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I'm new to the world of MDMA and would just like to clarify what is considered abuse exactly, and if am at that level. I rolled for the first time back in May of this year, and have done it four times since then. I did it twice in July, and twice in September (this month), so a total of five times in four months. Each time I rolled I redosed with one additional pill except for one time. Is this still considered light usage, or am I unknowingly abusing the drug? Also, how long of a break should I take after my most recent roll over this last weekend? I'm thinking until December.
 
what you have described, i personally would not classify as 'abuse'.

you sound cautious, keep that causation and respect, and play safe.
 
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Taking MDMA once a month isn't that bad, lots of people do it. I wouldn't call it "light" use though, more like "moderate." Sometimes people who dose monthly run into problems (anxiety, depression, etc) after doing it for a year or two, but if you put two or three months between rolls (and always test) then the chances of that happening are very low.

What "abuse" is varies from person to person, but most people who have problems with (tested) MDMA get there by dosing more often than once per month.
 
Keep it up and you'll run into problems after a few more months, especially if you are doing other drugs as well.

Once a month should be considered abuse when talking about a toxic chemical like MDMA.
 
Once a month abuse?
Man please don't believe that sh*t. Abuse is something that you do it on regular basis, like in every week or everyday. 1 month for recovery is enough.
My friends do it on a regular basis for every weekend friday and saturday night like 1.5 or 2 years. They are all fine.
Don't scare people about MDMA, moderate is the key. It's a drug anyway, respect it.
 
I'd consider more than once a week 'dangerous abuse', once a week 'abuse', once every two weeks 'light abuse', once a month 'moderate' and anything less than that as light usage. The key is to avoid taking it frequently for sustained periods. That is, taking it once or twice a week should be the minority and not the majority of your usage. Dosage is really important as well, higher doses can really make you feel like shit while often not adding much to the high. Keep your doses below 250mg for the whole evening. If you find you're needing higher doses to achieve the same high, it's time to take a break. Respect it.
 
Complete morons in this thread.... this is not harm reduction.
Yea guys lets tell people to roll every month right, it's better than rolling every 3 months.

And laugh , you are a troll that knows nothing. Are you trying to tell me MDMA is non toxic?
 
Rolling once a month isn't abuse if you aren't addicted...
If you set up limits and can't wait for that one month period to hit so you can roll then yea that could be abuse, but if it's just an average then definitely not abuse.
I can easily do mdma once a month and not notice side effects, not everybody is so lucky and shouldn't aim for usage that high obviously, but I'm saying that not everybody will fall into depression from monthly usage
 
F1n1shed said:
Complete morons in this thread.... this is not harm reduction.
Yea guys lets tell people to roll every month right, it's better than rolling every 3 months.
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True a 3 month break is better than a 1 month break, however i wouldnt call a one month break abuse at all. One month is suffecient for me to get back to normal and not have bad comedowns. Its when i limit my breaks to 2 or 3 weeks thats when the comedowns get worse and worse for me.
 
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F1n1shed said:
Complete morons in this thread.... this is not harm reduction.
Yea guys lets tell people to roll every month right, it's better than rolling every 3 months.

And laugh , you are a troll that knows nothing. Are you trying to tell me MDMA is non toxic?
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As i said for most drugs once a month is fine, once a week is even fine. But regarding MDMA , and especially redosing i would consider using it every month for pro longed periods borderline abuse. It just isn't enough time for your brain to fully recover, the majority of your serotonin may be back. But there is still a lot of down regulation of receptors and other things that are not back yet.
 
^I agree, toxic or not, you still aren't going to be happy after a while if you keep rolling every month.
 
F1n1shed said:
Complete morons in this thread.... this is not harm reduction.
Yea guys lets tell people to roll every month right, it's better than rolling every 3 months.

And laugh , you are a troll that knows nothing. Are you trying to tell me MDMA is non toxic?
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Wow, calm down big boi, calling "moron" someone isn't polite :)
Maybe I knew nothing in the beginning of this year but now I know a lot about some drugs.
I got so many friends and I can tell that they're like lab rats. Give them drugs and they don't go out from their house.
I NEVER said that 3 months is long or smth, I said that 1day in 30days is not an ABUSE.

I can see them rolling every week, they're abusing but once a month of MDMA usage is not, my friend. They're using like 1,5 or 2 years without giving any break (maybe 1-2 weeks)
Don't scare the people. Because set and setting is everything for MDMA.
I meet with this site after using MDMA, and when I read the comments, I couldn't even roll for 2 months. It was a disaster.
It's psychological and I know what I've passed.

And of course no, I did not tell MDMA is non toxic.
You didn't understand a word from my post, thats sad.
I said min 30 days is enough, the more is better no doubt. Also, it's highly dependent to human body.

I personally didn't use it like a month and don't plan to use it like a month more because I abused in summer a lot and want to balance my usage.
My friends are still using them no sign of depression etc.

So maybe you might be the unlucky one.
 
Desohigh said:
Wow, calm down big boi, calling "moron" someone isn't polite :)
Maybe I knew nothing in the beginning of this year but now I know a lot about some drugs.
I got so many friends and I can tell that they're like lab rats. Give them drugs and they don't go out from their house.
I NEVER said that 3 months is long or smth, I said that 1day in 30days is not an ABUSE.
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Says who? Rolling once a month for a long period of time (or not even) can cause some people a lot of problems, and there's no telling whether or not you are one of these people until you one day feel like you are no longer yourself. The evidence can be seen all over the ED forum and studies have indicated that serotonin often don't return to baseline levels after 1 month. Sasha Shulgin, the father of MDMA, labelled it as a "once a season" drug - he may very well consider monthly dosing to be entering abuse territory.


Desohigh said:
I said min 30 days is enough, the more is better no doubt. Also, it's highly dependent to human body.

I personally didn't use it like a month and don't plan to use it like a month more because I abused in summer a lot and want to balance my usage.
My friends are still using them no sign of depression etc.

So maybe you might be the unlucky one.
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Yes it's dependent, but you don't know if you are one of the unlucky ones until bad things start to happen. If more is better, than min 30 days is NOT enough - don't you see the problem with your logic? You have a long life ahead of you, so why cut the so called safe break estimate of 3 months down to 1? Is it worth RISKING even the slightest possibility of struggling with some of the difficulties faced be people on this board.

Just cause some of your friends have used mdma for 1-2 years and haven't claimed to feel any side effects, doesn't mean changes aren't occurring or won't begin to occur soon, 5 years down the line, or a couple of decades later. It is difficult to detect drug-induced changes/ damage while they are happening to you because you're body and brain are never in homeostasis (as you are constantly replenish depleted stores) and don't have a baseline from which you can judge and compare subtle changes to your psyche, cognition etc. It is also impossible to know how your life would be like at this exact moment in time, had you never touched MDMA. The MDMA-oriented reality you are currently living out is your only reality. Subtle changes are always going to go unnoticed in this situation, especially if you've left your rose-tinted raver spectacles on for too long.
 
often it's too late to know you are abusing - you'll only know when you abused.
 
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cope said:
often it's too late to know you are abusing - you'll only know when you abused.
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This is MDMA we are talking about, can everyone just take a step back and think about that for a second. Hes not robbing old pensioners so he can run to his "Molly" Dealers house and slam a point straight into his vein, jesus christ.

Abuse is a word that should not be abused, does he have an MDMA substance abuse problem? No..?

Is he maybe taking MDMA more often than most people would say is "acceptable" on these forums? Probally.

Is he taking too much MDMA that he is abusing it?? No

Everyone has there different opinions, and it shows it varys from person to person. Hence why its a public forum. :\
 
dpd_mnk92 said:
If more is better, than min 30 days is NOT enough - don't you see the problem with your logic? You have a long life ahead of you, so why cut the so called safe break estimate of 3 months down to 1? Is it worth RISKING even the slightest possibility of struggling with some of the difficulties faced be people on this board.
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I said min 30 days, and stick with "more is better".
For my experience, I stick with 1 day in 30days. That's my point of wiev.
The subject is abuse; and I stick with "monthly usage" is not an abuse.

Also, they used every week in probably for 2 years with many other drugs. It highly depends on the human body.
 
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