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Opioids How bad is opiate withdrawal ?

Opiate WD sucks. Everyone has hit it on the head, but I'd like to add that for me, the crippling insomnia is the worst. Makes me even more dysfunctional and tends to persist long after the acute withdrawal. It's one of the major reasons (along with pain) that I've kept getting back on the horse, eventually, you just need to sleep.
 
The worst part about it is that it's a progressive thing.. It gets worse and worse the longer you use for and the more times you go back and forth from using to detoxing. After many years of heavy use, the withdrawals start to become literally debilitating. I'm talking not being able to even get out of bed and stand up on your own two feet without falling over for the first three days. Looking back at what my kicks were like back when I first started... It's like a common cold compared to the shit I go through now. My last detox was absolutely brutal, and it's a big turn off to going back. I don't want to have to go through it again. I don't think I can go through it again.
 
the ignorance of some people annoy me. opiate withdrawal, a MINOR discomfort? please. if it were such a minor discomfort why are so many people slaves to opiates? people steal and do things they normally wouldn't just to not experience wd. If I don't get my blues it isn't an experience I'd categorize as a minor discomfort :X
 
Who ever wrote that book has obviously never been addicted to opiates or know any addicts.. No more than minor discomfort? Yeah okay.. Try being bed ridden for days, hot/cold sweats, can't sleep or eat, diarrhea, body hurts and basically going mentally insane.. That author is a dumb ass.
 
The worst part about it is that it's a progressive thing.. It gets worse and worse the longer you use for and the more times you go back and forth from using to detoxing. After many years of heavy use, the withdrawals start to become literally debilitating. I'm talking not being able to even get out of bed and stand up on your own two feet without falling over for the first three days. Looking back at what my kicks were like back when I first started... It's like a common cold compared to the shit I go through now. My last detox was absolutely brutal, and it's a big turn off to going back. I don't want to have to go through it again. I don't think I can go through it again.

That's something that I have definitely noticed. The more times you detox and get back on junk it becomes much much worse each time. In the first six months of using heroin I would be mildly sick. After many years and many, many times of detoxing and getting back on, it is no longer a joke and was much worse each time. It is excruciating in every way possible and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. And it is not just because I was using more. Somehow my body has become much more sensitive to the withdrawal process. I would love to see some kind of study done to verify this on record. This is the kind of thing that a long time heroin user would know but a doctor would have no clue about.
 
I think it varies from person to person. Also lentgh of time on them. After a few days its not so bad, after a few months it gets pretty rough. My opinion is you can't tell someone else what THEY are feeling and describing the symtoms is way different than experiencing it first hand.
 
One of the reasons I started using heroin in the first place was that I read in a book that opiate withdrawal was "mild cold or flu-like symptoms lasting 3 to 5 days". I figured that really didn't sound so bad and I arrogantly thought that I would prevent myself from getting addicted anyway by not using every day. Yeah right! I really wish Bluelight had existed back then.

Opioid withdrawal, particularly methadone withdrawal IS definitely the worst kind of torture I can imagine.

I am Leaning towards those statements as mostly true. Cmon Junkies are arguably the most exaggerated creature on this planet.

the whole withdrawls IS an exaggeration.

Its mostly the Mental Withdrawls that exaggerate the physical to make it seem that much worse.
The mental aspects are a part of withdrawal syndrome, you can't separate them. Of course someone mentally addicted is going to have a tougher time than someone merely physically dependent (although the latter is rare), but a large portion of the mental symptoms of withdrawal are due to real changes in the brain and not something you can just will away. Or course they make you feel way worse. If you had symptoms like nausea, diarrhea, chills and sweating, aches and pains, etc yet felt great mentally it wouldn't be anywhere near as bad! But the combination of feeling depressed and anxious and miserable and fatigued plus all the physical symptoms that come with those feelings - the brain and body are inextricably entwined! - plus all the symptoms we consider purely "physical" can be unbearable. I have seriously contemplated suicide while in withdrawals and the only reason I didn't go through with it is because I didn't even have the energy to kill myself.

Maybe i was just lucky and diddnt feel the full extent of withdrawl
Definitely the case.

I think it varies from person to person. Also lentgh of time on them. After a few days its not so bad, after a few months it gets pretty rough. My opinion is you can't tell someone else what THEY are feeling and describing the symtoms is way different than experiencing it first hand.
^THIS. It varies so much from person to person and is so dependent on how long you took the drug for (and what drug and in what dose) that it is absolutely ridiculous for someone to say that because they didn't find withdrawal that bad that others are lying/exaggerating/being wimps/whatever 8)

but to say its the worst feeling imaginable is EXAGGERATING it a bit dontcha think???
No I do not.

Answers below within the quote:
Ever lost a family member due to suicide??? Yes.
Lost a child?? No.
Ever fell 20 feet off a roof and busted yourself on the concrete???? No, but I have been in serious motor vehicle accidents that the doctors said were equivalent/worse.
ever been hit by a car?? Yes.
Ever have the love of your life, use, abuse, and walk out on you??? Yes.
Being trapped somewhere having no way out? Yes.
ever been Starving to the point of hunger pains?? Yes.

Id say those would be around the worst feelings in the world. I disagree.

Methadone withdrawal has been the most miserable and hardest thing I have ever experienced, and I've experienced a lot of suffering in my lifetime. The sheer endless duration makes it far worse than heroin withdrawal, not to imply heroin withdrawal is not horrific.

These are the symptoms for me:
Nausea, chronic diarrhea, severe "bone" pain all over, choking, tickling cough, extreme chills, sweating/hot flushes, extreme restlessness, restless "leg" syndrome except in the arms too - to the point of fantasizing about cutting off my limbs and hitting them hard just to feel something else, tremors, abdominal cramps, sore genitals, extreme anxiety, depression, suicidal thoughts, dread, hypersensitive skin (even a light tickle or a shower feels painful), raised heart rate, heart palpitations, irregular heart beat, constant yawning, sneezing, dripping nose, weakness, extreme fatigue, extreme insomnia, general malaise/sickness behaviour, self-loathing, dehydration, vitamin deficiency (believed by my doctors to be caused by the drug itself), hormonal imbalances (again, believed to be caused by the drug itself), lack of joy/enjoyment of anything... I'm sure I'm leaving several things out but you get the picture. And that's not even including the intense cravings that most people get - I have made a lot of progress in resisting cravings (but quitting heroin came with some super intense cravings) .

Lesson: If you are considering using opioids, don't, and if you are new to opioid addiction quit now before it gets worse, because it gets MUCH worse.
 
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I know this is a bit off topic. But after the wds, does it get better? Are you really able to be properly happy? Sleep well? Feel normal?

I miss these things. I'm taking opioids for pain but sometimes I feel like half a person. They are slowly aging my body...and I'm only 28. They do have long-term side effects, major hormone reduction being one that I've experienced. I just don't know anymore :(
 
I once took a Naltrexone tablet a day after poppy pod tea thinking it would just loosen my bowels a bit...

and... I'll just say I am lucky I didnt get PTSD from the 20 hours that ensued before the Naltrexone blockade relented and I was able to dose more pod tea. It was like 10 days of WD compressed into 20 hours and amplified (think when you squish the sides of a ball... it goes UP UP UP... well this was short duration but HORRIBLE intensity.. i couldnt be still for even a minute and i went from cold flash to hot flash cycles of 1-2 minutes and had the most violent uncontrollable vomitting and diarrhea ... i had to force down water because i was seriously getting into the danger zone dehydration wise.

OT - Ive since found Miralax to work wonders to make "that issue" non-painful and even "regular" sometimes :p


Seriously, im surprised despotic govs dont use Naltrexone (the MUCH longer lasting relative of the short acting Naloxone/Narcan) as a torture device -- inject morphine, force naltrex.. i'd rather be waterboarded than repeat that experience
 
Im on day 9 of quitting 150mg a day for 1.5 yrs of methadone cold turkey. The first 5 days were fine then everything went down hill from there. I havent slept at all on days 5-7. How long will this last? Ive taken OTC sleep aids and they dont help at all. Any advice would be appreciated
 
Im on day 9 of quitting 150mg a day for 1.5 yrs of methadone cold turkey. The first 5 days were fine then everything went down hill from there. I havent slept at all on days 5-7. How long will this last? Ive taken OTC sleep aids and they dont help at all. Any advice would be appreciated

You just flat out stopped a 150mg daily methadone habit? You didn't taper at all?
 
Im on day 9 of quitting 150mg a day for 1.5 yrs of methadone cold turkey. The first 5 days were fine then everything went down hill from there. I havent slept at all on days 5-7. How long will this last? Ive taken OTC sleep aids and they dont help at all. Any advice would be appreciated

Oh my god. I am surprised you are managing as well as you are. Everyone is so different, but I haven't slept well since I got to a certain point in reducing my dose. I spent an incredibly long time tapering off of it and it's now been a couple months since I stopped and I still cannot sleep (without taking something). Well, I can sleep a little bit, but it will take me like 6-8 hrs to fall asleep. I was on methadone for 10 years though. And as I said, everyone is different, and I don't want to scare you. Some people do recover a lot faster, and I was on it for much longer than you, but insomnia does seem to be one of the longest-lasting withdrawal symptoms. Let me know if you want a list of herbs and supplements and non-drug methods you can use to help. Or even taking Rx drugs for a little while is better than not sleeping at all. I haven't found OTC drugs (like diphenhydramine or DXM) very helpful either, as they would seem to worsen some of my WD symptoms. You really need to do everything you can to get some sleep soon because not sleeping will make you crazy and will build on itself, making the insomnia worse and longer-lasting. Good luck to you. You are very brave <3
 
I got some Xanax to help me sleep tonight. I've also tried OTC sleep aids with no help. I'd love to hear some other was to help me through this. Thanks for the help swimmingdancer! Methadone was the worst mistake of my life.
 
I got some Xanax to help me sleep tonight. I've also tried OTC sleep aids with no help. I'd love to hear some other was to help me through this. Thanks for the help swimmingdancer! Methadone was the worst mistake of my life.

Ok I'll PM you because I don't want to derail the thread :)
 
Swimmingdancer,
What are the best herbs you've found to work any at all?
thanks
 
I can't speak for others but me personally I can pop opiates for 3 weeks at a time and have little to no withdrawl.
For my pain I was taking Morphine 100mg ER twice a day for about 3 weeks.

Only withdraw symptoms I got were a runny nose, restlessness, and chills.
 
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I recently went cold turkey from a 8 Mg a day fent habit (iV) the pain was very intense but very short , actually quite bearable only 24 h of acute WD (note worst up to date though)


what makes me relapse and most users I guess is the Paws , especially the lack of motivation. For the op do a search on Paws, it stands for post acute withdrawal syndrome , and basically can last a lot longer than the Wd phase some people stay depressed for the rest of their life after abstaining from daily opiod use.

The wd is not all bad though (mostly though) , anyone here agree that you get a mental clarity after getting clean that is unparalled not even by stimulants , more like piracetamesque.
 
I'll PM you too, as I have a lot to say on the subject and don't want to totally derail the thread :)
Sorry I didn't answer all your questions. But yeah, the things I've tryed are valerian, whey protein shakes, b-complex vitamins, regular multivitamin, more seafood in my diet, apple cider vinegar capsules, melatonin, phenibut and kratom.
The kratom worked the best but I don't want to chance having to withdrawal from something else.
The melatonin actually made my mood worse after several days.
The whey protein helped some with energy but not that much with mood, although a little.
Oh, and L-Theanine supplements, which were a little better than valerian, which valerian didn't do much.
 
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