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Pope Francis

I would have to disagree. A sheep surrounded by wolves. It's limited what he can do but anything counts.

Yet he does support exorcism, instead of actually helping people who are mentally ill who think they're possessed. 8)

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/casting-out-demons-pope-francis-declares-support-for-exorcisms/

Pope Francis Declares Support for Exorcisms

Pope Francis recently expressed his approval of a group of exorcists meeting at the Vatican this week. While exorcisms, in which demonic spirits are driven out of a supposedly possessed person, may seem a dark practice relevant only on TV screens, they have long been recognized by the Catholic Church and several religions.

This week, more than 300 members of the International Association of Exorcists are attending the convention, which is focused on the impact of the occult and Satanism on people today, The Catholic Sun reported.

The IAE was founded in 1990 byFather Gabriele Amorth, exorcist for the diocese of Rome, and was formally recognized by the Vatican this past June.

Priests who pursue the ministry of exorcism "manifest the Church's love and acceptance of those who suffer because of the devil's works," Pope Francis wrote in a message to the association's president, Father Francesco Bamonte, Breitbart reported this week. The Holy See's approval of the International Association of Exorcists was "cause for joy not only for the association, but for the whole Church," Bamonte said.

The belief that demons exist and can possess people features in many religions, including Christianity. Exorcisms date back to the time of Jesus, who according to the Bible, "cast out demons."

Exorcism is "a highly unusual ministry for a situation in the human condition, which is quite rare, but it's growing in frequency," said Father Dwight Longenecker, a parish priest at Our Lady the Rosary in Greenville, South Carolina, who is not an exorcist, but supports the practice.

"Exorcism is a little bit like brain surgery in the spiritual realm," Longenecker told Live Science. Real exorcisms aren't quite as dramatic as Hollywood films such as "The Exorcist" would have you believe, but such movies do portray a version of events that actually happen, he said.

Signs that a person may be possessed, though never proven by science, include a great aversion to anything to do with the church, such as holy water or crucifixes; preternatural strength or knowledge; alien voices; and levitation or other paranormal phenomena, Longenecker said. Nevertheless, "we always look for natural explanations first," such as mental illness or addiction problems, he said.

Modern exorcists are normally experienced in both psychology and spiritual matters, and the job requires specialized training, said Longenecker, who writes a blog about the Catholic faith, called "Standing on My Head."

Exorcisms have been known to be harmful in some cases, perhaps due to the involvement of untrained exorcists, as news reports have attested. In 2011, a Virginia man was convicted in the death of his 2-year-old daughter for beating her to death in an attempt to rid her of demons, according to news reports.

The practice of eradicating demons is not unique to the Catholic Church, but it does have a long history with Christianity.

"It's really at the heart of the Church's mission, and it goes back to Jesus himself," said Dan Lord, a writer and director of religious education at the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist in Charleston, South Carolina.

Lord told Live Science he is glad to see the International Association of Exorcists making progress, but this isn't the first time the Church has recognized the group's efforts.

"They had the support of Pope St. John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI, too, so the approval of the [IAE's] statutes is just the latest step in what has been a fairly steady process," Lord said.

Still, Lord said today's exorcists often feel "undervalued," or suppressed by Catholic priests and bishops who "have jumped on the same materialistic, rationalistic bandwagon as so many others in society," he said.
 
Yet he does support exorcism, instead of actually helping people who are mentally ill who think they're possessed

I'd be willing to let them throw water on me. It's not a real issue. I guarantee most of them end up in the psychiatric hospital even after having freshly been painted with "holy water".
 
I'd be willing to let them throw water on me. It's not a real issue. I guarantee most of them end up in the psychiatric hospital even after having freshly been painted with "holy water".

I guess you already know that it's just tap water.

The Roman Cathoilc church is also against women's rights; but it's been this way for centuries.
 
Of course it's tap water. It's just the placebo test, only with different colored robes. The fact however that this Pope is advancing dogma is worth a pat on the back.
 
I think the main point is that this is such a tightly wound and controlled structure that even managing to cause a mediocre change for the better would be an achievement.
 
Oh yeah i'm sure Pope Francis is ordering the genocide of all non-catholics right now.... no doubt about it...
 
They clearly don't. Or didn't, I don't know about now but they sure missed a few!

I mean a large number of the sample gets "found out" or don't move on to become priests. Theres always a few "bad apples" If you look at the number of priests who are pedophiles compared to number of priests, its probably not a large percentage. You could say the same about any job, such as teachers, bus drivers, etc. They all have a few "bad apples." Again, just because they are priests does not mean they are not liable to sin like the rest of us. This comes from a Catholic man, but I'm sure many people would agree with this.
 
I guess you already know that it's just tap water.

The Roman Cathoilc church is also against women's rights; but it's been this way for centuries.

The Catholic Church as a whole is not again "women's rights." This is not what the Church stands for. The Church stands for protecting all human rights, which includes women. With this being said, we are against certain components of the Women's Rights Movement, such as contraception and abortion. One could argue that the Women's Rights Movement and "women's rights" are not synonymous, though. For example, being against abortion, means that we are protecting the life of an innocent child. Well, this can be fairly complicated and controversial, so I will not get too far into it. Many people have a range of opinions, and I think you all know where I stand in all of this. Peace!
 
James Dean was actually abused by a priest in childhood and it might be what made him gay.

James Dean was bisexual, and that was his sexual orientation.

Just because someone is sexually abused by an adult woman or man, or priest, that would not change their sexual orientation.
 
The Catholic Church as a whole is not again "women's rights." This is not what the Church stands for. The Church stands for protecting all human rights, which includes women. With this being said, we are against certain components of the Women's Rights Movement, such as contraception and abortion. One could argue that the Women's Rights Movement and "women's rights" are not synonymous, though. For example, being against abortion, means that we are protecting the life of an innocent child. Well, this can be fairly complicated and controversial, so I will not get too far into it. Many people have a range of opinions, and I think you all know where I stand in all of this. Peace!

I was referring not only to how the Roman Catholic church is not for contraception/birth control, and abortion-even in the case of rape/incest or when the mother's life is in danger if she gives birth or carries to full term; but also how they've never allowed a woman to officially become a priest, bishop, or pope.
 
I was referring not only to how the Roman Catholic church is not for contraception/birth control, and abortion-even in the case of rape/incest or when the mother's life is in danger if she gives birth or carries to full term; but also how they've never allowed a woman to officially become a priest, bishop, or pope.

We believe that since Jesus was male, and he only chose male as his apostles, that women cannot represent him when giving confessions or consecrating the host. Based on tradition, women can not imitate Christ in the Church. I'm sure a priest or theologian would have a more exact and detailed answer, but this is what I understand. If you got any more questions, I'm willing to answer them, but understand that this is stuff I have been taught and believe, I am not looking to argue or be subjugated by "trolls" or anything like that, that goes for everyone on this thread. I'm just trying to give a Catholic's two cents into the convo...

Also, if a mother's life is danger, then maybe that is what is meant to be? God must have that planned, it sounds shitty but their is a reason for everything, and we're all going to die one day, this is how life is. That baby may not even survive, but this is what God had planned. Maybe that child will grow up to influence events in the world or whatever. Its alot to think about, and I don't think everyone has answers. All we, as humans, have is faith that what we personally believe is right and work for each day to do the best we can do, no matter what. We may fail, but if we wake up to live another day, we should be thankful and work to fix things.

PEACE!!!
 
I doubt that anything will really change in the Vatican, but I don't think that Pope Francis is just an actor, or a puppet. Generally, Jesuit Priests aren't much for putting on a pretty face and saying whatever makes the people happy. Even if he doesn't reconstruct the Catholic Church, I'd bet money that he's trying his hardest and will continue to do so.
 
The Catholic Church as a whole is not again "women's rights." This is not what the Church stands for. The Church stands for protecting all human rights, which includes women. With this being said, we are against certain components of the Women's Rights Movement, such as contraception and abortion. One could argue that the Women's Rights Movement and "women's rights" are not synonymous, though. For example, being against abortion, means that we are protecting the life of an innocent child. Well, this can be fairly complicated and controversial, so I will not get too far into it. Many people have a range of opinions, and I think you all know where I stand in all of this. Peace!

Child? What child? There are no children being aborted..
 
The Catholic Church as a whole is not again "women's rights." This is not what the Church stands for. The Church stands for protecting all human rights, which includes women. With this being said, we are against certain components of the Women's Rights Movement, such as contraception and abortion. One could argue that the Women's Rights Movement and "women's rights" are not synonymous, though. For example, being against abortion, means that we are protecting the life of an innocent child. Well, this can be fairly complicated and controversial, so I will not get too far into it. Many people have a range of opinions, and I think you all know where I stand in all of this. Peace!

I truly, don't even remotely understand how the Christian Church managed to convince every Christian on the planet that abortion is immoral. Going to church for an education on the Bible--is like going to McDonalds to for an education on the culinary arts.
 
I doubt that anything will really change in the Vatican, but I don't think that Pope Francis is just an actor, or a puppet. Generally, Jesuit Priests aren't much for putting on a pretty face and saying whatever makes the people happy. Even if he doesn't reconstruct the Catholic Church, I'd bet money that he's trying his hardest and will continue to do so.

What makes this really interesting is that we, or the general public, are barely privy to 1% of what really goes behind those doors and anyone thinking otherwise are deluding themselves. This also makes us very hard for it to spot what he is really up do, is trying to achieve, or have accomplished. It's little more than a guess-game going on a gut-instinct for most of us.
 
What makes this really interesting is that we, or the general public, are barely privy to 1% of what really goes behind those doors and anyone thinking otherwise are deluding themselves. This also makes us very hard for it to spot what he is really up do, is trying to achieve, or have accomplished. It's little more than a guess-game going on a gut-instinct for most of us.

Indeed. I was just going off of how the man lived his life, and the organization he is associated with.
 
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