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71 dead found in a truck abandoned in Austria

Please don't move here, we have enough bigots as it is. Personally I would rather some Islamic refugees came instead. :)

I don't know enough about the case of that boy to comment, but this thread is about 71 people who died in a truck in Austria. I don't think anybody would be willing to claim that there is not a single economic migrant who tries to pass themselves off as a refugee, but the majority are refugees, and you have to process their claims to weed out the economic migrants.

How does fleeing war mean you can't afford a few thousand euro's? If they were working before the conflict broke out they could easily have cash resources, even the wealthy get displaced by war you know.
 
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Please don't move here, we have enough bigots as it is. Personally I would rather some Islamic refugees came instead. :)

Haha classic. You would willingly turn away a man who is well educated, would contribute financially as well as culturally (through my professional work and own activities), law abiding, on the straight and narrow, just because you disagree with his views.. and instead accept some Islamic refugees who given half a chance will impose their culture on yours instead of assimilating into your culture? Smart thinking right there.
 
My country is doing just fine as it is, I would rather our immigration policy was geared more towards helping others than helping ourselves. We helped create the mess, we should help deal with the fall out, it is this concept adults call responsibility.

I know a number of people who are Muslim refugees and they are assimilating in to Australian culture. Unlike you, I don't think it is fair to condemn a bunch of people to die on the basis of paranoid and xenophobic assumptions.
 
My country is doing just fine as it is, I would rather our immigration policy was geared more towards helping others than helping ourselves. We helped create the mess, we should help deal with the fall out, it is this concept adults call responsibility.

And your responsibility to your children, and their children?
 
Letting Muslim refugees (or immigrants in general) in to Australia does not violate any responsibility to my descendants. Immigration has been going on forever, the sky has not fallen yet. As I mentioned in my last post, I know Muslim refugees and they integrate well in to the community, honestly they are some of the nicest people I have ever met. I like to base my views on evidence, not hateful speculation.
 
Why is it EUROPES responsibility to take care of these refugees? And are you still a refugee once you leave the country which was cAusing you to flee? At what point do you stop being a refugee? When you get to your final desirable destination point? Seriously? From there to the U.K, Germany, Sweden and you can't find ONE FUCKING COUNtRY inbetween where you are considered 'safe'? Since when is starving a condition for being a refugee? Fuck, I see refugees on the streets every damn day then. Lets bring in half of africa and asia to europe too. They are poor and can't feed themselves. Lets baby them instea of using resources to make them build for themselves. What the fuck lol.

Also, you can't compare the immigrants of muslims to countries like the US and Australia. They don't take your language and fucking slaughter it with their own interpertation of how it should be pronounced. They don't come into the US and try to forcefully change the current state of affairs towards a culture that's similar to the culture from which they 'escaped'. You wanna enter a nation? Fine! Step one, learn the language to a high school level or get out. Step two, get put on a probation of, this is arbitrary, 5 years (you are coming into a country as a guest and you are receving benefits, don't you dare fucking bitch) and if you so much as steal a candy bar you are kicked the fuck out. Why? Because you came here to make a better life for yourself. You don't like it? Get the hell out.
Three - learn to assimilate. You don't push your disgusting propganda and religion in a land which has no want for it. If you'd like to practice your religion that's fine but do so quietly and peacefully.

Step 4 - no jihabs allowed. The koran or Quran doesn't state anything about the need to cover up. That's something for Shari'a law.

Step 5. Much like nazisism and nazi propaganda, propegating for Shari'a law should be a criminal offence. It does nothing but trample on human rights.


But enough of my arbitrary rules because they are just gonna get hated on immensely. Lets look at the countries that DO have Shari'a law and tell me if you want to live there. Go on i'll wait. There's a reason people are leaving those countries. And I sure as fuck am not looking to be converted into that state. Yes i understand the amount of conflict the middle east has been put through. But is Saudi arabia the gleaming hope of freedom? What about U.A.E? Oman? Etc etc etc.

You want to bring something? Bring your foods, the love , your dancing, the clothing perhaps, and your brains. Leave the hatred, the politics and your negative viewpoints in your mothercountry. Once again, they escaped for a reason.



One last point. Why is no one demanding that asian countries take these refugees in? Wealthier nations in africa? Their fucking neighbors FFS?

Their want to make it to a certain country bares no meaning. You didn't escape to all of a sudden get a magic carpet ride to lazy town. If you truly fear for your life follow the rules set up by each nation once you have found safety, or refuge, in a neighboring country. Immigrants have to do it and so should you.

OH NO, NOT DOCUMENTATION AND PAPER WORK. I JUST WANTED FREE PASSAGE (not as in cost but the freedom to do so). Fuck it! What's the point of borders, economics, inherent cultures, and passports? #citizenofearth #facile ideas
#whocaresaboutresources

I love how people state that european countries don't have a culture. So what are we then? Just robots without any societal norms or status quo? And if so, us being a blank slate, why must we take on the muslim culture as our own now?
 
Oh great, another enlightened, compassionate, educated soul.
What's a 'jihab'?

Edit - googled it and found out:
www.jihab.com
Welcome to JIHAB. JIHAB are well established as one of the leading European manufacturers of scissors lift tables.
 
Try looking at your keyboard. 'J' is next to 'H'. 8)

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I love how people state that european countries don't have a culture.

This annoys me immensely. Like the past few hundred years of history mean nothing.. as if we've always had these kinds of freedoms and systems in our nations, that incidentally allow a person to reach the level of education and understanding most people enjoy today and take for granted. I don't think some people realize how fortunate we are.
 
I love how people state that european countries don't have a culture. So what are we then? Just robots without any societal norms or status quo? And if so, us being a blank slate, why must we take on the muslim culture as our own now?

Just a socialist utopia where Catholic, orthodox, and Muslims live peacefully together like Yugoslavia ;)
 
Yawn, boring, ad hominem attack. You have lost your right to argue with me. Bye!

Typing on an iphone during break with an error on one word automatically renders my entire point moot.

Due to reasons stated above - you're a waste of space.

Lets now take a look at a time period when Shari'a law wasn't in full effect in countries in the middle east. Look at their technological advances. Look at their promising educational system. They were ahead of the curve and flourishing. *queue intro* it all changed when the Shari'a law came into effect. What was once a promising country turned to violence, oppression, and hate.

Yuck.

But it goes to show you that it's not people who are inherently bad. It's the disgusting ideologies, (both political and religious), which cause good people to do bad things. It's the best opium around. Renders the bug of humanity useless for something 'greater' than human life.
 
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Try looking at your keyboard. 'J' is next to 'H'. 8)



This annoys me immensely. Like the past few hundred years of history mean nothing.. as if we've always had these kinds of freedoms and systems in our nations, that incidentally allow a person to reach the level of education and understanding most people enjoy today and take for granted. I don't think some people realize how fortunate we are.

And you deny that people from other nations should be afforded this same privilege based on the geography of their birth? What makes you so special and what makes you deserving of this more than anyone else? Their religious beliefs? gtfo.
 
Yawn, boring, ad hominem attack. You have lost your right to argue with me. Bye!

Typing on an iphone during break with an error on one word automatically renders my entire point moot.

Due to reasons stated above - you're a waste of space.

Lets now take a look at a time period when Shari'a law wasn't in full effect in countries in the middle east. Look at their technological advances. Look at their promising educational system. They were ahead of the curve and flourishing. *queue intro* it all changed when the Shari'a law came into effect. What was once a promising country turned to violence, oppression, and hate.

Yuck.
But it goes to show you that it's not people who are inherently bad. It's the disgusting ideologies, (both political and religious), which cause good people to do bad things. It's the best opium around. Renders the bug of humanity useless for something 'greater' than human life.
I wasnt arguing with you, that would be futile.
 
And you deny that people from other nations should be afforded this same privilege based on the geography of their birth? What makes you so special and what makes you deserving of this more than anyone else? Their religious beliefs? gtfo.


Let me ask you this. Are you willfully being ignorant or are you just angry at the statements he has made? Because if you look at his statements not ONCE does he say to NOT allocate resources nor deny ALL who want to enter. His statements are that 1) you fix the problem at it's core because they are all people of the same culture. You would want to allocate resources towards changing the SITUATION THERE. Why? Because like it or not you can't just squeeze every fucking culture into a press and shit out happiness and rainbows. If you want to be pragmatic you have to understand human behavior and new people/culture, IN THiS MAGNITUDE, spells trouble. There would be no assimilation going on but rather cities of pure muslims (insert ideology here) where they just circle jerk the same ideals and customs back and forth. Please don't kid yourself that this doesn't happen.

second, the massive influx is a huge debalancer. This process, if possible, should happen slowly. So that you find a pleasant balance and the outsiders learn how to assimilate and the indigenous/native residents can pick up the positives of their culture. you dont press 1 million people of an ENTIRELY different culture into a new geographical site and expect shit to turn out good. Look at the population of sweden or norway. You'd be pressing another 10% of people onto an economy that clearly would not be able to provide in the short, medium, or long term. Especially considering that most are uneducated to a large degree and don't understand or speak the language. What in the fuck is wrong with people today?
 
Yeah. Why don't you try to spread more of these utopian ideals. They work great when you completely skip over human nature, pragmatism, and non-facile thinking. Oh we can just print more money for these people. Oh we van just pay more taxes. Oh we can just baby the fuck out of all of them because they are citizens of earth.


blaaahhh blaaahhh blah.

but what are economics europe asks.
 
And you deny that people from other nations should be afforded this same privilege based on the geography of their birth? What makes you so special and what makes you deserving of this more than anyone else? Their religious beliefs? gtfo.

Steady on their chump. I never said I deserved to be born here at this time in history, and likewise those people where they are at this point in history.. shit happens! Our parents fucked. We were born. Boom.. deserving was never part of the equation.

Second.. about denying. No one is denying these people anything. Why should the standard be lowered in this country, resources and potential diluted outwards, so everyone can have a little bit of everything.. so we can all be poor together? Fuck that. We all lose if we take that approach. There are always going to be winners and losers. The rich 0.1% don't deny me anything.. I will never ever attain that kind of wealth or anything approaching it, or what my parents had (middle class).

These people would not have electricity, phones and nice clothing.. which they all incidentally seem to enjoy judging by the TV images.. if it were not for our collective nations/cultures over the past 100-200 years. And how was this possible. Culture. Destroy that, the time, space and security it offers by inviting everyone to join the party, and we all fucking lose. Do you see where I am coming from?
 
Steady on their chump. I never said I deserved to be born here at this time in history, and likewise those people where they are at this point in history.. shit happens! Our parents fucked. We were born. Boom.. deserving was never part of the equation.

Second.. about denying. No one is denying these people anything. Why should the standard be lowered in this country, resources and potential diluted outwards, so everyone can have a little bit of everything.. so we can all be poor together? Fuck that. We all lose if we take that approach. There are always going to be winners and losers. The rich 0.1% don't deny me anything.. I will never ever attain that kind of wealth or anything approaching it, or what my parents had (middle class).

These people would not have electricity, phones and nice clothing.. which they all incidentally seem to enjoy judging by the TV images.. if it were not for our collective nations/cultures over the past 100-200 years. And how was this possible. Culture. Destroy that, the time, space and security it offers by inviting everyone to join the party, and we all fucking lose. Do you see where I am coming from?

I see that you are coming from a place of fear. People from all cultures have been joining cultures for a long time now. Now everyone fears muslims and everyone fears terror. My grandparents were syrian and came to this country from syria. They are not muslim but that doesn't really matter. It doesn't take but one or two generations to be on the same page as everybody else. People seeking asylum deserve exactly that. They will remain losers so long as people classify them as such. It should be a human right to seek refuge in a place of peace that offers them economic viability. I see a lot of assumptions that aren't based on anything other than fear.

Sweet move resorting to name calling. I'm glad that people can disagree politically and see each other as foes. Classy.
 
Steady on their chump. I never said I deserved to be born here at this time in history, and likewise those people where they are at this point in history.. shit happens! Our parents fucked. We were born. Boom.. deserving was never part of the equation.

But you have a sense of entitlement, which ties in to "deserving" something. You think your "right" to maintain your culture (which is far from guaranteed to erode if you take in these refugees) trumps their right to flee persecution. Shit happens? When you destablize a region and the displaced persons come knocking on your door, it sure does!

Second.. about denying. No one is denying these people anything. Why should the standard be lowered in this country, resources and potential diluted outwards, so everyone can have a little bit of everything.. so we can all be poor together? Fuck that. We all lose if we take that approach. There are always going to be winners and losers. The rich 0.1% don't deny me anything.. I will never ever attain that kind of wealth or anything approaching it, or what my parents had (middle class).

You are denying refugees legal rights, you are denying that they even are refugees, you are denying that their right to exist trumps your right to preserve your culture (which is a false dichotomy). From my perspective, it seems like you are denying "these people" their basic rights.

These people would not have electricity, phones and nice clothing.. which they all incidentally seem to enjoy judging by the TV images.. if it were not for our collective nations/cultures over the past 100-200 years. And how was this possible. Culture. Destroy that, the time, space and security it offers by inviting everyone to join the party, and we all fucking lose. Do you see where I am coming from?

Yep, lets keep modern day slavery up. Iphones and cheap garments FTW! What a wonderful consumer based, neo-liberal "culture" the West has cultivated. Fuck these people who want to see their children prosper, gadgets are at stake!
 
We are not talking slow paced low density immigration. That can be accomplished, as you stated, and has been for a long time.. that is not an issue. What we are talking about is a mass influx of people all at once.. mass immigration does not work. The state of the UK at present is testifies to that fact.. we've tried that experiment in my life time under Blair and it has put enormous pressure on our nation, in many different ways.

This is not fear. It is pragmatism and having the foresight to see what is being asked will not be successful. And being selfish for a second here, what about the people of this country? Who are being taxed and worked into the ground, not having time to spend with their kids, so the government can piss away money to other nations and the EU who do nothing productive with that wealth? And especially the young people of this country (and the West in general), who have been totally shafted.. where the concern for their economic viability huh?

As has been said, there is a formal system in place for processing refugees.. we do it that way, the civilized and formal way.. it works best for all parties involved. Forcing your way across countries because you see fucking dollar signs is greed, not seeking refuge. Anyone who demands in that manner.. we owe those people nothing at all. They are lucky there is even a refugee convention, which by the way you can thank modern culture for creating.. let alone refugee aid!! Any other time in history and they would most likely all be dead.

And I didn't call you anything.. you put words in my mouth that I never said, so I explained my actual position.
 
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