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The Ferguson thread / additional race discussion

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And it may simply be correlated to socioeconomic status. But even so, this ratio showing the big bad white man shooting blacks isn't giving the whole truth. Some things I've read say they- blacks are up to 40 times more likely to commit some kind of violent crime... I'm not sure if it was interracial crime or simply violent crime.

This is not me trying to be racist, but if you want to bring numbers without explanation (not you I know), with whatever agenda, there are a lot of numbers that might help explain why the other numbers are seen, no matter the reasons further.
 
Good to see nothing has changed. Bit_pattern do you not get tired of whining about the atrocities caused by white people why not look at the positives? We invented buildings, cars, electricity, the roads your ideology loves so much, and much much more all for the betterment of 1rst world countries across this planet. And these countries are full of people of all races and religions.
 
I don't know if they invented buildings :) And we could argue that whites didn't create the wheel which all their machines use or depended on to be made (though, I don't know, was it created multiple times/places? It might have been, but was it, as we are?), and that their technological advancement wouldnt have been exactly as it is, without middle eastern farmers migrating in to Europe, and yada (but I don't quite know, I just know its not clear cut and dry). But yes, things seemed to culminate through whitey, recently, and it seems to act as a vessel, recently- their nations- their culture programs.
 
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Good to see nothing has changed. Bit_pattern do you not get tired of whining about the atrocities caused by white people why not look at the positives? We invented buildings, cars, electricity, the roads your ideology loves so much, and much much more all for the betterment of 1rst world countries across this planet. And these countries are full of people of all races and religions.

Sooo... Your point is that I should ignore racism when I see it because white people "invented buildings", lol?
 
A white person shooting a black person isn't automatically racist.

The problem underlined in Ferguson is institutional racism. It doesn't matter if someone has a black friend, or doesn't necessarily hate black people or if there's a black cop on duty. This doesn't negate the institutionalized, systemic racism that shows itself even more when in the spotlight.
 
A little off topic but I actually had a really vivid nightmare that I ran into brown that day and he stabbed me to death. I'm guessing it is b/c I read an article where they interviewed that store clerk he roughed up prior to the events that occurred, last night. Apparently the officer in questions record was above suspicion as well iirc
 
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...l-brown-reached-ferguson-officers-gun-n231391

The official autopsy on Michael Brown, leaked to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, suggests that he was shot in the hand at close range and may have reached for the police officer’s gun, outside experts told the newspaper.

That would contradict what private experts reported after they conducted an autopsy for Brown’s family. Those experts said there were no signs of a struggle between Brown and Officer Darren Wilson, who shot him to death Aug. 9 in the suburb of Ferguson.

A supplemental examination in the official autopsy published by the Post-Dispatch found material “consistent with products that are discharged from the barrel of a firearm” in Brown’s right hand.

Dr. Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist not involved in the autopsy, told the newspaper that the finding “supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has gunpowder particulate material in the wound.” Melinek also told the newspaper that the autopsy did not support witness accounts that the fatal shot, later, was fired while Brown was running away from the officer or had his hands up.

The Post-Dispatch also reported Wednesday, citing an unnamed source with knowledge of the matter, that Wilson has told investigators that Brown pressed the barrel of the gun against Wilson’s hip during a struggle inside the officer’s SUV
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So.... He was reaching for the officer's gun 20 yards away from the cruiser?

Wat? You cant dispute the facts unless you believe second hand gossip and that there is a conspiracy. Brown was a violent thug that reached for the officers gun and got what was coming to him. Not matter you age, gender, or race you cannot try and take an officers gun. Give it up man the progressives lose this one but at least you still got OJ
 
^If you're looking to troll, you know where the lounge is.

My question was regarding the sentence I quoted. It doesn't make logical sense given what we already know. If the fatal shot occurred in the cruiser where Brown was struggling to grab the weapon, did he run several yards from the car before collapsing? Was he then shot multiple times again while laying on the pavement? Was he shot 6 times while in the car before running away and collapsing?

His body was a good distance away from the car, suggesting that he ran away at some point.
 
GAME OVER? Official Autopsy Suggests Michael Brown Was Not Surrendering, Attempted to Take Officer’s Gun

Posted by Bob Owens on October 22, 2014 at 7:43 am

It appears that the “Hands Up, Don’t Shoot” chant of the local protestors, outside agitators, and violent rioters that have plagued Ferguson, Missouri, since early August is based on fiction, according to experts who have reviewed Michael Brown’s official autopsy.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch report this morning that the official autopsy of Michael Brown supports the version of events told by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson, and flatly contradicts the claims of many of the eyewitnesses.

One of the results was apparent confirmation that Michael Brown attacked Officer Wilson in his police Tahoe SUV, and was attempting to take Officer Wilson’s gun when he was first shot.

Michael Brown was shot at extreme close range in the thumb.

[St. Louis medical examiner Michael] Graham said the examination indicated a shot traveled from the tip of Brown’s right thumb toward his wrist. The official report notes an absence of stippling, powder burns around a wound that indicate a shot fired at relatively short range.

But Graham said, “Sometimes when it’s really close, such as within an inch or so, there is no stipple, just smoke.”

The report on a supplemental microscopic exam of tissue from the thumb wound showed foreign matter “consistent with products that are discharged from the barrel of a firearm.”

Dr. Judy Melinek, a forensic pathologist in San Francisco, said the autopsy “supports the fact that this guy is reaching for the gun, if he has gunpowder particulate material in the wound.” She added, “If he has his hand near the gun when it goes off, he’s going for the officer’s gun.”

The autopsy and forensics collected inside and outside Officer Wilson’s Chevrolet Tahoe shows that there was a significant struggle inside the vehicle as the 6’4′, 292 lbs Brown attacked Officer Wilson and attempted to take his gun. Roughly half of all police officers killed in the line of duty were killed by suspects disarming officers and using the gun against the officer.

Dr. Judy Melinek says that the report also contradicts witnesses that say Brown was shot from behind, and says that the wounds to Michael Brown’s arms show that he did not have had his hands up in a “I surrender” position.

Melinek also said the autopsy did not support witnesses who have claimed Brown was shot while running away from Wilson, or with his hands up.

She said Brown was facing Wilson when Brown took a shot to the forehead, two shots to the chest and a shot to the upper right arm. The wound to the top of Brown’s head would indicate he was falling forward or in a lunging position toward the shooter; the shot was instantly fatal.

A sixth shot that hit the forearm traveled from the back of the arm to the inner arm, which means Brown’s palms could not have been facing Wilson, as some witnesses have said, Melinek said. That trajectory shows Brown probably was not taking a standard surrender position with arms above the shoulders and palms out when he was hit, she said.

The autopsy also shows that Michael Brown had a significant amount of THC in his system at the time of this death, suggesting that he may have been impaired at the time of his death.

There is some speculation that a slow and steady leak of information about the events leading up to Michael Brown’s death is part of an attempt by authorities to deflate tensions ahead of the release of the grand jury’s findings, expected to be released in November.

Anarchists, racial power groups, communists, would-be revolutionaries, anti-police groups and the Democrat Party have all attempted to exploit the shooting and the botched police response to further their personal and political agendas.

A leak of the FBI’s report to the New York Times several days ago says that the federal government found no basis for a civil rights case against officer Darren Wilson.

Firearms sales in the area have been far above normal levels since the August shooting, and there has been a dramatic increase in firearms training in the greater St. Louis area.

Walmart stores in the area made the decision to secure ammunition outside of public view after protests at some area stores turned violent last week, and the ammunition at the Ferguson Walmart remained under lock and key to protect it from potentially being looted.

UPDATE: The Washington Post is reporting that “more than a half dozen” Ferguson residents who were eyewitnesses to the shooting largely corroborate police officer Darren Wilson’s version of events.

Ferguson, Mo., police officer Darren Wilson shot and killed unarmed teenager Michael Brown after they fought for control of the officer’s gun and after Brown moved toward Wilson as they faced off in the street, according to interviews, news accounts and the full report of the St. Louis County autopsy of Brown’s body.

Because Wilson is white and Brown was black, the case has ignited intense debate over how police interact with African American men. But more than a half-dozen unnamed black witnesses have provided testimony to a St. Louis County grand jury that largely supports Wilson’s account of events of Aug. 9, according to several people familiar with the investigation who spoke with The Washington Post.

Some of the physical evidence — including blood spatter analysis, shell casings and ballistics tests — also supports Wilson’s account of the shooting, The Post’s sources said, which cast Brown as an aggressor who threatened the officer’s life. The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because they are prohibited from publicly discussing the case.

Where were these witnesses earlier? Were they too afraid to tell their stories, perhaps fearful of retaliation if they contradicted the mythological tale woven by agitators and activists?
 
^If you're looking to troll, you know where the lounge is.

My question was regarding the sentence I quoted. It doesn't make logical sense given what we already know. If the fatal shot occurred in the cruiser where Brown was struggling to grab the weapon, did he run several yards from the car before collapsing? Was he then shot multiple times again while laying on the pavement? Was he shot 6 times while in the car before running away and collapsing?

His body was a good distance away from the car, suggesting that he ran away at some point.

Just b/c I made a joke at the end doesnt mean I was trolling. I know this is a tough loss but we both knew that the autopsy was gonna prove one side right and the other wrong. The guy was 240 lbs I suppose he could of still ran a good bit before collapsing one thing for sure is he was not shot in the back and the majority of the eye witnesses were lying. Still a tragedy all around imho
 
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