right to specifically hide it from someone who is trying to know (which I used to do with my ex-wife), but if I want to use a drug to enhance my day, it's not my responsibility to tell everyone I come in contact with or even the people I am spending the day with, if I don't want to and them not knowing isn't going to be a danger for some reason. Like sometimes, depending on company, people might treat you differently if they know you're on something, but I want to be treated like normal and view normal interactions through altered eyes. I guess I do like that aspect of psychedelics, they allow me to see "normal, everyday" things through a different lens, which I find both instructional and inspiring.

 

[Crashing]

I don't like the idea either, but that is reality. Humans need food and water. The body uses the water as a primary catalyst in transportation and breaking the 'food' down. But there is so much that we ingest on a daily basis, that the body becomes accustomed to it.

This is just the way the body works there are chemicals up chemicals in everything we eat, breathe, and stand next to. Be it a staple in the diet, be in the morning coffee, a cigarette, a piece of candy, a precription pill, an OTC med, a crystalline molecular structure, herbal plant material, the plant itself, a piece of red meat, a swig of mouthwash, doritos, alfalfa sprouts, soda, milk.

The 'health freak' eats 6 almonds every morning at a specific time, followed by 1/4c of yogurt and a granola bar. His daily routine is so incredibly strict that after 1 year of this he is literally addicted to that behavior. If this person goes out and eats a Big Mac and then does a line of fentanyl laced heroin, obviously they are bound to fall very ill.

But my point is, the brain literally functions via the transportation of chemicals, chemicals are created by the body using food water and energy. These chemicals are what send mail to other areas, each person is unique and has different mail routes, varying repetitious patterns design individual needs.

Having drugs and medicine, is arguably the very first necessity to man. Because man as I know it needs only a few things. Man needs medicine, food, water, shelter, fire, the wheel, and a cell phone. That's my reality. And i'm just being human.

Simply because one ingests the unique variety of things that he chooses to ingest does not justify 'Not liking the idea' of somebody else ingesting the unique variety of things that they choose to ingest. Because there is no value in seeing the self as a non-addict. That's like claiming that one is not human, be way of displaying zero needs. Most people who view themselves as non-addicts are still in denial. T

The illusion that addiction is the sole product of medicinal intervention is sheer malarky, humans are all humans. '

 

[Crashing]

Yeah no reason to tell anybody anything.

If I wake up at 7 o'clock and you woke up 10 seconds later, we're already on a different level. Does that information need to be fully displayed like a candy bowl at the doctors? Of course not, and it can't.

Maybe some people wake up to find the color red, is actually their partners color blue. Maybe one person has to drink an alcoholic beverage to get closer to the mindset of another person that is just trying to defend their property while sober.

The ability to rearrange these psychological drawers is just as important to man but not any more dangerous than language, fire, the wheel, or the cell phone.

Reality is literally 'A pattern'.

Bob meets Jim outside in the courtyard. Jim asks, "Hey Bob, what was the first thought that you had up waking up today?" Bob replies, "Well, I thought that I had better do laundry, because it quickly became very apparent that I had ejaculated in my sleep, Haha!"

---Here Jim has an important decision to make.

A.) Offended. Disgusted. Jim has no ability to see the normality of this occurrence, it's clouded by judgement. "Even if that did happen, why the bloody fuck did this faggot have to tell me that?"

Here, the bigotry is very apparent, yet this is the most common reaction.

B.) Relatable. Jim remembers a time when that happened to him, or understands that it may happen to him. "Oh shit bro, I've had that. It's a love-hate relationship if you get what i mean HAHA!"

Here, awareness is present.

So next time your friends may be on drugs, you may visualize a part of you that you wish to avoid within their bodies. Or you may be kind and caring.

 

[xammy]

Yeah nothing wrong with enhancing your day or anything. I just don't like if a friend of mine does it or I do it, it feels fake to be "high secretly" you know. I feel like I'm not being honest or real me if I'm under the influence, even if I were a "better", "funnier" or "more outgoing" version of myself. I'm talking about myself, close friends or even family members, I don't really care how altered someone's state is.

Just took 15mg 3-MeO-PCP orally. I wish English was my native language so I could convey my thoughts better. It's sometimes hard to express what you really mean via normal communication, face to face - it gets even harder when you try to communicate via text which isn't your native language. Add some dissociatives on top of that and it gets tricky.

 

[Crashing]

The terms 'fake' and 'secret' are sensitive. I mean, they sort of exist to portray degradation. Interestingly, having these preconceived notions that conditionally degrade the image of a friend in my mind, will literally bounce straight back upon me.

It's almost as if my thinking will actually create my visual experience of what my friend 'Looks like'. Vision is just one of the 5 physical senses. The part of you that creates thought has almost an 'origin-like' quality in this specific situation. You see your experience has a direct relationship.

The brain sends signals to the lower body - "It is cold" (Goosebumps) also the lower body sends signals to the brain - (paper cut) "Ouch, that stings."

But where else do the signals flow? Well, back in and out through the upper non-physical senses called the 'mind' or '6th sense'. This is my origin of creation.

So the moment I 'think' that my friend is being high 'secretly' I've already set the process into motion for myself! I already have/soon will {currently am} noticing it more and more through the bodily queues that I've literally programmed my eyes to observe. As my negative thoughts spiral down into my visual cortex, they spiral down through my body and back up into the mind again and suddenly, i feel the urge to 'Do something' or 'Go somewhere else'. I feel generally uneasy, maybe a little anxious maybe a little upset.

These emotions are a product of the bodies messages that I put into motion through my original thinking, which went down and came back with an added flavor, now i feel anxious mad, back down into my body and back up and down and up. It's all my creation.

 

[Delsyd]

I binged on 3 meo pcp last week, using for 7 or 8 days straight. My doses were always under 20mg, usually just 7-10mg, but by the end of the week I felt extremely strung out and the drug effects became very uninteresting. It was just something to do to not be sober.
This one is best left for the weekends or concerts or some social activity. Not something to binge on on my experience.

 

[Xorkoth]

I just don't like if a friend of mine does it or I do it, it feels fake to be "high secretly" you know. I feel like I'm not being honest or real me if I'm under the influence, even if I were a "better", "funnier" or "more outgoing" version of myself.

I wonder where the root of that feeling comes from? Perhaps from the idea that drugs are "bad" or "wrong"? I mean, whether you're altered or not, you're still YOU. Is it wrong to be on caffeine without your friends and family knowing? Like somehow once they know, the interactions between you are valid, but if they don't know, they're fake? I don't see how there's a difference with any state of mind. Either way your interactions are real. Whether other people know you're high or not, your experience is equally as valid, because it's your experience, within you.

 

[xammy]

I wonder where the root of that feeling comes from? Perhaps from the idea that drugs are "bad" or "wrong"? I mean, whether you're altered or not, you're still YOU. Is it wrong to be on caffeine without your friends and family knowing? Like somehow once they know, the interactions between you are valid, but if they don't know, they're fake? I don't see how there's a difference with any state of mind. Either way your interactions are real. Whether other people know you're high or not, your experience is equally as valid, because it's your experience, within you.

What I tried to say is that it feels wrong if you need an assistance to be with people, be it myself or someone else. We all wear these "masks" when it comes to social interactions, I just want to see the "real" you - or me.

I think this comes from a personal situation with a friend. It's like I have this one close friend of mine who I have known for years, but it feels like I don't really know who he is deep down nowadays- and that's something you really can't know ever. You can't go into someone else's head, feel what they feel, know what they know etc. I'm trying to convey that personal relationship how it feels to know someone close to you. The thing is we have grown a lot over these years, people change , develop etc. Everyone is searching themselves, figuring out what the fuck is going on. You think you know someone on a deep level, but if you only see him or her only when you/him is intoxicated, it feels like there is no idea who that person really is. It's hard to explain. This is purely personal insights. I don't think it has anything to do with drugs being bad or all that stuff, it's just about relationships between people.. heh. I'm losing myself here writing this high :D

 

[Crashing]

to me the idea that a person could have any state that is more real than a present interaction with them in the Physical Realm is sort of strange. I realize that I may have just tripped a little too hard or one too many times perhaps I'm crazy but I feel like our idea of the real aspect of another person is the product of our imagination that is flavored with emotion and born out of memory and predilection

 

[Xorkoth]

What I tried to say is that it feels wrong if you need an assistance to be with people, be it myself or someone else. We all wear these "masks" when it comes to social interactions, I just want to see the "real" you - or me.

I think this comes from a personal situation with a friend. It's like I have this one close friend of mine who I have known for years, but it feels like I don't really know who he is deep down nowadays- and that's something you really can't know ever. You can't go into someone else's head, feel what they feel, know what they know etc. I'm trying to convey that personal relationship how it feels to know someone close to you. The thing is we have grown a lot over these years, people change , develop etc. Everyone is searching themselves, figuring out what the fuck is going on. You think you know someone on a deep level, but if you only see him or her only when you/him is intoxicated, it feels like there is no idea who that person really is. It's hard to explain. This is purely personal insights. I don't think it has anything to do with drugs being bad or all that stuff, it's just about relationships between people.. heh. I'm losing myself here writing this high :D

That makes sense, and I would wish for someone that they didn't feel they need chemical assistance to spend time with people, if they do feel that way. For me, when I decide to take a psychedelic or dissociative around people and not mention it to them, it's not coming from a place of feeling like I need that by any means. It's more of a personal experiment, the results of which might be skewed if the people knew I was tripping. Plenty of times I do tell people also, and plenty of times someone joins me. It's just that I don't feel a responsibility to tell someone, unless they ask, then I wouldn't lie.

 

[Whitefox]

Busting a gut to get work finished tonight (Just gone 11pm here). Have an on-line training course tomorrow which should finish about 11.30, and planning to dose around 11am assuming I can clear my work tonight. Debating whether to take 4-ho-mipt or 4-aco-mipt; life is full of tough decisions...

 

[Hexagon Sun]

1) Are you willing to dedicate your life to the living out of your own definitions until they stop working?

( )Yes ( )No ( ) Other

2) In the event of the collapse of your definitions, are you willing to adjust and if need be, release them entirely in order to grow receptive to your next evolutionary phase of Intelligence?

( )Yes ( )No ( ) Uh, gee.. .I don't know. ..maybe. ..what If. ..

3) What is your favorite brand of beer?

IF you answered YES to at least two of the above questions, you are now under serious consideration for dissospace reprogram program eligibility.

 

[Img_9999]

What I tried to say is that it feels wrong if you need an assistance to be with people, be it myself or someone else. We all wear these "masks" when it comes to social interactions, I just want to see the "real" you - or me.

I guess that how you experience a person, is how that person really is. I don't believe in a "truer" and "hidden" reality that escapes the embrace of our experience and awaits as a promise beyond our sight. I believe in life, I believe in experience, I believe in the here and now. If your friend is always showing up drugged, it's not a mask he is wearing to "hide" a truer self. He is just someone who is constantly high. If I drink to take the courage to go and flirt with a cute girl, I'm not faking confidence. I'm just someone who needs a drink to really overcome inhibition. If I meet Crashing, maybe he's under the influence of 3-MeO-PCP, but he won't tell me if I don't ask, so I could try to pay attention to the sings, and really try to "see" if he is or not dissociated, or just be direct and ask away, but knowing if he is or not under the influence won't change in any way the interaction that I was having with him prior to knowing. At most, what would have changed is that I dissipated a doubt I have, but then I changed something that hadn't to do with him but rather with my own reservations and suspicions. It won't change what he was being to me in anyway: He was just someone secretly under the influence of 3-MeO-PCP. Or maybe not.

Also, the being is fluid. Heraclitus got that right. What we are is never still.