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2016 American Presidential Campaign

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While Trump is not the most affable of gents I would also argue neither is Obama. Obama has few friends around the world or even in the US and even less respect unless everything I read and hear is all lies. I like Bernies restructuring talk but the guy is a social democrat and to say he is for free college and not for government growth.. come on Bardoo.
 
Watching too much fox news drops. Im not in love with obama or some fanboi, but he has done a pretty good job overall. He was handed a pile of shit and things have improved including the economy.

I think he is pretty respected even if he is a giant pussy that doesn't wage war every time someone pisses him off. I think he has accomplished a lot but people love to blame him for everything and he's not even that liberal.

I think its of kind of disrspectful showing so much disdain for someone who is still our current commander in chief. Seems pretty low class, even though it has become a staple in recent debates.
 
Yes, yes it is. I do not think I could handle anymore hope or change though I am a little less bitter now that I am back in the private sector.

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I mean, our economy has been improving faster than the rest of the developed world, and most of that is due to resisting Austerity. No huge scandals that are not manufactured by the right.
My main problem with him is on foreign policy. He was handed a giant pile of shit, and really isn't free to deal with it the way he'd like but his half measures and his hard lines are both making things worse. Other than the Iran deal, that was a good thing.
 
honestly I think we as hard working americans need to secure a firearm, march on washington, and demand a restructuring of government. We need to chop off more than an arm to grow a leg. We need to chop of the hand of the lobbyists...we need to chop off the heads of all the lifetime politicians. We need to chop off the leg that keeps walking us directly into shitty unwinnable wars (Im looking at you George dubya).....basically it doesn't matter who we elect. We the People are so far from the minds of most politicians that the only way to make life acceptable for those of us that are just getting by is to take back what is ours by force. No more corporate welfare...let the individual have welfare. No more cushy military contracts like haliburton.....shit I'm just going on and on.

My idea is we need a revolution. Be it a cultural revolution, or a violent civil uprising. As a nation founded by rebels, we should be ready to stand up and take what is ours by force because our government can't get its shit right/
 
Diplomacy isn't business. Business is a cut-throat game where you take as much as you can regardless of the consequences so long as you come out on top, being a businessman requires being a ruthless player in the game, like Trump. Being a diplomat requires patience, tact, trustworthiness and sometimes, maybe a little humility. Trump has none of these qualities.
It seems to me like you're characterizing the entire US economy by the type of person characterized by Donald Trump, Wolf Of Wall Street, and That Guy from Futurama (ntoably all 80's characters).
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Business is a cut-throat game where you take as much as you can regardless of the consequences so long as you come out on top, being a businessman requires being a ruthless player in the game, like Trump.
An overly negative characterization of business professionals. People who compromise their morals for financial gain will often be successful regardless of their profession.
 
I'm talking finance here, which indeed, seeks to holds profit as it's foremost priority. I'm not talking about your local plumber or store owner, I'm talking about the big fish (because we're discussing Trump in particular).

People who compromise their morals for financial gain will often be successful regardless of their profession.

This isn't quite the case regarding international diplomacy, which was the subject of my post. A president who treats the international community like inferior business rivals rather than a cooperative community of sovereign states will isolate the country. How is Trump going to deal with the middle east? In his own words, "I'd bomb the shit out of those people." Surely that isn't inflammatory. How will he interact with the Chinese? How would he negotiate with Russia? These things require the finesse that a character (because he IS a freaking cartoonish caricature) like Trump just doesn't have. Like I said, the government isn't a corporation with nukes.
 
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Well, to be fair treating sovereign nations as inferior rivals is how we got into our current level of power, and our current crop of problems. Maybe best to keep our dick swinging since there is no way we actually want to pay what we owe to the people we've betrayed, the democracies we've crushed, all of the lies. It's good to know our collective sins, but the last thing we want is justice if we want to keep our families safe and well fed.
Trump is a unqualified jack-ass unfit to run his own company....but there is something to be said for his general attitude. We're still the modern Romans after all...
 
There is not a candidate I would truly back with my vote. Two party system has not worked in a long time......I think most anyone off the street with a highschool diploma, and a lifetime of hard work can do a better job of running the country.

Trump has had more unsuccessful business ventures than successful ones...he just happened to declare bankruptcy before the switch in bankruptcy laws.
 
Judging by his recent comment, he'd be good buddies with Putin, as long as Putin shares the secret of how to get rid of problematic journalists.

Exactly, they have similar personalities, except Putin spent time in the trenches first, he wasn't handed a giant pile of money with a saftey net in reserve. Putin worked his way up from low office. They would have a great time wrasslin', but Putin is much stronger man.
 
Well, to be fair treating sovereign nations as inferior rivals is how we got into our current level of power

It's also responsible for our decline, though. We didn't start WWII, it just happened to work out very favorably for us for a few decades as everyone else was bombed out and depleted. Plus, we played a heavy hand in rebuilding Europe (we even offered the USSR assistance which they refused). Stretching our power too thin and making enemies of the world isn't a very healthy foreign policy.


We're still the modern Romans after all...

And what happened to the Romans? ;) The Ottomans, the Germans, the Soviets, etc. In order to survive, you're going to need the world on your side.
 
I'd be down with us just stopping acting like assholes going forward. :) It would be really neat if we actually favored democracy even when the locals vote for things we don't like. Still pisses me off we paid for the coup that replaced Morsi with Sisi in Egypt. Even though Isreal created Hamas, if the Palistinians want to vote for the people who say that stealing land is a violence worth offense then we should accept that and try to get Hamas off to party with the Swiss and Israel and see what can be done.
You're right about WWII though, it was a terrible blessing for us that Europe fucked their industrial capacity so severely in the war. I don't think we appreciate how much that benefited us.
The right is right to like NASA, we really should work on getting ISS 2.0 going, maybe around the moon. Fund the fuck out of some research and engineering and invite the rest of the world to tag along and contribute.
 
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God I can't stand Hillary Clinton. And I'm a registered Democrat. Remember when someone called her out on being under sniper fire in Bosnia? Well, she's at it again. This woman doesn't have an honest bone in her body. If the general election ends up being Trump v. Hillary, I'm voting third party again. I don't give a shit that I live in one of the most contested swing states. A buffoon v. a liar is not a choice. There should be a "none of the above" option. Maybe I'll write in Bernie Sanders. And shame on John Lewis. He just lost all credibility. I hope the media does not let this slide and call her out like they did on her Bosnia shit.

Poor Bernie Sanders. The guy can’t seem to catch a break. First the Congressional Black Caucus mostly endorses Hillary Clinton and then none other than civil rights icon Congressman John Lewis stands up to make a speech saying how he never saw Sanders at any marches supporting black citizens. But he did see the Clintons. (The Hill)

“To be very frank, I never saw him, I never met him,” Lewis said during the CBC PAC’s endorsement.
“I chaired the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee for three years, from 1963-1966. I was involved in sit-ins, Freedom Rides, the March on Washington, the March from Selma to Montgomery … but I met Hillary Clinton, I met President Clinton.”

As he spoke, someone in the crowd could be heard repeatedly saying “uh oh” and “tell it” as Lewis made his points. Well, you don’t get much more of a living authority on the civil rights era than Lewis, so I guess that’s that, eh? Or maybe not. We received a tip about a rather fascinating book which everyone may want to rush out and have a look at. It’s an older volume, but it was written by Janis F. Kearney, who served as the Presidential Diarist to President Bill Clinton from 1995 – 2001. The book is titled Conversations: William Jefferson Clinton : from Hope to Harlem.
The tome contains this interesting section from a chapter on John Lewis. Here’s how it starts, with a bit of emphasis added:

The first time I heard of Bill Clinton was in the early ’70s
. I was living in Georgia, working for the Southern Poverty Law organization, when someone told me about this young, emerging leader in Arkansas who served as attorney general, then later became governor.

Just a moment ago he was talking about his work from 1963-1966 when he had never met Sanders, but had met the Clintons. But he apparently told Bill’s diarist that he’d never heard of him until the early seventies. And mind you… that’s just when he heard of him. When did they actually meet? The chapter continues.

I think I paid more attention to him at the 1988 Democratic Convention, when he was asked to introduce the presidential candidate and took up far more time than was allotted to him. After he became involved with the Democratic Leadership Council, I would run into him from time to time.But it was one of his aides, Rodney Slater, who actually introduced us in 1991 and asked me if I would support his presidency.

So he had “run into him” from time to time and was finally introduced in 1991. It’s also worth noting that there is still zero mention of Hillary. If he had known her and not her famous husband, it seems like it would have come up in the conversation by now. But back to the question of dates, I’m not a history expert and math isn’t my strong suit, but I think 1991 was considerably after the march on Selma… possibly by almost 30 years. Further, Lewis has always had his finger on the pulse of black leaders who were in tune with the history and progress of civil rights. Perhaps some of them knew Bill and Hillary instead?

Rodney gets the credit for convincing me that Bill Clinton was “the man,” when he told me all he had done in Arkansas to help change the layout of that state. In the summer of 1991, I hosted a breakfast for him in the Rayburn building. Congressmen Mike Espy and Bill Jefferson were there. The three of us were trying to convince the Democratic Black Caucus to endorse Clinton. Most Northern members didn’t know him and wasn’t very interested. Only a few members of the black Caucus came to the breakfast, but those of us there had a wonderful discussion. Several staff people came from different offices, and they all came back to me later to say how wonderful he was.
What was so striking about Bill Clinton was that here was a governor and a presidential candidate, and he actually made you feel as if he knew he needed you. He was warm, engaging, and comfortable with the African American audience. We literally began to feel he was one of us. The people there were amazed to see this white Southerner so comfortable around blacks.

We’re talking about two famous individual who Congressman Lewis clearly stated had been involved with the civil rights movement dating back to the sixties. And yet when he was introducing Bill around in 1991 the other members of the Black Caucus were “amazed” that this southern white man was so comfortable around blacks? How amazing could it be if he’d been out there working on civil rights for the past thirty years? And if his wife was such an integral part of that noble effort, wouldn’t she have even merited a mention?
Somebody might want to ask the Congressman about this if they run into him.



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Hillary Clinton is a corrupt, pathological liar. I don't understand the collective amnesia when it comes to scandals her and her husband have been involved in. And realistically a vote of Hillary is also a vote for Bill. They represent the very worst kind of exploitative pseudo-liberalism.
 
^-^ Make damn sure you vote in the primary. If you live in a late primary state and it appears that Hillary (ewh) has cinched the nomination, VOTE FOR BERNIE ANYWAY. Help him rack up the delegates. The more he has, the more seriously the party establishment will have to take him. And light a fire under people so they get registered and VOTE. I know Florida's primary is March 15 and the registration window closes 30 days before. Get people paying attention to important deadlines.

Bill Clinton…he was just a new face on an old agenda and Hillary will be more of the same.

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Watching too much fox news drops. Im not in love with obama or some fanboi, but he has done a pretty good job overall. He was handed a pile of shit and things have improved including the economy.

I think he is pretty respected even if he is a giant pussy that doesn't wage war every time someone pisses him off. I think he has accomplished a lot but people love to blame him for everything and he's not even that liberal.

I think its of kind of disrspectful showing so much disdain for someone who is still our current commander in chief. Seems pretty low class, even though it has become a staple in recent debates.
having voted for him, i'm disappointed in some things that obama's done and not done but he's been an outstanding president.

related reading: I Miss Barack Obama
As this primary season has gone along, a strange sensation has come over me: I miss Barack Obama. Now, obviously I disagree with a lot of Obama’s policy decisions. I’ve been disappointed by aspects of his presidency. I hope the next presidency is a philosophic departure.

But over the course of this campaign it feels as if there’s been a decline in behavioral standards across the board. Many of the traits of character and leadership that Obama possesses, and that maybe we have taken too much for granted, have suddenly gone missing or are in short supply.

The first and most important of these is basic integrity. The Obama administration has been remarkably scandal-free. Think of the way Iran-contra or the Lewinsky scandals swallowed years from Reagan and Clinton.

We’ve had very little of that from Obama. He and his staff have generally behaved with basic rectitude. Hillary Clinton is constantly having to hold these defensive press conferences when she’s trying to explain away some vaguely shady shortcut she’s taken, or decision she has made, but Obama has not had to do that.
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