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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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Id vote for Sanders if the SCOTUS pick wasnt on the next president. This country cannot afford an activist court if another extreme liberal gets appointed. A conservative leaning court maintains status quot and keeps liberty on the forefront. The president outside of executive order really doesnt have that much power, but the SCOTUS has the power to throw out amendments.
 
Trump vs. Clinton = Vote for Trump

Anyone vs. Sanders = Vote for Sanders

qft My boys out so im down with this.

Edit: its a comedic shit show though
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It might be a comedic shit show but it's probably the most significant presidential election cycle of the past 30 years. It's a shit show because people are finally realizing just how fucking BS politics are in this country. It's always been a running joke that politicians are liars, the political system is shady, you can't trust a politician, etc., but it's always been more of a passive observation. You'd see jokes about it on shows like Saturday Night Live and people chuckled it off but thought "what can I really do about it? Nada."

It took 20 years since the exponential explosion of the internet but I think people have finally figured out a way to band together to try and force change. I campaigned hard for Obama's first presidential run and looking back at it, his "grassroots online movement" was fucking peanuts compared to what is going on with Sanders right now. It was basically using hired volunteers to canvas and convince people to donate a few dollars on a website. And that was only 8 years ago. Any online momentum was created by, and driven by, his campaign staff. The term "viral" didn't even exist back then.

Sanders' campaign this cycle is almost entirely driven by its supporters. Millions of people going out of their way to campaign, raise money, and spread his message. One of the most popular Bernie Facebook Groups on the internet is called "Bernie Sanders' Dank-ass Memes" and has over half a million followers. That's obviously a group not thought-up or created by his campaign. I've seen posts from 15-year-olds who obviously can't vote but are trying to contribute by making tie-dye Bernie Sanders t-shirts to wear and give out to friends. Shit's ridiculous. The revolution is here. Participate or forever hold your peace.
 
Trump
Pros: Isn't Hillary Clinton
Cons: Is Donald Trump

Clinton
Pros: Isn't Donald Trump
Cons: Is Hillary Clinton

This is messed up.

What are the odds we can pull off an 11th hour comeback with Bernie? What would it take, legally and practically speaking? Anyone know?
 
Bernie's chances are a lot better than the media is making them out to be. That's one of their tactics, making it sound like he's already lost so his supporters give up.

If you strip away all the Superdelegates they're already giving Hillary, which aren't even final until July, it's a much tighter race. Not only that, but she's already gotten her wins in a lot of the state's she was strongest in. The remaining states are going to be a much tougher battle for her. The majority of Superdelegates will switch sides by July if their constituents vote Bernie. When Obama beat Hillary, she was leading him 3-to-1 in Superdelegates early on until Obama's popularity among voters caused them to switch sides.

As long as people keep donating to his campaign and keep campaigning for him his support will keep growing. The more people talking about "feeling the Bern" on social media the more undecided voters will be likely to join his side. Because their are a lot of people who would love him if they took the time to hear what he has to say. I can't even count how many people I've brought over to his camp. Siblings, parents, extended family, the cashiers at my local convenience store, friends on Facebook, Twitter, I've convinced people to put bumper stickers on their cars, started a drive on FB asking all my friends to donate just $3 apiece the day before Super Tuesday. Stuff like that.

All it takes is enthusiasm. His campaign is growing by itself at a breakneck speed. All you have to do is add your voice to the chorus.
 
Also a big factor is that he's still raising tons of money. And we all know money rules campaigns. I saw a statistic the other day saying that over however many congressional elections, the candidate who spent the most money won 85% of the time.

Bernie outraised Hillary in February with a staggering $42 million from small donors. Meanwhile Hillary is maxing out on donations. She's already received most of the Super PAC and corporate money she's going to get. As long as Sanders keeps raising money like that he can stay in the race and remain competitive all the way up to the convention in July.
 
To somebody that likes the constitutional principles of this country this election cycle is frightening. The youth that are so gung Ho about Bernie in general have no idea what socialism truly is and have romanticized it. I suspect many hear free and think why in the world have we not done this yet. Many never having to work a nine to five and buying into the hate and anger for the successful. The rich are to Bernie sanders as the illegals/ Islamists are to trump as far as I can tell.

Gm I highly doubt the republicans let Obama pick the next scotus. Though if he chose a moderate republican I wish they would tbh
 
Democratic Socialism and Socialism are not the same thing. I think you're mistaken when you categorize Sanders supporters as kids who have never had a job or just want free stuff.
 
...The youth that are so gung Ho about Bernie in general have no idea what socialism truly is and have romanticized it...I highly doubt the republicans let Obama pick the next scotus. Though if he chose a moderate republican I wish they would tbh

Watch out Dropps, as soon as Bernie gets elected the Khmer Rouge are gonna come and take your guns! They took our jobs! Hrrrrr hrrrrr hrrrrr hrrrrrbs! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE...

I'm a small business owner in my mid 30's. How's that for your demographic?

And are you still under the impression that SCOTUS can repeal constitutional amendments? Being a constitutionally-minded fellow, or having taken simple poli-sci in high school, or having read my last post on the matter, I'd think we put that behind us...
 
The point being a large expansion of the size of government is not in anyone's best interest nor is figuring out how to tax corps overseas at a larger rate. It isn't going to bring jobs back nor is the money going into government coffers to spend ineffectively. His economic ideas are proven to not work. Really our trade deficits and our ever growing debt are two places trump is right. The scotus absolutely has the ability to effect the constitution you all need to do some reading lol
 
Democratic Socialism and Socialism are not the same thing. I think you're mistaken when you categorize Sanders supporters as kids who have never had a job or just want free stuff.

It is wrong to assume all of his supporter are those type of kids... But I currently spend a lot of time on a campus and the amount of support you see from 18-22 yr old kids is ridiculous.. If you could actually see and hear some of these students speak, I think you would be embarrassed by the things they say.

I live in arguably the most Pro-Sanders state outside of Vermont, and also I live in the only state where Trump didn't win or take 2nd
 
The point being a large expansion of the size of government is not in anyone's best interest nor is figuring out how to tax corps overseas at a larger rate. It isn't going to bring jobs back nor is the money going into government coffers to spend ineffectively. His economic ideas are proven to not work. Really our trade deficits and our ever growing debt are two places trump is right. The scotus absolutely has the ability to effect the constitution you all need to do some reading lol

How exactly have his economic ideas proven not to work?


It is wrong to assume all of his supporter are those type of kids... But I currently spend a lot of time on a campus and the amount of support you see from 18-22 yr old kids is ridiculous.. If you could actually see and hear some of these students speak, I think you would be embarrassed by the things they say.

I live in arguably the most Pro-Sanders state outside of Vermont, and also I live in the only state where Trump didn't win or take 2nd

I believe it, but that's ok by me. Most of those 18yos wouldn't even be paying attention to the election if it weren't for Bernie. They'll learn and grow as they get older. I'm sure I was spouting off some pretty ridiculous shit when I was 18 too.
 
Watch out Dropps, as soon as Bernie gets elected the Khmer Rouge are gonna come and take your guns! They took our jobs! Hrrrrr hrrrrr hrrrrr hrrrrrbs! RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE...

I'm a small business owner in my mid 30's. How's that for your demographic?

And are you still under the impression that SCOTUS can repeal constitutional amendments? Being a constitutionally-minded fellow, or having taken simple poli-sci in high school, or having read my last post on the matter, I'd think we put that behind us...
The SCOTUS has the power to decide how the 2nd Amendment is interpreted, right? So if one state passes a law banning hand guns and long guns that can fire more than one shot with being reloaded, the SCOTUS can rule that law to be constitutional or unconstitutional depending on whether or not the SCOTUS hates the idea of private gun ownership. Pretty soon, the federal government will then pass a nationwide ban on all such guns.
 
Exactly socko. It's nice to have other non partisan thinkers in ce&p. I wasn't saying that was definetly going to happen, but seeing the ruling for DCs semi auto ban go 5-4 in 2013 doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the liberal wing of the court. In the end all I care about is the upholding of the constitution as I do not believe it is a living breathing document.
 
The SCOTUS has the power to decide how the 2nd Amendment is interpreted, right? So if one state passes a law banning hand guns and long guns that can fire more than one shot with being reloaded, the SCOTUS can rule that law to be constitutional or unconstitutional depending on whether or not the SCOTUS hates the idea of private gun ownership. Pretty soon, the federal government will then pass a nationwide ban on all such guns.

Sure, I agree. But that isn't the same thing as repealing an amendment, now is it? The whole point of the amendment process was that it would act as a check/balance in the hands of the People and their reps in the Congress against the judicial and executive branches.

Once an amendment is ratified, it is no different than the original text of the Constitution dating from 1787, except it supersedes anything previous to it.

The problem with the 2nd Amendment is that it is vague. It references proper regulation of militias as the prime reasoning behind its primary provision, namely "the right of the People to bear arms shall not be infringed", which is not a positive granting of rights but rather a negation/clarification of federal powers in that regard (I personally imagine the Founders had something like the Swiss system in mind, where military personnel are required to take their firearms and store them in their homes when not on duty). It certainly does require clarification and modification if necessary, since "arms" could mean cruise missiles or neutron bombs, and also since we have a dearth of "well regulated militias" these days.

Edit: Sorry, I realize this is OT. We can just PM about this stuff, Dropps and Socko, if you want.
 
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The SCOTUS has the power to decide how the 2nd Amendment is interpreted, right? So if one state passes a law banning hand guns and long guns that can fire more than one shot with being reloaded, the SCOTUS can rule that law to be constitutional or unconstitutional depending on whether or not the SCOTUS hates the idea of private gun ownership. Pretty soon, the federal government will then pass a nationwide ban on all such guns.
not really.

Is Obama a Threat to the 2nd Amendment?
In the old Charles Atlas ad, a 97-pound weakling lounging on the beach gets sand kicked in his face by a bully. Humiliated, he tries the Charles Atlas muscle-building program, transforms his physique and puts the bully in his place.

The Second Amendment was once the 97-pound weakling of the Bill of Rights, pitifully helpless in the face of anti-gun forces. The Supreme Court went decades without paying it any mind.

My 1991 copy of the casebook "Constitutional Law," by Geoffrey Stone, Louis Seidman, Cass Sunstein and Mark Tushnet, has 1,716 pages -- and no index entry for the Second Amendment. A law professor wrote in 1987 that this provision "is not taken seriously by most scholars."

But in the interim, it has gotten seriously jacked. In 2008, the Supreme Court converted the Second Amendment from feeble to formidable. The justices not only struck down a Washington, D.C., ban on handguns but proclaimed an individual right to own guns for self-defense. Two years later, they tossed out a similar Chicago law.

As a result, the Second Amendment has never been stronger or more protective of gun owners' rights. Yet today Republican politicians act as though it were in mortal danger.

After Barack Obama announced such steps as tightening enforcement of federal regulations on gun sales, Donald Trump lamented, "He's taking chunks and chunks out of the Second Amendment." Ted Cruz said the measures are "unconstitutional."

They overlook two critical facts. The first is that if Obama adopts any policy that abridges the right to keep and bear arms, the Supreme Court will deep-six it. The second is that almost none of what he is doing offends the Second Amendment.

They probably know as much. Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, emailed a 1,500-word statement under the subject line "Key FACTS on the Second Amendment," detailing the flaws in Obama's plan. Grassley managed to come up with only one alleged violation of the right to keep and bear arms: his endorsement of a bill to block purchases by anyone on the no-fly list.

He may be right on that. But the steps unveiled Monday are deferential to the limits of government power. Obama wants to require unlicensed gun dealers to get licenses and conduct background checks to block sales to the felonious and the insane -- who are already forbidden to have guns.

He wants to encourage states to provide better data for these background checks. He wants the Social Security Administration to forward the names of people known to have serious mental health impairments.

At Thursday's town hall, rape survivor Kimberly Corban challenged Obama: "Why can't your administration see that these restrictions that you're putting to make it harder for me to own a gun -- or harder for me to take that where I need to be -- is actually just making my kids and I less safe?"

Her question inadvertently exposed the mortifying fact that many people who distrust Obama on guns have no clue what he's done on guns. His new plans will not impede any law-abiding citizens from getting the firearms they want or using them for protection inside the home or in public.
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republican/nra/whatever scare-mongering on this issue makes it pretty hard to have a conversation...

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