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Does believing in Evolution say a lot about you

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Here's just a few genetic mutations that are beneficial

http://bigthink.com/daylight-atheism/evolution-is-still-happening-beneficial-mutations-in-humans

Seeing as I know you don't read any link provided:

Apo-AI is one of the HDLs, already known to be beneficial because they remove cholesterol from artery walls. But a small community in Italy is known to have a mutant version of this protein, named Apolipoprotein AI-Milano, or Apo-AIM for short. po-AIM is even more effective than Apo-AI at removing cholesterol from cells and dissolving arterial plaques, and additionally functions as an antioxidant, preventing some of the damage from inflammation that normally occurs in arteriosclerosis.

Increased bone density. One of the genes that governs bone density in human beings is called low-density lipoprotein receptor-related protein 5, or LRP5 for short. Mutations which impair the function of LRP5 are known to cause osteoporosis. But a different kind of mutation can amplify its function, causing one of the most unusual human mutations known.
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Here's some more

http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/evolutionary-adaptation-in-the-human-lineage-12397

And you're still making yourself look like an idiot.
 
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How does a genetic mutation not count as a mutation
I never said genetic mutation didnt change the genome, jus that it uses the same information it already has .There is an error to the copying.
And gave an example of non beneficial mutation. Which are almost always harmful as I previously stated.
IF aids was spread by air and swooped the world, those with a stronger immune system would better survive. But the tiny tiny group of people that could fight it off or even eradicate it,
would lose all the other people that died mutations. And would have to run the gauntlet of dodging all the unbeneficial mutations that would kill a species in order to get them back.

Real problem when trying to make things like limbs and new parts. You need a very wide gene pool. Do you not?
Lowering a gene pool decreases odds as I mentioned above. Odds stop becoming in your favor when u have to use death to get your survived mutations
nice try tho
 
Bone density and being able to clear cholesterol are some of your big examples of how we explain the wonderful diversity and symmetry we see?

Talk about straw grasping
Show the flow where these mutations create new parts

Srry I dismantled your virus model
AND immune systems are great until they attack you. Some attacks on viruses seem great till they set of chain of reaction that causes auto immune response
 
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Wow.

Read the fucking link.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01

methamaniac said:
Bone density and being able to clear cholesterol are some of your big examples of how we explain the wonderful diversity and symmetry we see?
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No.. they were examples of beneficial mutations in humans.

AND immune systems are great until they attack you. Some attacks on viruses seem great till they set of chain of reaction that causes auto immune response
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That's a great design you've got there.

And again.. more unintelligible shite.
 
I checked it out an introduction to religion of evolution doesn't help the claptrap you are trying to prove.
Are you wanting me to argue FOR you in respects to your religion. Sorry I use my power for good

Back to the drawing board on those viruses, eh
Next you will tell me Ebola virus is beneficial
 
methamaniac said:
^^^
You are just ignorant to the mechanics that allow us to use our limbs. The extra limbs that are produced are not beneficial.
Babies born with two legs growing out their hips cant use those extra legs for everyday survival (has happened)
Go ahead and use your "imagination" to invision situation where those legs are useable and become dominant over two leg leg people.
I'm staying in reality.
talk about willfully blind
You need to go online and check out these awful abnormalities
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I clearly said in my post that an extra limb would not be beneficial to a human. I was just using your example to respond to you and draw a hypothetical picture. I was using it as an example of, IF IT WAS BENEFICIAL, the way in which a random mutation could lead to species evolution. Did you actually read my post or did you just react? You're pulling out phrases from peoples' posts and misrepresenting the actual meaning of the post in your replies.
 
When were we talking about Viruses?

Fuck me.

Your power? What power? Your power of ignorance? Your power to not be able to have a meaningful conversation?

There's a lot more on that site than the introduction page.. Read the site.. not just the introduction..

Answer me this.. Do you believe you are coming across well in this debate?
 
Xorkoth said:
But if it was beneficial enough to survival to have 3 arms (which I'm thinking it is not due to how our bodies have evolved, blood flow, etc), then that child might go on to reproduce more successfully and pass that mutated gene on. And over time it could become common in the population, and over more time it could spread even further, and after a substantial duration it could become a part of the human genome. And that would be evolution, started from a random mutation and driven by natural selection into a new feature of the species.
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You said "if it was" and "I am thinking its not"
Clearly trying to leave yourself an out.

You didnt claim it wasnt or you were humoring me. Thinking something is not isnt the same as it being not.

I can just go on what you write. Im not a mind reader.
Plus I never said you said anything
I believe you are in damage control. Or trying to have it both ways. Not sure which

RICO,
DUH WINNING
 
You have this misconception that evolution is some driving force for improvement when all it is is a rolling game of chance. Mutations and changes occur in almost every exchange of genetic material. The majority have no effect, positive or negative in how the next generation survives. Something significant like eyes may evolve over millions of generations that we look back on and assign an evolutionary leap, but eye colour may have zero reason to change yet gradually does.

Evolution isn't a theory, it is simply a way of describing change. Survival of the fittest isn't a preordained setting for life, the strongest and most genetically perfect may be social inept, therefore destined never to breed. A particular mutation may have no benefit at all, yet a natural disaster may wipe out an entire population, leaving behind a less than ideal subgroup for no other reason than one family slept in and missed the church service that Sunday morning. Evolution is no more a religion than supporting a sports team is. It is not driven by any external forces, it is simply another name we describe time. There are no rules stating all mutations must change for the good or bad. Change occurs because it has, whether it creates new species or wipes thousands out is not governed by rules. Bacteria become resistant to negative environmental forces or they don't. Dices roll millions of times without Mother Nature batting an eyelid or carving her commandments in stone tablets.

It is often difficult for religious folk who believe mankind is only 10 000 years old to grasp the concept of tens or hundreds of million years, just as it's hard for scientific folk to grasp accuracy in a game of Chinese whispers, where a text is passed on for hundreds of years verbally without error, destined to be taken literally word for word, despite multiple language translations. Trying to find a linear pattern of creation through evolutionary trees is naive to the fact that fossils themselves a just a geological lottery. The percentage of organisms whose remains are able to be preserved is a fraction of almost zero percent. Add to this the odds of finding these fossils and you begin to realise that rather than holding a complete jig saw puzzle of history, we only hold a handful of confetti from an entire library that has been shredded and scattered in the ocean. We are barely aware of all life that exists right now, let alone all life that has gone before us.
 
rickolasnice said:
When were we talking about Viruses?
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You are just evading now---flat out

You gave example of Hiv as beneficial mutation

I explained how it would not help evolution.
Thus not being beneficial to it. I e all the dead peoples loss of genes . Viruses are poor examples to use for a new mutation being formed because they are also harmful as well
They shrink the gene pool making it harder for you to have more mutations to choose from

All the loss of dead peoples mutations would out weigh any beneficial one.
here is where you reply
 
You idiot.. I gave a genetic mutation which caused immunity to HIV... Read the fucking links..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCR5

C-C chemokine receptor type 5, also known as CCR5 or CD195, is a protein on the surface of white blood cells that is involved in the immune system as it acts as a receptor for chemokines. This is the process by which T cells are attracted to specific tissue and organ targets. Many forms of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, initially use CCR5 to enter and infect host cells. A few individuals carry a mutation known as CCR5-Δ32 in the CCR5 gene, protecting them against these strains of HIV.
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Yeah.. you're winning this debate for sure.

Here's where you cry at your own stupidity.
 
A few people carry the mutation.
so what happens to all the people who dont.
AND what happens when another virus is introduced that this mutation interferes with ability to fight that new virus.
YOU ain't got unaltered DNA to go back to.
You have lost tons of mutations to gain one.
Better hope you dont need another saviour out of dead gene pool.
You seem bright Rico,
Why cant you grasp this
 
Hiv survival is a very dam poor example cause of its deadly consequences
A luck break for a select few. The kids of surviving parents get lucky cause they were. Nothing made decision to change. A lucky mutation that happens to tiny few
AND a swift death to tbe rest of the population infected that dont have the mutation----
losing all their mutations
Evolution has to keep getting lucky over and over and over and over and over
its only hail Mary is to have extremely large gene pool
with billions of survived mutations
most all mutations are weeded out by natural selection cause they are harmful

Can I make this any simpler
Surviving isnt good enough, we are talking about making new dam limbs like hands and wings
 
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Im starting to think some of you are ignorant to how life and nature works.
I am going to use a penguin for an example.
A penguin is perfectly designed to do what it has to do.
Its webbed feet and body design make it perfect for swimming in ocean super fast I might add. Perfect for cacting fish.
Now if a stress came along and forced it on land and it had to survive there it would die.
plain and simple cause its body is already set up to digest fish- not nuts and berries.
It has no arms or legs to hunt. IT HAS to get in that water and it knows that whether it gets eat or not ( ever watch them dodging sea lions) whatever stress you could make up to get it isolated on land----
It will never survive to produce anything if it dont get in that ocean.
Now a penguin can at least make it to land.
Now apply this same example to a fish
is it more likely to do what penguin cant?

Guess what , evolution says a fish is the reason you are here today.
It made it on land, kept the sun from burning it up, used its fully functional lungs, grabbed its wife, made kids, and then decided to go jump back in the ocean cause it missed it

NOTE: If you try to sidestep saying "millions of invisible tiny steps" you are skipping the stress that forces you out of water. AND the stress is catalyst for change. Remove it and you have not reason to get out the freaking water
 
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Except for that penguin born with the blunt beak who failed to break out of his shell and died.

The Galápagos Islands are a great microcosm of how evolution works. It's the reason Darwin had his aww shit moment. Groups of isolated islands populated by similar species yet developing into many different and unique species due to differing environmental forces.

You look at HIV as some sort of defunct yet I see it it as a great example of an organism who continues to evolved to survive.
 
A blunt beak dont even begin to help you with the problems you got going on outside the water. And there ain't no other food for a long long long way. So happy walking ----
(We webbed feet that is)
or scooting if your a fish.
^^^^
Well if you had hiv im sure you would agree its probably a disfunction
IF you think it is so great why dont you infect yourself with it? ( that's a question not a statement)

Thousanwords,
You said " developing into many new and different unique species"
It is lies like this that have you trapped and you are trapping others
No species have ever been observed let on proved to turn into another species
This is fact
You are using faith it can happen
Im asking you to please edit your post so it reads truthfully
 
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methamaniac said:
^^^
You are just ignorant to the mechanics that allow us to use our limbs. The extra limbs that are produced are not beneficial.
Babies born with two legs growing out their hips cant use those extra legs for everyday survival (has happened)
Go ahead and use your "imagination" to invision situation where those legs are useable and become dominant over two leg leg people.
I'm staying in reality.
talk about willfully blind
You need to go online and check out these awful abnormalities
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Genetic mutation relating to evolution are often on a small scale, a minor coding error. Its not likely that bats, for example, suddenly found themselves with wings after one individual grew them. Its a gradual, slow process.

Can I ask you a question- if not evolution, what exactly is happening? Why have dogs (Canis lupus familiaris), for example, diversified so much and yet, genetically, seem to be directly related to the Grey Wolf (Canis Lupus) only? Why are breeds like Chihuahua's and St Bernards so different to one another, despite sharing a very recent (i.e. 100,000 years ago) ancestor? Could it be- GASP- changes in genetic code being reproduced and shared amongst offspring, thus reinforcing these changes in code and ensuring its inclusion in future generations? Could it be that selective pressure, applied by human breeders, has altered the physical and mental attributes of dogs or is it random?

FWIW, I don't expect you to be able to answer these questions because you have demonstrated a huge lack of knowledge in these matters. You don't seem to understand what evolution is, that it has no intent or will behind it, but is a reflection of the environment and a genetic reaction to it. There is no other way to adequately explain the fossil record, the genome of living creatures and the processes of evolution that we can observe in lab settings. You've yet to bring any actual information to this discussion and have focused on being rude and dismissive of those who do add something.
 
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