UK - 'Little difference between skunk cannabis and heroin', says judge

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1:00PM GMT 07 Mar 2014

Judge Richard Hone QC made the comments as he sentenced a Vietnamese drug gang who ran the biggest cannabis farm in Europe.

An Old Bailey judge has sparked controversy after claiming there was little difference between powerful 'skunk' weed and hard drugs like heroin and crack cocaine. Judge Richard Hone QC made the comments as he sentenced a Vietnamese drug gang who ran the biggest cannabis farm in Europe. He said: "In my judgement, the distinction between cultivated skunk and class A drugs is not a large one".

Railing against the 'high THC content' of skunk, the judge said offences involving powerful strains of cannabis "can, and in my view should be, punished more severely".

The controversy emerged at the Court of Appeal, as members of the feared 'Dang Dynasty', a gang who made an estimated £120m from the enterprise, challenged the safety of their convictions and sentences. The Vietnamese criminals used shell companies as fronts for the farms and sold on the equipment and plants to DIY skunk growers, all the while ploughing their profits into ventures in their native country. The appeals failed, save for a referral to the Supreme Court to determine a question of law. Judge Hone escaped censure for his comments, although Lord Justice Pitchford, sitting with Mr Justice Burton and Mrs Justice Patterson, noted his remarks might "give the impression" of unfairness. But they added there "can hardly be any dispute" that skunk was "potentially highly dangerous to those who are vulnerable to narcotic effect. It has been urged upon us forcefully that the judge was signalling an intention to adopt a starting point which reflected his opinion that there was little to choose between the harm done by skunk and the harm done by a class A drug", their judgment said.

"If the judge took account of that opinion in assessing the appropriate starting point, he departed from the guideline without justifying that course as being in the interests of justice. We accept the submission that the judge was not permitted to sentence according to a personal opinion that the starting points and ranges for category 1 cannabis offences were in general too low for 'skunk' cannabis offences.

"The guideline embraces all forms of cannabis. However, it is conceded on behalf of the appellants that the judge was entitled to take account of the somewhat increased potency of the cannabis in whose production the appellants were concerned when selecting his starting point within the advised range. We do not accept that Judge Hone QC erred in his approach. We agree that the juxtaposition of the judge's observations as to the potency of the cannabis product and the selection of the starting point gives the impression that he was intending to sentence outside the guideline, but in our judgment, the judge was applying the guideline to the unusual facts of the case before him."

Speaking after the trial, Jenny Hopkins, CPS London Deputy Chief Crown Prosecutor, said: "This case was described in court as seminal and the largest of its type in Europe.

"This conspiracy by a family-centred criminal organisation concerned the production of 'skunk' cannabis on a truly industrial and unprecedented scale".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...een-skunk-cannabis-and-heroin-says-judge.html
 
Judge Richard Hone you have received todays, this weeks ass clown award.. enjoy it you have more than earned it.. I would explain it to you, but this would likely take a life time if it were ever successful at all and I have better things to do.. so im off to live in the real world.

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Man, there is so much hype about "skunk" in the U.K. I'm sure the cannabis can't be any stronger than the stuff in North America, but nobody is freaking out about dangerous super-weed here.

An Old Bailey judge has sparked controversy after claiming there was little difference between powerful 'skunk' weed and hard drugs like heroin and crack cocaine.

"Little difference" is so subjective that it's meaningless. Heroin is a depressant, crack cocaine is a stimulant, cannabis is some combination of depressant and psychedelic. They all affect different receptors in very different ways and one could easily say that there is more than a "little difference" between them. On the other hand, I tend to think that the differences between psychoactive drugs generally are overestimated.
 
I fucking hate this country and this planet and everything to do with humanity.
This shit makes me sick.

SJB UK weed is fucking weak, this Skunk bullshit is just propaganda started by the media to allow dumb fucks like this judge to spew out claims like this. It doesn't compare to US weed.


"skunk was potentially highly dangerous to those who are vulnerable to narcotic effect."

There is so wrong with all of this I don't know where to begin. They are literally picking at nothing here, you could say the same for just about anything...
coffee
sugar
cigarettes
alcohol
painkillers


They're throwing everything they can come up with at weed, demonizing it to hell, while half of the country is drinking and ruining their livers with paracetam- I mean, the placebo chemical. Kids are drinking smoking, young people dying from research chems, people getting prescribed SSRIs and fuck knows what.
And why? What is the point of this? It makes no sense to me, someone please explain, because I'm losing my fucking mind and it might just be me functioning on another level or perhaps everything really IS this fucked.
 
^ That statement doesn't really say much of anything (though I am not trying to be offensive here).
But if heroin users and weed users both spend money on their DOC, that is not really much of a similarity, since people also spend money on cotton candy and gum and diapers.
And, I feel quite confident, that is also not what the judge was trying to get at.
 
^probably not, he was referring to some measure of the drug content itself, but possibly also the scale of the business they were planning.

I was making a simple comparison of the roughly $4000 a person spends each year, a figure which none of your examples quite add up to.

Do I really need to mention these are also illegal psychotropics and your comparisons are not?
 
Wow the uk really has been doing some cannabashing of late. The only similarities that could be said, at least in the us is that they are both schedule 1.
 
^probably not, he was referring to some measure of the drug content itself, but possibly also the scale of the business they were planning.

I was making a simple comparison of the roughly $4000 a person spends each year, a figure which none of your examples quite add up

I spend more than $4000 a year on food omg similarity to weed and heroin. When weeds my doc I'd spend $400 a month on it, when heroins my doc I'd spend >$1000 a month on it and steal to support it. Pmose your comment sucks.
 
I spend more than $4000 a year on food omg similarity to weed and heroin. When weeds my doc I'd spend $400 a month on it, when heroins my doc I'd spend >$1000 a month on it and steal to support it. Pmose your comment sucks.
Do not try saying there is no comparison.
"These results suggest that cannabinoid CB(1) receptors play an important role in the mechanisms underlying relapse to heroin-seeking..." CB(1) antagonist SR 141716A attenuates reinstatement of heroin self-administration in heroin-abstinent rats.

Money is just part of the comparison. Your basic consumer spend $4000 a year on food. I am just going by basic averages, not on personal usage.

People need food to live, on average, not drugs. Maybe buying drugs for yourself is selfish and damages countries affected by illegal trafficking, while certain populations are deprived of basic needs.
 
You could make the same bullshit argument about buying cell phones because the rare earth metals used inside exploit miners in Africa, it is still an idiotic comment.

On a side note, why do those fucktards get such a hard-on calling it a childish propaganda slur like "skunk"? It is just a dumb term intended to make it seem gross to people who are still smoking it anyway. They act like it is a technical term. Isn't their contaminated A-rab terrorist imported soap bar hash stronger anyway?
 
Do not try saying there is no comparison.
"These results suggest that cannabinoid CB(1) receptors play an important role in the mechanisms underlying relapse to heroin-seeking..." CB(1) antagonist SR 141716A attenuates reinstatement of heroin self-administration in heroin-abstinent rats.
Antagonising a receptor that agonism "feels good", is obviously going to cause beings to try to feel better. If they had the option of marijuana too I'm sure maryjuana would be preferred to the heroin because to would fix the negative feels from the antagonism directly. I'm not really sure where your going by posting that link.

Maybe buying drugs for yourself is selfish and damages countries affected by illegal trafficking, while certain populations are deprived of basic needs.

I don't think it's selfish or damaging I send money to highly impoverished country's that don't have other means of getting money allowing them to afford basic needs
 
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