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71 dead found in a truck abandoned in Austria

Definitely.the only leftist ce+p thread ..


Blua is so vague its not even funny. We cannot degrade a group for race religion or "any other reasons"...so should be against rules to speak negatively of even nazis pedophiles the likes? Any other reason???

Saying all abrahamic religions are violemt sounds hateful to me!
 
Yeah, and the way the CE&P rules read,

statements about a racial/ethnic group having negative characteristics relative to the rest of the human race, i.e., solely because of race/ethnicity and without regard for individual characteristics.
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Sounds like it, rigorously interpreted in a certain way, would ban discussion of The Bell Curve and similar works, which I don't imagine (well, I dare hope) is not the intent. This is a problem with modern PC liberalism, this inability to distinguish differentiation between groups or discussion of their differences and the relationships between them from "hate."

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If you really don't like a certain group of people, e.g., if you don't like black people just because of their skin color, please keep it to yourself.
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Would on the other hand read as if it only prohibits the most vulgar forms or racism, but who really knows?

I would hope that the moderators allow civil discussion even on controversial issues including identity and so far, since my return to Bluelight and posting more frequently in CE&P due to a renewed interest in politics and identitarianism on my part, as far as I can see in this thread and others they seem to be doing a good job of this and I wholeheartedly appreciate them.
 
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Bardeaux said:
ALL Abrahamic religions are inherently violent.
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I'm not even baptized, I don't believe in Jesus being the son of God and all that stuff. However comparing Christianity to Islam is pretty ignorant.
Try and find me a passage in the new testament which calls for violence and death…and don't start with ' omg the evil europeans started the crusades!1!1!!' stuff, every historian knows that the crusades were a defensive war that took place after 400 years of Islamic conquests in north africa, the middle east, spain, portugal and persia. Some territories were controlled by the Byzantine Empire, others were Catholic and others Zoroastrian.

I know that you will continually deny that Islam itself is violent because you fear to be labelled as a 'racist' despite the fact that Islam isn't even a race, but thats how it is.
I don't generally like religions at all, but Islam is definitely the worst under every humanitarian and social aspect, trying to defend a barbaric and medieval cult is beyond any logic.

And btw referring to the previous post there is only ONE version of Islam, the version written in the Quran and the Hadiths, there isn't a peaceful, tolerant or progressive version of Islam.

Muslims who are tolerant and compassionate towards others non-muslims aren't truly following their religion, they simply place humanitarian ideals before their religious belief, which is actually a positive thing.
 
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spacejunk said:
To be fair, The Bell Curve is widely considered to be a thoroughly discredited work.
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Not derailing the tread by arguing that either way by talking about the merits of Murray, who's work is often misrepresented by people on both sides of the debate, but I was using that well known work as a general stand in for "human biodiversity" and the proposition that, contrary to the leftist/"anti-racist" tabula rasa stance, across racial and ethnic lines there are objective differences in various measures (picking some at random, obviously, various bodily characteristics, metabolism of certain drugs, hormone levels like testosterone, physical endurance i.e. Olympic running, IQ/standardized testing, family structures, propensity to violent crime) which can be variously explained or explained away by biology, socioeconomics, culture and what have you ... the science in this arena as far as what is caused by which of these explanations is far from settled and this does in fact have some relevance to this thread. Even if it's not biological we may well be wary of inviting other groups with other characteristics into our cultures.
 
RedWhiteNTrue said:
Definitely.the only leftist ce+p thread ..


Blua is so vague its not even funny. We cannot degrade a group for race religion or "any other reasons"...so should be against rules to speak negatively of even nazis pedophiles the likes? Any other reason???

Saying all abrahamic religions are violemt sounds hateful to me!
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There is obviously some confusion about the racism issue and the rules are pretty vague in the forum guidelines as mentioned. Basically, the policy is that you are free to discuss another race or group in any way except one that disparages them. You can't just badmouth Muslims, blacks, or any other segment of the population. You can point out that there is violence associated with some Muslims, or that crime is rampant in inner city black neighborhoods, but only if the reason you are bringing it up is not to demonize either group as a whole. In a nutshell, the policy is "groups will not be vilified based on race or ethnicity".
 
Al12 said:
I'm not even baptized, I don't believe in Jesus being the son of God and all that stuff. However comparing Christianity to Islam is pretty ignorant.
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Thanks for reading the rest of my statement.


Try and find me a passage in the new testament which calls for violence and death…
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The Book of Revelation is arguably the most violent book in the entire bible. New or Old Testament.

Either way, a book is a book. It's what people do with the book that we're discussing here. If you had read the rest of my statement above, Christianity is a litmus test for the presidency of the United States. The country that has been at war for the vast majority of it's existence. George Bush even went to far as to say "God told me to invade Iraq". I'm pretty sure Jesus didn't tell his followers to murder 100,000 people. Just as the Quran is taken horribly out of context by those who want to look for reasons to condemn it. I'm an atheist as well, I have no horse in this race. But if we're going to point out contradictions and misrepresentations of one religion, we have to do so to all religions. Christians, in lowly or on places of high power still practice brutality as well.



And btw referring to the previous post there is only ONE version of Islam, the version written in the Quran and the Hadiths, there isn't a peaceful, tolerant or progressive version of Islam.
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This is just untrue. Many sects and divisions sprouted out of Islam after Mohammed died, they each have their own system of beliefs, political differences, social differences even within the same sect. Islam in not Monolithic.

Muslims who are tolerant and compassionate towards others non-muslims aren't truly following their religion, they simply place humanitarian ideals before their religious belief, which is actually a positive thing.
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Jesus explicitly said to include all of man. So those who discriminate or exclude others aren't true Christians. How many Christians don't support free healthcare, is that very Christ-like? What about the ones who let people starve on the streets, are they true Christians? "It's easier for a camel to walk through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of god." This one's pretty self explanatory. Simply judging another is strictly forbidden, how many Christians are without judgement of any kind? Hate isn't very Christy, either, is it?

Are there ANY real Christians?

Your argument here is the exact same one used by the Catholic church against the reformation.
 
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And conservatives have been resisting change since well before the reformation. No new thing under the sun...
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As it were ...

G.K. Chesterton said:
The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. Even when the revolutionist might himself repent of his revolution, the traditionalist is already defending it as part of his tradition. Thus we have two great types--the advanced person who rushes us into ruin, and the retrospective person who admires the ruins. He admires them especially by moonlight, not to say moonshine.
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There are plenty of 'mistakes' in our social/cultural/political arena that need changing, in my opinion.
 
Today i write to you as young Iraqi woman. Considering gender and race are sicial constructs I pick a choice of races and genders in a hat and thats what I identify as today.

There wasn't 100k murdered in Iraq. Murder is a very specific term. Unlawful preditated killing. When your in a foriegn country and all of a sudden are met with a barrage of bullets and return fire thats not murder. There may be 100,000 jilled there but not murdered.

If you were perhaps a lawyer or even educated beyond Rachel Maddow or your far left college prpfessors you'd understand the disticnction.
 
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There are plenty of 'mistakes' in our social/cultural/political arena that need changing, in my opinion.
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Talk about a statement just about every single person can agree with. Changing how, there's the rub, and that's the point of the well observed, exquisitely written and rather jaundiced GKC quote I posted :)
 
A bit late in this thread, but IMO the main reason Christianity doesn't have the same problem with Islam in regards to violence or terrorism is because it hasn't evolved with the times, at least as far as in the Middle East. When you're dealing with people that are destitute and held back from the rest of the modern world I think that makes them extremely susceptible to be drawn in by terrorists organizations. That being said, I think the majority of Muslims throughout the world are peaceful, it's just the extremists that give it a bad rap. I mean there's what? 2 billion or so practicing Muslims in the world?
 
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Do you know when many of the modern radicals of Europe came to Europe? Many were Muhajadeen that Bill Clinton supported, they were invited to Europe by Bosnia during their war, and following their efforts killing Christians throughout the war many were given citizenship.

Following this was years of peace and stability in Europe, then Obama came. He withdrew troops from Iraq, and soon ISIS came to fruition and purposely desabilized Libya. It created a sieve of immigrants that would pour into Europe, from all over the Middle East.

You can cook a frog, if you put it into a pan of water, and slowly raise the temperature. Most won't realize the slow changes of heat, and they will be eventually fried as the temperature goes up slowly. Put it into boiling water immediately and it will hop out.

If this invasion was carried out like the beach of Normandy surely Europe's military would repel it. But it is 70 people in this truck, 100 people here, 1,000 on this boat, slowly but surely making their way into Europe, establishing their territory as we see in the video of London and trying to subversively detract native Europeans to their cause like this naive Danish girl.
 
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