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^ i tend to agree.

the simple fact is that synchronicity is mundane - it's just two or more things happening at the same time. it's happening around us all the time in astronomically large numbers. it's individuals who (try to) give the occurrences of synchronicity meaning. it's completely subjective and all of what 23's posts demonstrate this plainly.

the thing hey/they can't/won't see is that, in order for the incidence of synchronicity he's/they're describing to appear so spookily special, he/they have to discount or ignore billions and billions of other thoroughly mundane, simultaneous coincidences which have no meaning to him/them.

in the context in which these events are happening, they could not be more ordinary.
willow11 said:
3 + 4 is 7; edited at 3.47.
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what about the 5?

alasdair
 
Its not that I discount them. I've literally gone into a kind or mania trying to find it all, before. Certain things are just right on the surface, just like the road I've been on. It doesn't require too much to see. And I do find it meaningful to my path.

It is coincidence that two things happen at the same time. Synchronicity was coined to refer specifically to meaningful coincidences. When you say "Coincidence? I think not.", I have to say it doesn't really make sense. Of course its a coincidence. Everything is. But how much of one? How can you anchor it? That's part of what separates synchronicity and mere coincidence for me. The human mind is of course part of it. A vital component is consciousness.

Its not that I discount them (everything else), but I'm unconscious of a lot.
 
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alasdairm said:
what about the 5?
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Exactly.

8o

edit: should note that nothing happened at 03.47 from my perspective- this was all occurring at 8.47pm in Australia.

So I therefore propose that what23's post edit is firm evidence of time travel. Or a spherical earth. Either of the two.
 
willow11 said:
To assume that the universe exists in a way that takes YOU into account is incorrect.
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I couldn't agree less. I personally have never seen the merits of a worldview that takes us sentient beholders and what we bring to the table in the very act of beholding entirely out of the equation. Don't get me wrong, "being objective" is a useful thought experiment which sheds light in some situations and is useful in accomplishing some goals. In other words it's a tool; like all tools it's limited as to what it can do. And in my own experience, if connection, meaning, and finding your mission in life are your aim, it's the wrong tool for the job. YMMV.

What 23, what exactly are you trying to do by looking for and publicly documenting synchonicities?
Willow and alasdairm, what exactly are you trying to do by reframing another person's documentation of synchronicities in a way that negates the concept?
 
i'm offering what 23 the perspective that there could be another far simpler, far more likely explanation for what he's seeing.

i know this cuts both ways. i'd be much more open to what 23's position that some of these occurrences are mystical/significant/whatever if he didn't have to shoehorn them into his view in quite so contrived a manner.

if i looked into the night sky and the stars were spelling out 'alasdairm', i'd probably change my opinion. but, when you have to cherry pick the variables, and reverse some of them but not all of them, and ignore the ones that don't fit, etc. then it all starts to look very ordinary, doesn't it?

alasdair
 
I'm not cherry picking when they fall at my feet. That's something you seem to not understand. You frequently take things I say out of context, or I fail to communicate it to you.

MDAO- Sharing what I find interesting. I can't say I actively always look for things. It may have started with having feelings that there was something more to what I was experiencing. More layers. More weights. I can't say I've always looked for it consciously, but perhaps I'm always looking to belong somewhere, or for things to belong. For order, and for things to make sense.

I have to say that I've suffered, and that that suffering has likely fueled a need to find a reason for it, or some reward. Often times, though not always only in those times, I find order when I've needed/wanted it. I find it when I've made a certain mess of things, or after years of suffering illness. One could psychoanalyze and try to establish the mess as causative to the order, or attempt to find it... But I don't think it ends there, quite. I struggle with saying it though.
 
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here - took me about 25 seconds to find it: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/658752-Synchronicity?p=11512774&viewfull=1#post11512774

another: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/658752-Synchronicity?p=11525212&viewfull=1#post11525212
another: http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/658752-Synchronicity?p=11530361&viewfull=1#post11530361 (last comment particularly)

my point is that so many of your examples only work when you contrive to ignore the data that makes them fail. its' there in black and white fro any reasonable observer/ when you have to work as hard as you do to make your coincidences sop coincidental, it just looks silly.

alasdair
 
I have to admit I checked this while I was driving. Then a car with a big green '23' decal on the lower right corner of the rear window drove past me, as I struggled to think of something I'd say back to you.
 
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What 23 said:
Beginning to read The Synchronicity Key. Written by David Wilcock.

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The gullibility of people never ceases to amaze me. This is the same guy who claims to the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce - BUY THE BOOK!

Thanks to evolution our brains are hard-wired to look for patterns. This is very useful when trying to survive on the savannah and you need to be able to spot a big cat among the grass but in the modern world it also causes some people ascribe all kinds of misplaced "mystical" significance to patterns they spot in every day life. I'm pretty sure this is the response that gets scrambled in people suffering from schizophrenia.

Meanwhile, money-grubbers like the above author are laughing all the way to the bank cashing in on the gullibility and cognitive biases of people like LulWut23. The fact that tripe like this is on the NYT bestseller lists suggests that the old adage about fools and money stans as true today as it ever did :\
 
I actually didn't know much about the author. I've not made it very far into it and it requires a bit of salt to get through. I'm a skeptic and my mind screams bullshit on much of this at times but I try to stay open. I haven't watched the video.

I bought the book months ago. I only really began reading it last week. I was reading it while waiting as my car was worked on. I had taken a break and was staring out the window, standing at a row of desks in the dealership when an older woman and a small child came from across the way and sat at one next to me. She had hot chocolate for the child, and she sat down. I pushed a seat over for the child, and was thanked by a younger female who had joined them- perhaps the child's mother.

The people were black. I was wrestling as I do lately with feeling separation, asking myself if there is need to be in ways separate from blacks. But as normal I'm still nice/want to be helpful, and it is natural behavior that I extend to anyone, in life. With this on mind, how I'm in conflict, but still am this way, I open this book and my eyes immediately focus on the word love, as the first word I see.
 
What 23 said:
The people were black. I was wrestling as I do lately with feeling separation, asking myself if there is need to be in ways separate from blacks. But as normal I'm still nice/want to be helpful, and it is natural behavior that I extend to anyone, in life. With this on mind, how I'm in conflict, but still am this way, I open this book and my eyes immediately focus on the word love, as the first word I see.
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Gee, how big of you - you were polite to people even though they were BLACK! 8)
 
MyDoorsAreOpen said:
I couldn't agree less. I personally have never seen the merits of a worldview that takes us sentient beholders and what we bring to the table in the very act of beholding entirely out of the equation. Don't get me wrong, "being objective" is a useful thought experiment which sheds light in some situations and is useful in accomplishing some goals. In other words it's a tool; like all tools it's limited as to what it can do. And in my own experience, if connection, meaning, and finding your mission in life are your aim, it's the wrong tool for the job. YMMV.
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I agree with most of what you've said. Everyone should preface every claim regarding objectivity by noting its essential impossibility for humans; nearly everything is subjective for us. So it is important to say that objectivity appears to have its uses, but can only be imagined or predicted and can't really define truth or give meaning.

I wouldn't try and diminish the capabilities of humanity, because the positive aspects of this are basically all we have with which to save us. But I will say that I think there is some harm by putting humanity and our capacities as separate from the rest of the universe; it disregards the fundamental fact that we are simply another part of it, though distinct (on earth at least or so it appears) with our sense of self-awareness. I think that a lot of damage is done to the natural, non-humanised world because of our sense of difference. It seems to negatively inform our behaviours and the sense of dignity we ascribe to other forms of life on earth and (to me) generates much more illogic then the more objective worldview.

MDAO said:
Willow and alasdairm, what exactly are you trying to do by reframing another person's documentation of synchronicities in a way that negates the concept?
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Well, not going to speak for Alasdairm here. But for me, I'm just responding to a post about a phenomenon I don't believe is actually real. I'm not all that interested in anyones personal experiences of synchronicity, but more in the broader phenomena. But I think that any examination of synchronicity, done in a detached manner and attempting to use rationality and some sort of "objective" judgement, will end up inadvertently negating it. It just doesn't hold up to examination. It confuses me that no-one who believes in synchronicity tries to explain what they think is happening, and why. That's what I was trying to do, to have a look at it and explain what might be occurring.

With what23's sighting of the number; he is saying that the driver of this vehicle was compelled to get in it and take it to a specific area where every variable is being controlled to make sure he arrived in there at the exact moment that what23 was thinking of replying to Alasdairs post (who himself was compelled to make it a particular time), simply to assure him of the existence of the same phenomenon being doubted in this thread. Take that to its conclusion, and pretty soon everything that has ever happened has to be related to this incident. This, however, is counter to pretty much everything else that seems to be true about existence.

I hope I'm not coming across as mean or cruel, but I find this topic interesting- I have experienced synchronicity and it was mind-blowing to me, at the time.

Peace <3
 
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