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was anyone here close to dying?

Even if I don't agree with you 100% of the time, I'm typically on board with the general form and content of your ideas. But on this one, I must admit that I'm at a loss. Everything following the word 'because' seems to me to be an ethical/logical non-sequitur that is certainly no better than those employed by religious people who claim that God cured their depression. [cf. other recent thread on trans-substantiation] Whatever happened to 'ends and means?' I mean, come on man, this is the basic stuff of ethical theory.

To wit: Both the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese Army conducted some pretty badass biomedical science by way of vivisection. Are you a supporter of the torture and slaughter of individual human beings for science? Or perhaps only on a mass scale?

That was not quite the way I meant it. I meant more Rome built roads to aid its armys movements. Or the Internet was developed at universities and companies with funding from DARPA. Much technology in the private sector is developed with military funding or with military customers in mind.

I don't support torture and vivisection on any level.
 
That was not quite the way I meant it...Much technology in the private sector is developed with military funding or with military customers in mind.

I don't support torture and vivisection on any level.

Uh-huh, but you conveniently left out 'slaughter.' How many people must be burnt atop the funeral pyre of war before we can haz our vaccines and intarwebz? Don't you perceive the internal ethical conflict (or, if there is no conflict, the barbarity) latent in your tentative utilitarian justification for the ravages of war?
 
Yes, from a heart attack, but was very unaware how bad it was. Was not expected to live during transport to a large cardiac hospital, honestly, I felt O.K.-ish.(The doctors told me those are the ones that usually die, the ones that don't feel so bad.) After two stents,one in the widowmaker and one in the left ascending, I got the song and dance of how lucky I was. But no bright light or chorus of angels.
 
Uh-huh, but you conveniently left out 'slaughter.' How many people must be burnt atop the funeral pyre of war before we can haz our vaccines and intarwebz? Don't you perceive the internal ethical conflict (or, if there is no conflict, the barbarity) latent in your tentative utilitarian justification for the ravages of war?

I am of the " ends justify the means" persuasion. My ability to stream in HD fetish pornography justifies my getting wounded at war, and then some, imo. ;)
 
My ability to stream in HD fetish pornography justifies my getting wounded at war, and then some, imo.

Well, fair enough. But what about the million or so other casualties? I gotta say, that attitude's pretty fucked up, man. Like, totally /b/-worthy, and then some...

/digression, thread derailment
 
Yes I have had a few near death experiences. None of them led me to a tunnel with a bearded man at the other end. It felt more like I was fucking dying from physical trauma.
 
Yeah twice:

1. Took tramadol & effexor together, didn't know that was deadly. Coma for weeks, on life support, heart and breathing stopped numerous times, Glasgow coma score so low they saw little chance of me living. Had *intense* hallucinations, but that is apparantly a hallmark of serotonin syndrome. But some were utterly surreal like living out the final days of a Cambodian soldier from the 1970s in great detail, meeting an entity that was the personification of self-destruction, saying goodbye in spirit to each of my friends one by one with my best friends spirit telling me I had to go but not to be scared. I say 'spirits' but the experience was just like talking to them in person. Ie: Standing on a beach with my friend when he told me this.

About halfway through the experience and all these "visions" (I say visions but they were as real the time to me as the reality I'm experiencing now, including touch, sound, smells, etc) I began to realize that I must have died somehow (maybe the bus I was in crashed??) as I knew I was no longer in India (where this happened). At first I was really annoyed that I had died so young and that I had never found peace (I was pretty self-destructive), but as I was in the process of farewelling each of my friends (one by one, each in a different environment that sort of represented our connection to each other) the idea of being dead didn't seem all that bad (ie: I remember once I came out of the coma being really pissed off they had taken me away from that).

So yeah they flew me on a private jet with life support to a proper hospital where they managed to stabilize me with artificial respiration, certain drugs, etc., and made it so my heart didn't keep quitting. The doctor said to my parents when I was in the coma that I had been without oxygen to the brain for so long that even if I did survive I would be mentally retarded, but I went straight back to university and haven't noticed any cognitive differences compared to beforehand at all.

2. (This happened before the above) Flipping a car at ~100km/h with no seatbelt on. The irony is that if I had had a seatbelt on I would've been crushed to death and killed instantly, but instead I flew straight through the windscreen and then (I kid you not) the car had so much momentum that when it rolled I ended up back inside the car. Only my arm was crushed and nearly torn off, but apart from that just a few cuts and bruises :) Nothing spiritual/mind-blowing happened during this event though, the only strange thing was that when I became conscious again (after being knocked out) inside the car-wreck I checked to feel if my limbs were OK, and at this time I hadn't seen that I had nearly lost my arm BUT I thought it was fine because when I tried moved it, it still had the full sensation that it was attached, so my brain was telling me I was moving it when actually I wasn't. Very bizarre feeling.

Some of the cumulative implications of these experiences I have now:
- You appreaciate life more.
- You don't overly fear death but you don't want to hasten it.
- Realize just how important deep connection to other humans is.
- Can't go back to a 'normal' way of life. You see it as far too valuable to be wasting in some job you don't like. The untrodden path of true self-discovery instead of flat-out materialism becomes the only real option, because you know full well it might all be over tommorrow. Even if you really wanted to you couldn't go back to that prior way of selfish/shallow thinking and goals.
 
I had been injured already by a RPG fragment. Fire support was requested to expedite evac by helo by clearing up the OPFOR.

As for pacifism, if I try to rape your friend, will you not resort to violence to stop me? Will you look down on someone who does?

ahhh I understand,your definition of pacifism is vastly different to what I think is pacifism....

in my book pacifist,witch I think I am,isnt person who dont do violence,its a person that dont like violence like most cats dont like water... still the cats can swim,like pacifist can kill,its only that if everybody was cat there would be less swiming like if there was more lsd users there would be less violence
 
Yes I have had a few near death experiences. None of them led me to a tunnel with a bearded man at the other end. It felt more like I was fucking dying from physical trauma.

tell me more,I never had any serious injury,not even close,how is it to be really fucked up?
 
Yeah twice:

1. Took tramadol & effexor together, didn't know that was deadly. Coma for weeks, on life support, heart and breathing stopped numerous times, Glasgow coma score so low they saw little chance of me living. Had *intense* hallucinations, but that is apparantly a hallmark of serotonin syndrome. But some were utterly surreal like living out the final days of a Cambodian soldier from the 1970s in great detail, meeting an entity that was the personification of self-destruction, saying goodbye in spirit to each of my friends one by one with my best friends spirit telling me I had to go but not to be scared. I say 'spirits' but the experience was just like talking to them in person. Ie: Standing on a beach with my friend when he told me this.

About halfway through the experience and all these "visions" (I say visions but they were as real the time to me as the reality I'm experiencing now, including touch, sound, smells, etc) I began to realize that I must have died somehow (maybe the bus I was in crashed??) as I knew I was no longer in India (where this happened). At first I was really annoyed that I had died so young and that I had never found peace (I was pretty self-destructive), but as I was in the process of farewelling each of my friends (one by one, each in a different environment that sort of represented our connection to each other) the idea of being dead didn't seem all that bad (ie: I remember once I came out of the coma being really pissed off they had taken me away from that).

So yeah they flew me on a private jet with life support to a proper hospital where they managed to stabilize me with artificial respiration, certain drugs, etc., and made it so my heart didn't keep quitting. The doctor said to my parents when I was in the coma that I had been without oxygen to the brain for so long that even if I did survive I would be mentally retarded, but I went straight back to university and haven't noticed any cognitive differences compared to beforehand at all.

2. (This happened before the above) Flipping a car at ~100km/h with no seatbelt on. The irony is that if I had had a seatbelt on I would've been crushed to death and killed instantly, but instead I flew straight through the windscreen and then (I kid you not) the car had so much momentum that when it rolled I ended up back inside the car. Only my arm was crushed and nearly torn off, but apart from that just a few cuts and bruises :) Nothing spiritual/mind-blowing happened during this event though, the only strange thing was that when I became conscious again (after being knocked out) inside the car-wreck I checked to feel if my limbs were OK, and at this time I hadn't seen that I had nearly lost my arm BUT I thought it was fine because when I tried moved it, it still had the full sensation that it was attached, so my brain was telling me I was moving it when actually I wasn't. Very bizarre feeling.

Some of the cumulative implications of these experiences I have now:
- You appreaciate life more.
- You don't overly fear death but you don't want to hasten it.
- Realize just how important deep connection to other humans is.
- Can't go back to a 'normal' way of life. You see it as far too valuable to be wasting in some job you don't like. The untrodden path of true self-discovery instead of flat-out materialism becomes the only real option, because you know full well it might all be over tommorrow. Even if you really wanted to you couldn't go back to that prior way of selfish/shallow thinking and goals.

excelent post,wait,if you was knocked out how did you knew you flew out of car and back? seems kinda like,I am not saying its not possible but really,having car crash at 100kmh,flying out of car and then getting into car back split second later? thats little bit hard to image,glad you survived bro :)ˇ

how was this self destruction entity?
 
You should look for a book about near death experiences; I'm sure one exists.

isnt it full of these believers telling their fantasies? becose I done big research on near death experience and there three kinds of reports


A. Dont remember much or anything,no light,no spiritual shit

B. Christian idiots,angels,god,jesus,classic bullshit... its all bunch of crap,its just lies and fantasy of idiots

C. Real thing,no fairy tales,but very direct,raw,uncolored report


personaly I believe concious,the soul is thing of quantum mechanics,the universe within universe.... I believe after brain shut down the quantum soul thing is going on for some time,I image death something like strong salvia trip
 
Ok. Or look in glossy magazines for "how having my baby almost cost me my life - but I wouldn't change anything " sort of things. =D
 
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