But don't you really only take it at high doses when ketamine isn't available? :D The only use I found for it was IV'ed at astronomically high doses, so I'd get into a state resembling a k hole. I still never liked it much, I'd give it a 4 out of 10 personally.
I think you described it pretty well.
I can't say I'm not jealous. At first I thought people who were talking about the "m hole" were just kids who have never taken ketamine and have no idea what a hole is. After reading more here on bluelight I was taught that is not the case. Only scenario that allowed me to hole on it was to IV a very large dose, but even then the holes were very wishy washy, dark, not psychedelic, and most importantly, never induced any major proprioceptive hallucinations which is the most fun part of k holes imho. I'm gonna give you a rough idea of what my non IV trials were like: All the unpleasant sides of a class united in a single substance without any of the desirable effects. I've really been exceptionally unfortunate with this one. I did keep trying, but it just hasn't ever done what others describe it does to them, not a single time.I don't feel that way about MXE at all, first of all it's probably partly because I have zero dissociative tolerance, I haven't used them much. I hit the most spectacular hole of my life (including ketamine) when I took 40mg orally of MXE followed by 20mg rectally. It's one of the most intense and out there psychedelic experiences I've ever had, I went stright into the oneness more completely and vividly than ever before. So far I actually prefer it to ketamine because it's warmer and MUCH more vivid (for me - I have always mostly forgotten my high-dose ketamine experiences).
That does sound like an awesome experience.
Interesting. Ketamine just doesn't work for me anymore when I snort it and even when it still did, injected ketamine felt like an entirely different beast, almost like another drug. I haven't done it in around half a year, but I know when I snort it it would just cause the typical dissociative side effects. I'd still black out at a certain dosage and that dosage wouldn't be much higher than 10 years ago, but I wouldn't experience the beautiful psychedelia I get off injected ketamine.
This can NOT be stressed enough!! That's exactly how it went down for me, eventhough I never had a serious needle habit with any opiate or stimulant. But dissociatives fill the gap between the quite forgiving psychedelics and the life wrecking (!) opiates and to some degree stimulants and benzos, yet dissociatives are treated more like another type of psychedelic even on here. Many psychedelics users have this internal guideline that will make them decline all opiates, but ketamine and co extend that invisible line somehow in many individuals.
Hamilton that cocksucking hipster piece of shit posted them on his site (long story). http://www.vice.com/hamiltons-pharmacopeia/getting-high-on-hiv-medication-part-2Yuk how could anyone keep this stuff in his mouth for longer than the blink of an eye? I chug the full dose (at first 150, last trial I took 225) down in 50-100ml milk, then chug down some more milk immediately. Best way to hide the taste and believe it or not, onset is 30min with that method while it was 60-90min with capsules.
EDIT: I'm glad someone remembers that.
As for diphenidine, it has been the ultimate dissociative for me, but it's sort of brutal. Sounds like you'd like it. Definitely some habit forming potential there, too. I've only done it six times now (in close to half a year), but I catch myself thinking about it a lot. Just like when I started using ketamine.
I'll tell you the detailled version in a pm. He just demonstrated to me on various levels that he is an asshole as a person when that interview about my dmt lab accident was published in Vice. Generally speaking the reporters I've met in my life were lying sacks of shit who'd betray their own mother for a story and he seems to be no exception.And why the Hamilton hate? I understand the antipathy of the young males who are jealous that he has made a very viable career out of what we do here, but you seem beyond that crOOk! Perhaps I am biased, as he is a friend, but he has done quite well for himself...immense knowledge, great wit, great films and articles, and pursuing such ambiguities as psychedelics scientifically is no mean feat! I laud the young man for all he has done, and eagerly await what is next. He is good at what he does, has an incredible grasp of pharmacodynamics and drug trends, and conveys such tastefully....he's got my full support. And that of my armies behind me :D
Now back to the 'phenidines.....yes, I am indeed intrigued. But for once in my life I am letting the masses of the world be the lab rats first.....I can only speak for myself, but my NMDA bashing of years past certainly went further than "leave no trace"....and many a friend who has dove too deep into such worlds has been never quite the same again.....and the scores of MK-801 addled lab rats stuck perpetually holing in their Olneys lesions has me waiting for more "data" (ha) to drip in before I wade into the diphenidine kiddie pool...
I will also add that I had been talking to Knock the night he passed, and as diphenidine was the last thing he took before the world cruelly took him from us has got me a little spooked