Benzos (thienodiazepine) Etizolam Megathread V2

[lolwhatzdrugs]

I figured the stuff has to be at least as thin as PEG.

As for the scoop, that's pretty close! (I still treat it as if a heaping scoop could have 20 mg just in case....)

 

[MagickalKat777]

I figured the stuff has to be at least as thin as PEG.

As for the scoop, that's pretty close! (I still treat it as if a heaping scoop could have 20 mg just in case....)

Yeah I haven't opened the bottle yet but its in a clear plastic bottle and it seems to be maybe slightly thicker than water... certainly not like a syrup like I had heard.

I will always actually weigh out the scoops, I just want to have an easy way to pull the powder out. Baggies are a pain in the ass. I miss the days of the cobalt blue vials that FedEx brought to my door...

 

[lolwhatzdrugs]

I believe it's just more dense (I don't know that at all for sure, just a guess from holding the bottle - I could be totally wrong) but still has a very high viscosity.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Well,

I'm glad I can get powder etizolam from inside my country in my own currency and not rely on these british sites (some are fine, but those that seem the most fine do not send to Canada...which is bizarre, I got plenty of flubromazepam 8mg pellets from one GBP demanding place since a good while, those indeed work.

I'll keep to powder etizolam and those flubromazepam (well, I most likely will be getting some flubromazolam blotter and clonazolam pills, at least those have a lot of good hype, commentary on what those british sites are trying to replace etizolam with, deschloro-etizolam (and my own experience) tells me the shit is either weak like Oxazepam or bunk, at the place I bought the 6mg pellets which has excellent flubromaz and nicotine e-liquid...I find it weird an established vendor would start selling crap but it seems to be the case.

Powder etizolam is a thorn in my side though, I have a 0,001 precise scale, but I can seem to only measure 10mg+ of it with it unlike some other compounds that require doses of 2mg or so which the scale does weight out, it seems like the fluffy etizolam powder has problem establishing pressure on the scale (correct me if what I'm talking about is gibberish, but its what i,m experiencing, measured lots of 5-meo-mipt doses on that scale without problem (and normal doses of 6-8mg, not what some people recklessly incite others in taking (20mg...only taking 10mg of 5-meo-mipt has sent me into panic attack followed by ego loss while waiting for the doctor at the ER ( I had done the brilliant decision of taking the stuff when I was a day early before I could renew my diazepam script).

They should come up with brotizolam blotter too, it's a thienodiazepine....the vendor I speak of will not stock RC benzos, they stock powder etizolam because it's not a benzo thus not illegal. I don't know if the Canadian laws really schedule all benzodiazepines automatically even if they are not RX-able. One thing is clear, next pay means flubromazolam blotter and etizolam powder, I'll do without flubromazepam, the vendor who sold me god knows what as deschloro-etizolam, or, even if it is really deschloro-etizolam, gave me money for a completely shitty product and should be punished...I should have just called my friend who's scripted 120 30mg Oxazepams a month and get 25 from him instead, it's not like he even takes em much.

 

[rave_itsrealfun!!!]

How much of an issue is the prolactin increase with long term use?

I use 6mg a day for the past year (I have chronic back pain and it really helps me with that. I was bedridden in hell and ready to die. Benzo/thieno addiction is better than death).

Thanks to this drug I'm back in graduate school now, getting straight A's. I also developed extreme, 24/7 panic attack after suffering from the pain in my spine for way too long, and looking everywhere for help from complacent doctor fools who were fuckin the dog doing jack shit for me. So the panic relief, and muscle relaxant properties (WAY better MR than alprazolam by the way, in my case), it's really been a lifesaver.

Is there anything I can do to counteract the prolactin increase? I do a lot of cardio exercise now that along with my oxycodone I am able to be mobile again. I believe this increases testosterone, since my legs are being worked. But I don't know enough about hormones, biology isn't something I know very much about.

I have a built chest since I've been able to do my yoga again, thanks to etizolam and oxycodone. I don't want it to turn into a rack.

 

[Professer]

Baggies are a pain in the ass !!! Ill pay $5 extra for it to come vialed, or, whatever.

Rave, you sound just like me cept im starting on the etiz train now. Muscle pain and bedridden-ness gone. Also social anxiety. And my doocs SUCK too. Useless so far. Also, long term opioid use = lack of testosterone. FYI.

 

[liftedgift]

seems like the powder would be easier to argue it's legality since you could say it's not for human consumption and also the small package it would require. Pills in blister packs that say not to be distributed unless by a license practitioner...yeah not so much leeway.

 

[rave_itsrealfun!!!]

Baggies are a pain in the ass !!! Ill pay $5 extra for it to come vialed, or, whatever.

Rave, you sound just like me cept im starting on the etiz train now. Muscle pain and bedridden-ness gone. Also social anxiety. And my doocs SUCK too. Useless so far. Also, long term opioid use = lack of testosterone. FYI.

What are the symptoms of low testosterone. I have a feeling that mine is way too high haha.

Isn't it frustrating, how miserably terrible the doctors are. They SUCK ASS at their jobs, I've been to like 10. They can't deal with my problems at all. I can self medicate so much better from doing a little research and getting finding some legit drug hookups, which is laughable. The dream is to get the fuck out of this country and move someplace I can pay a doc off for some valium, ativan, xanax, and percocet. Maybe a nice tropical island. Maybe somewhere where they will actually make an effort to research and study what is wrong with me, and do various tests rather than the bare minimum. Maybe actually figure out how to fix this horrific, saddening pain problem. I have truly been through HELL.

I asked for hormone checks, the doctors response was "why are you requesting these expensive health tests?" Ummm because my body is FUCKED and I want to make sure everything's ok with me, asshole? This free health care system is bullshit, and it's not even free cause the meds still cost a damned fortune. I never knew how bad it was until I got chronic pain. If I ever broke a bone, I'd be treated fine.

I use around 5mg of oxycodone a day - at most 10mg and I've been doing this for a long time since I have excruciating chronic pain in my spine. The etizolam doesn't quite mask my crippling pain issues, but it works wonders on the extreme chronic panic attacks I developed as a result of horrible fucking medical "care" - I'd prefer to call it medical harm done by doctors. I started getting panic attacks after enduring unbearable stress when I was hopelessly seeking help for my pain, suffering 24/7 truly in hell all the while losing my career from the pain, I lost a lot. For two years I did nothing but suffer in agony. Then I had my very first psychotic break. I had to quit smoking pot which sucked balls, I used to be a huge pothead and those were the glory days. Can't touch the stuff now, ever since I went nuts.

Anyways, I'm much more concerned about the effects of my etizolam use on my body than my oxycodone use. Doesn't exercise increase testosterone anyway; I can only exercise after a percocet or I'd never be able to. If I was taking, say 30mg oxycodone or more a day, then I'd be a bit more concerned about that. 6mg of etizolam daily is quite a lot though. I try to take other benzos that don't have the prolactin effect, but they just don't have the same therapeutic value of etizolam. It's such an awesome medicine, it brings me down from panicking out of my mind to a chill state of mind, and it relieves my back pain just a little bit which is something to say.

I'd really like to try valium, that's the one I haven't been able to track down yet. I hear it's a great muscle relaxant. A valium + etizolam combo treatment seems like it might be awesome for me.

And etizolams works really well with these low doses of oxycodone. I'm functioning better than ever, really, and I feel upbeat, energetic, although the pain is still there I don't give as much of a fuck about it and it's definitely lessened in sensation. I'm still pretty fucked from it and I have to lay down a lot, but I've come a long way. Just the fact that I can walk around is something to say.

They were complacent about my chronic pain, given me fuckin anti-inflams for two years, all the while going back begging for mercy to no avail. Going back again and again, coming to resent those doctor monkeys. I eventually had a psychotic break because I had an existential crisis since I used to be an engineer and I was reduced to doing absolutely nothing with my life other than smoke pot and drink beer all day. I wasn't satisfied with that, and I went broke when I used to be making a lot. Then I was prescribed seroquel of all things... like I was schizophrenic and they wanted me to consider checking myself into a mental institution.

After a few months of listening to them (being braindead from the seroquel didn't help) I got the fuck off that filth of a drug and ever since my life has been back on track. Getting straight A's in grad school feels great, after wasting two years of my life suffering. All I needed was a little benzos and oxy, wish I would have known. This could have been prevented by more compassionate, less ignorant, and... well let's face it, these doctors were motherfuckin scum to me. Who the fuck puts someone with extreme anxiety and chronic spine pain on seroquel and sends them on their way, recommended bullshit pseudo treatments like physiotherapy and acupuncture which would never in a million years help one bit... although I do like my chinese cupping to be honest, not that it does all that much. It's pretty chill and relaxing, and I dare say trippy... even if it doesn't do much for my pain.

If somebody would tell me what country has the best health care in the world that would be nice of you, because that is where I need to be. It sure as hell isn't Canada, this place is a hellhole for health care.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

Doctors have been awesome regarding my methadone caused low testosterone, I just asked to take some very complete blood tests and my GP said you need to see a Men's Health Specialist right away. Since a year and a half I subcutaneously inject Delatestryl (testosterone) and had the methadone switched to suboxone. Now the testosterone gave me problems itself, but the Men's Health Doc, who is my GP now too, my GP retired without warning...has scripted me anti estrogen called anastrazole because of all the bumps I'd develop on my chest in my fatty tissue (had very small manboobs because of the testosterone, it's a side effect right in the insert of Delatestryl..), now its no longer painful to push on my nipple's areas and I have been seen by an endocrinologist twice now. None of the doctors taking care of me suck, you're just unlucky my friend, or have problems presenting your symptoms. I don't know where you're from though, if from Britiain, I guess you would be right in saying the NHS sucks, from what I read....it's nothing like Canada, its almost still completely illegal to have a 2 speed system, doctors can go private but barely do because of the massive primes if they are willing to go work somewhere very far away from home, and most do this, it has helped us in the more northern (not taiga/tundra areas inb4 jokes), just in the areas not so close to the US border with the 3 mega cities and its suburbs. I always hate hearing about people having problems with their health care or just doctors/ER. But now the system here knows that I have a massive case of trigeminal neuralgia coupled TMJ Disorder on the same side of my face (left) and have all the x-rays and mri's in the world to show them the proofs. Since then, I've been treated a lot better, told a couple specialists that they should have scripted me opiates like the original doctor (dental surgeon specialist of the jaw) who got me on opiates and poof 6 months later retired and the rest is easy to guess what happened....the lack of care/belief in my health issue caused me to develop GAD/high blood pressure. I would have never needed in 2007 a doctor to script me clonazepam and in 2008 clonidine for high BP and anxiety (my old GP was like "this takes care of both, so why throw in a potentially non-fitting (for you) drug in. The muscle relaxant effects of benzos have helped with the pain a little originally, but those effects dissipate after a year or two, only anxiolytic effects remain in place, and it's mostly because they keep you of wd...I was furious at the system not taking my pain issues correctly and the fact there was no pain clinic in this 200 000 people city, but now there is one and that's where i'm being transfered after I go back on methadone, reduce by a few mg's every month, until my dose of methadone is in the range that regular painkillers (I'll most likely be scripted Hydromorph Contins 18mg or 24mg with Dilaudid 8mg every 4 hours judging from what the doctor I see the most at the ORT clinic (he's also a pain doctor, he's a pro regarding opiates).

All I can say is good luck, and it's surprising our health care system hasn't been changed and ripped off or even torn down by the "Conservative" party, which has since it has a majority mandate in 2011 been destroying Canadian institutions, passing anti-contitutional laws and even messing with our democratic system with a law funnily enough, or Orwellian..."Fair Elections Act" that takes power away from neutral election officers to government officials....it didn't pass in it's original form because even the UN has been chastising the governing federal party about it...but it's still a way to fuck with people's right to vote. Everyone who has no phone, no internet, no cable just to they can be able to pay the rent and not live homeless (there's lots of people like that) cannot produce more ID than their Health Access card, which isn't enough, you need 2, and a birth certificate isn't one of the accepted (many over 40 ways....my ass, but it's the lie they keep repeating) means of ID because in Canada birth certificates are emitted by Provinces. So no bills to your address because you are dirt poor and you will be excluded from elections, which is exactly what Conservatives want. In Canada people do not usually vote for people who are working actively against their interests..that sems to be an american thing heh. Still, I'm sure that in a year when election times come, people will vote in droves to kick Harper out, through the NDP again or through the Liberals who are now back to their original status, at least in prestige, they weren't torn to shreds like the real Tories who disappeared when this new "Conservative" party was formed out of the 2 Conservative MP's left during the 90's and early 2000's (lol) that fused with the Canadian Alliance (far right right wing white power-lite party) and the Reform Party (batshit insane, tea party like people, which is where Harper comes from, not the original PCP (Progressive-Conservative Party, who weren't so bad, centre-right, but who like the liberals 10 years later were caught in a big money scandal which destroyed them from coast to coast leaving them to 3 seats only in Ottawa (lol) and even the NDP was very weak then, the Chrétien years were awesome in retrospect, a guy who has the balls to tell Bush Jr. and Cheney "fuck you and your coalition, you will cause hell in that region of the globe for what? And it'll never end in our lifetimes", yes, this is a more or less accurate quote of what he told em back in late 2002 when the bulllshit case against Iraq was made (after 10 years of genocide by embargo).

Sorry, your post really cranked me up, it's because i've been awakened by punk music/ideology and then psychedelics in my late teen years that I've developed this unstoppable rage against all of these bastards.

 

[weekend addiction]

If somebody would tell me what country has the best health care in the world that would be nice of you, because that is where I need to be. It sure as hell isn't Canada, this place is a hellhole for health care.

It's the best for the rich. If you have a lot of money and good insurance you can receive much better treatment than in countries with free health care. In fact many rich people come from Canada to America to see private doctors. If you don't have much money and or you have bad insurance then health care sucks here. So next time you hear "best healthcare" just add "for the rich" to the end of it and it will make more sense.

 

[Professer]

so if i have to 24hr cold turkey from a 5-10mg (excluding the 1 binge per order)day habbit for a month or so....

woulg things like booze, baclofen (gabaB), methocarbamol (shit drug but hits gabaA) help deter any WD's

Id maybe take lower doses of DXM to feel something/distract myself too.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

so if i have to 24hr cold turkey from a 5-10mg (excluding the 1 binge per order)day habbit for a month or so....

woulg things like booze, baclofen (gabaB), methocarbamol (shit drug but hits gabaA) help deter any WD's

Id maybe take lower doses of DXM to feel something/distract myself too.

I'd say it's better than nothing.. i got off it by using equiv dose of phenazepam and tapering (still tapering) im now starting to add little doses ~300mg 2-3x day to the mix to keep my mind occupied by thinking im taking something to get high (even though at those low doses i still get some effect weirdly enough, no clue why people take grams on grams of it)
Working for me.. im at 5mg phenaz a day.. lets hope i can keep my self control with it.

-HOOD

 

[Professer]

thanks for input, maybe i could take 1ml of PG for a placebo type thinglike you mentioned? Im fond of the taste and my 1ml oral syringe

edit: anyone else get a serious reduction in appetite with etiz? I sure do, and enjoy it.

 

[THE_REAL_OBLIVION]

It's the best for the rich. If you have a lot of money and good insurance you can receive much better treatment than in countries with free health care. In fact many rich people come from Canada to America to see private doctors. If you don't have much money and or you have bad insurance then health care sucks here. So next time you hear "best healthcare" just add "for the rich" to the end of it and it will make more sense.

I'm sorry but it doesn't work that way, Canada being a Confederation, provinces have many rights and responsibilities, federal gov just splits the money to the provinces and provinces do as they wish and health care differs a lot depending on province. My province has a high rating but has a problem of GP shortage, which can cause ER's to be filled with people who shouldn't be there, thankfully pharmacists are going to be given, soon, the right to renew people's scripts for multiple months (until someone can see a specialist, or script you benzos they know it could be deadly for you to be without Even in my hometown, where I come from, there is a service unique to all of north america, well, I don't know if that is still true but it was in the 80's and 90's, created in 82, that service offers a doctor to come to your house, with a nurse to take care of you, starting from 7h45 am when they open the lines. Of course since the Federal government gives less and less money (fuck you Harper) to the provinces for Health, the thing rings occupied all the time, you gotta be willing to redial over and over, but the last time I used them when still living there, I redialed for 45 minutes then finally got through. The doctor arrived 40 minutes later, diagnosed the problem, which I kinda suspected it was after reading all night online and sitting 6 to 8 hours in the ER was not an option considering the problem I had, I've took a chance and I got through, the doctor not only diagnosed me correctly right away, he scripted me Oxy IR's 10mg every 6 hours (30 of them) with the antibiotics and went on his way, also gave me a paper for a surgeon because the issue I had required a surgeon or else the infection would come back all the time because of where it was situated...(beginning of ass crack, its called a pilonidal sinus...horrible painful shit). Try having a doctor examine you and treat perfectly in less than an hour after calling to see one, at home nonetheless, in most of the world.

This opinion you're emitting here is not yours, it's old myth from as old as the late 90's on usenet used by extreme right wing armed militia types. We have private clinics since the mid 2000's in my province and all provinces, doctors who go private usually keep the patients they had on the single payer system though, which is good, my GP takes both public and private. Being educated and showing you take care of your body when ill (for example, showing up at the ER after 5 days of suffering from something pulmonary, not right away, with a bag containing all the medication you've bought yourself and tell the docs once seen in the examination room how you've been using them "taking a fast acting tylenol gelcap every 4 hours for fever, sudafed extended release every 12 hours, tried a cough syrup but as usual that DM ingredient makes me sick and does not work" has me walking out with antibiotics (after taking a chest x-ray) and a big z jar of pure hydrocodone syrup. People act shitty towards most government employees including doctors.

The problem in ER's are nurses, nurses here do not need 3 years of university, they can take just 3 years at a technical college to be nurses and many countries are chastising us for not making that mandatory, especially Norway, a country who we base our system the most on. ER triage is sometimes really crappy because they will only consider one symptom. You start telling em why you're there and then they'll cut you off and say "What is the main reason you are here?" ugh.

Speaking of medical tourism, what I know of is Americans driving/flying to Canada, to fly to Cuba (we don't stamp your passports when you want to go to Cuba so you don't get into trouble) to pay Cuban doctors to take care of you. Cuba is rated #1 in the Education and #1 in the Health Index (both on long list of 7-10 countries who have equal indexes), a very interesting place Cuba is, shows that communism can work, if they could do commerce with the US (which the US will never do, as long as it remains communist, which is an illegal practice), they would be one of the top HDI (Human Development Index) countries (the formula to calculate that contains the indexes mentioned and some other things). There's a documentary about Cuba one should watch, I forgot its name but, it shows how everyone is helping their neighbors do whatever, nobody locks their doors, this guy had a remote to repair and visited a lot of random people in the neighborhood for a piece to repair the TV remote and everyone had large notions of electricity and physics, ended up repairing his TV remote after visiting 5 or 6 people who all et him in their house welcomed. Same thing with another man who's house roof was caving and letting rain come in and he didn't have money to repair ( of course) but the whole neighborhood men helped him repair the roof with nothing to ask in return. Something that was impossible to do as a one man job was done by multiple neighbors, majority he did not know but they all did it without whining or asking for favours in return.

Very interesting how Cubans lack greed, after being communist for long enough, they're proving that the whole idea that greed is ingrained inside human nature is wrong and that it is a nurtured trait, not a natural one.

 

[Professer]

On topic please. This holiday screwed me, but im getting by ok. 1 dose left 4 2morrow after dis sleeping pills

Switching to diclaz 2morow afternoon... gotta figure out PG soluability and dose equivilance

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

Wish i could help ya with that but never used diclaz.. googling will bring some equiv results i would think, or at least enough to give you an idea of about how much to take per dose.
Usually pure benzo powders in PG will dissolve for sure at 30% even less so if you use something like everclear to mix in with the PG, but id say with PG and water:
Fill your vial 30% full of PG and add benzo powder, cap shake vigorously and it WILL dissolve since thats 100% PG in the vial, next add 35% of the distilled water and shake again let sit and make sure it stays dissolved (it should) than if you had no problems with the first 35% water, add the second bit of water to finish it off and you should be good.
Always worked with me to make IVable phenaz solutions but i would add 1% benzyl alcohol (only cuz it was for IV use, plus I would use IVable water and not just distilled) but im assuming you are dosing orally.
Good luck bro.

Oh shit.. and i forgot to mention, (of course you know this, but others reading might not) it will depend on how strong (mg per ml) you make the solution which would be deciding how much powder to add to the PG in the first place depending on your sized vial. (since 30% PG in a 100mg vial would hold more PG than filling a 30ml vial 30% full of PG.

FOR ME: I used to get 5mg phenaz per ml easily made in a 30ml vial using the 30% PG per solution method.


-HOOD

 

[LearntYoung]

Discipline and a lot of it is required to handle this bitch.
Not going too well atm, gave away half my stash as harm reduction, but still have crazy binges every now and then

 

[lukerips]

1*fexofenadine 180, 6mg alprazalam, codeine cwe 600mg. Is this ok?
Did Alpraz hard years ago but first time today. CWE everyday for 6mths. Under impression fexo is potentiator(first time). Dah! I'm a scoobie.

 

[samm2]

There's a lot of fear it's being pulled over here in the UK too.

A well known online vendor is shifting their stock at half price and replacing it with deschlroetizolam... Just bought 1,000 tablets as they had 50% off.

I think you mean pellets.....what do think of the quality? Some threads back someone mentioned not good quality.

 

[Professer]

pluggint etiz powder, better than sublingual?