Sod the jubilee!

[parttime crackhead]

From my point of view you misread and misinterpreted something that I wrote...

My opinion that you are stupid was not formed by that post, or my apparent misinterpretation of it. Or even this thread.

If you look back at my original post (which I can't be bothered to do) I said something along the lines of "If you're including me in this" *explanation* "If not, carry on". So I wasn't even assuming you were talking about me, I was just clarifying something. There were other posts back & forward after that one but anyway... fuck it.

 

[i against i]

u relly suggesting that proper debate shouldn't be part of normal life?

FUCK ME ANAL

 

[Myshkin]

why do many european threads predictably descend into gay (no homophob) shit, can't you have fisticuffs/sex at dawn and the boring shit be over with?

Believe me, I've considered closing it.

Sometimes these things have got to play out, like some intra-tribal conflict. There's a lot of shit that isn't interesting or pertinent if you're not parcipating, for sure. It's pretty much inevitable though; it's just part of group dynamics etc. For better or worse. I won't say 'amen' for the risk of irking someone.

Topic, anybody? Nope?

FUCK ME ANAL

Good grief, no.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

But yours is still from gut instinct too. but instead you go off and find the facts to back it up, but your experience in this matter is no greater than anyone else's really is it? Please put me straight if it is. Your skill is in perfecting the art (or trying to) of debate techniques (ie; technicalities) rather than what is truth. technicalities aren't about 'truth', they're about
'get out clauses'. there's a difference.


he specialises in being 'technically correct', and what I'd class as being a 'box ticker'. It has nothing to do with reality or correctness or truth, but everything to do with get out clauses and pomposity

No, you are implying that I reverse engineer facts to fit my opinions when that is not the case at all. Previously I was anti-Monarchist, I believed reasonably heavily in socialism as the way forward etc. That was my gut instinct. Then I started interacting with material from every side of the argument, digging out the facts/figures, and listening to the logic of both sides. Then my opinion changed and evolved. There is no get out clause about it. Take the subject we are talking about at the minute - "The monarchy". If someone says they dislike the monarchy because they cost us money (as I previously believed), and I present the figures which show they make us money, I am both technically correct and completely correct on that aspect. That is the reality which you seek to shy away from because you are stuck in gut instinct mode.

 

[parttime crackhead]

I see what you mean, but my conversational style in the pub is totally different to my debating style on the internet.

I thought as much, and it's fair enough that it's different online if you want it to be, it's just that theirs (& mine) aren't really (I'm assuming). So inevitably a discussion/debate between you & "them" (SHMYT!) is going to get frustrating as it continues.

 

[Mailmonkey]

No, you are implying that I reverse engineer facts to fit my opinions when that is not the case at all. Previously I was anti-Monarchist, I believed reasonably heavily in socialism as the way forward etc. That was my gut instinct. Then I started interacting with material from every side of the argument, digging out the facts/figures, and listening to the logic of both sides. Then my opinion changed and evolved. There is no get out clause about it. Take the subject we are talking about at the minute - "The monarchy". If someone says they dislike the monarchy because they cost us money (as I previously believed), and I present the figures which show they make us money, I am both technically correct and completely correct on that aspect. That is the reality which you seek to shy away from because you are stuck in gut instinct mode.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

why don't you join a debating forum?

I'm not suggesting you leave BL, but if it's rigorous debate you seek there must be special places for people like you.

I am already on those forums, and this is why I can't get out of that mindset. I thought these were aims that anyone with any modicum of intelligence shared, if anything through fear of the fact that they run around saying things that aren't right? There is no getting away from it - this is what a debate actually IS. I mean perhaps i'm missing the point and ruining the fun of it all by trying to settle the matter via bringing in sources?

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

ahhh shit, you got me there.....I have been in a box for 42 years.

I am willing to concede that my experience of the world probably can't compete with yours, but you never bring your personal experiences into the debate. The only time I ever refer to mine is when I think back to living on about half a dozen estates growing up.

 

[Mailmonkey]

I am willing to concede that my experience of the world probably can't compete with yours, but you never bring your personal experiences into the debate.

everything I say has been formed based on my experiences.

EDIT>>>>>and reading, talking to people, other people's experiences etc too

 

[Marmalade]

Marmalade thinks i'm superior .

I didn't say that

Show me Marmalade where I butt into venomous rows rather than debates?.

now, here?

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

everything I say has been formed based on my experiences.

EDIT>>>>>and reading, talking to people, other people's experiences etc too

Ah right, know the Queen well do you? Had a nice little perusal of the royal accounts recently?

You have never actually say "my experience is x - therefore y", or "here is what I read/studied - therefore y".

 

[Marmalade]

I am willing to concede that my experience of the world probably can't compete with yours, but you never bring your personal experiences into the debate. The only time I ever refer to mine is when I think back to living on about half a dozen estates growing up.

since when do you have to declare your experiences before engaging in a debate? ... this gets a serious WTF from me.

Experience surpasses a CV or recollection ... it's about milllions of situations. and your estate recollections are generallly only used as a technique for ticking one of those boxes I mentioned. It's not something that's 'conclusive' which is how you seem to use it tactically

 

[Mailmonkey]

I am already on those forums, and this is why I can't get out of that mindset. I thought these were aims that anyone with any modicum of intelligence shared, if anything through fear of the fact that they run around saying things that aren't right? There is no getting away from it - this is what a debate actually IS. I mean perhaps i'm missing the point and ruining the fun of it all by trying to settle the matter via bringing in sources?

some people just like to chat shit.

You are on debating forums, debate there.

Chat shit here, but don't expect this place to closely follow the rigours of debate . It's not a dedicated debating forum.

 

[Mailmonkey]

You have never actually say "my experience is x - therefore y", or "here is what I read/studied - therefore y".

No, I leave that to you, that's not how I converse.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

since when do you have to declare your experiences before engaging in a debate? ... this gets a serious WTF from me.

Experience surpasses a CV or recollection ... it's about milllions of situations. and your estate recollections are generallly only used as a technique for ticking one of those bpxes I mentioned. It's not really 'conclusive' which is how you seem to use it tactically

No, you miss the point entirely. I wouldn't have an opinion or state an opinion of estates or the people within them if I did not have a broad experience of them. If your opinion is based on your collection of experiences on that given topic, it is worth stating that collection of experiences if you want to seem even vaguely credible. I only really bring my opinions based on experience into debates when they are the opposite of someone elses to diffuse their point, because I realise that me experiencing something is worthless to someone else.

As an avid anti-box ticker and self appointed seeker of truth why on earth do you keep selectively snipping and ignoring other parts of my posts?

 

[Marmalade]

I am already on those forums, and this is why I can't get out of that mindset. I thought these were aims that anyone with any modicum of intelligence shared, if anything through fear of the fact that they run around saying things that aren't right? There is no getting away from it - this is what a debate actually IS. I mean perhaps i'm missing the point and ruining the fun of it all by trying to settle the matter via bringing in sources?

debate is about wanting to get someone else to see your point of view, and ultimately believe it, imo

and that's something I don't think you're very good at. you lack the skills to listen, and ultimately, the skills to identify (or empathise) fully with other people, mainly, as I already said, due to your intrinsic ambition to 'prove' your point, rather than get to the actual truth. those two things are sometimes fundamentally juxtaposed. very often in your case imo

 

[YellowPolkaDotHalo]

sorry how?

MM and MSB started to carry on a row that started yesterday. Sam and PTCH jumped into the ruck. I didnt like it and I said so.. The guy was getting overloaded and it wasnt fair in my opinion.

Youre giving this one example as a standard YPDH response then? Thats the evidence for your accusation. Oh ok..

 

[Marmalade]

As an avid anti-box ticker and self appointed seeker of truth why on earth do you keep selectively snipping and ignoring other parts of my posts?

because they're parts that are irrelavant or not pertinent to the ideology that I'm talking about or want to convey

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

some people just like to chat shit.

You are on debating forums, debate there.

Chat shit here, but don't expect this place to closely follow the rigours of debate . It's not a dedicated debating forum.

Well what really is the point in talking about it then? Like I already said, which you have clearly now admitted, it's about circle jerking and agreeing with each other. All you really want to do is say "fuck the monarchy" then collect your handjobs from your pals. If you aren't going to listen to people with different opinions and yours isn't subject to change then you might as well not other stating your own.

 

[Marmalade]

sorry how?

MM and MSB started to carry on a row that started yesterday. Sam and PTCH jumped into the ruck. I didnt like it and I said so.. The guy was getting overloaded and it wasnt fair in my opinion.

Youre giving this one example as a standard YPDH response then? Thats the evidence for your accusation. Oh ok..

my chinup quoting?

and the 'evidence' I just gave was pretty pertinent, since it's a working 'in action' example and pretty hypocritical of your stance right now