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Random MSN Gibberings LXXXIX: Off my rocker babbling about nothing

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I'v never met anyone called Tarquin or Farquar.

Did meet a Hector though.

:)

Told you before man, Bedford Modern don't count. 'Bedford Modern'. Spot the oxymoron. Bedford. Spot the moron. I digress.

Private schools need to be firebombed. That was the point wasn't it?
 
Bedford Modern was an ace school...It's because it was where it was. Bedfordshire is a multicultural hotspot, and BMS hit the balance just right. Most open minded, accepting people I ever met were my mates there...

It was really painful to move to Oxfordshire when I was 14. Really broke my heart to leave Bedford. I've gone back a couple o times and I've been saddened to see the recession hasn't been kind to dear old Bedford :(
 
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But the top schools have entrance exams, or you have to excel at sports, to get in. They make sure you start off at a good enough caliber for them to push you to get a full set of A*s. Most of the top schools get over 90% A*s at GCSE. http://www.best-schools.co.uk/league-tables/gcse-grades.aspx Did you go to private school then? If they don't like you, or you don't try, do they just say fuck you then?

Yes, there was an entrance exam to my school, still is... (unless you are good at rugger yahhh)

I was a very bright 11 year old, full of enthusiasm for education.

But my face didn't fit, my parents didn't move in the right social circles, and I didn't like the learning by rote.

Over a couple of years the school beat out of me any enthusiasm I once had.

Got 6 O levels, and 1 A level. Hows that?

One of my closest friends left there with no O levels at all, in fact, most of my social circle at the time left with less than 5 O levels, as i said, they'd find any excuse to exclude you if they didn't think you were going to be a high achieving ambassador for the school off to a good solid traditional Uni.

Yes, they basically say fuck you then if you're not Identikit student.

This is only my experience of one school.

And yes 90% of A*'s at GCSE, great, but have a word with the 10% who don't get that, how did they feel they were treated as students, as people? And, as others have said, school should be about a lot more than grades.

And I studied Latin (got a U at O level , unclassified for the younger peeps here). Why? they could see I was shit at Latin. No vocational options, no chance of doing City and guild Qualifications, ONC/HNC's etc as they were called, no, you studied academia, and only academia, and if you weren't good at academia you sat out the class and played pool, or just fucked off to drink and smoke.
 
Yes, there was an entrance exam to my school, still is... (unless you are good at rugger yahhh)

I was a very bright 11 year old, full of enthusiasm for education.

But my face didn't fit, my parents didn't move in the right social circles, and I didn't like the learning by rote.

Over a couple of years the school beat out of me any enthusiasm I once had.

Got 6 O levels, and 1 A level. Hows that?

One of my closest friends left there with no O levels at all, in fact, most of my social circle at the time left with less than 5 O levels, as i said, they'd find any excuse to exclude you if they didn't think you were going to be a high achieving ambassador for the school off to a good solid traditional Uni.

Yes, they basically say fuck you then if you're not Identikit student.

This is only my experience of one school.

And yes 90% of A*'s at GCSE, great, but have a word with the 10% who don't get that, how did they feel they were treated as students, as people? And, as others have said, school should be about a lot more than grades.

And I studied Latin (got a U at O level , unclassified for the younger peeps here). Why? they could see I was shit at Latin. No vocational options, no chance of doing City and guild Qualifications, ONC/HNC's etc as they were called, no, you studied academia, and only academia, and if you weren't good at academia you sat out the class and played pool, or just fucked off to drink and smoke.

This happens just as much at state school though. The vocational options were basically non-existent. If you were really fucked up, or punched a teacher, you might get to go plaster a wall for a day a month. My school got around 20% A*-C... so although you have a problem with what happens to the 10% at private school who get left behind, I can't help but worry about the 80% at state school. It is strange when the state schooler is trying to convince a private schooler about the merits of their system.
 
Bedford Modern was an ace school...It's because it was where it was. Bedfordshire is a multicultural hotspot, and BMS hit the balance just right.

Look, I'll just about believe some of the Queen's Park Indians have made enough from corner shops to be let into Bedford's second-rate excuse for a private school but I'm betting against a large Carribean intake. And I'm betting Italians are waaaaay under-represented too. You know when Italy won the World Cup in 1982 I never paid for a meal in a restaurant for a week? That's almost true.

Two words JS. Alistair Cook. You know what I mean. Maybe.

Carry on burning.
 
not so strange when the state schooler happens to be you :D

Haha, true. State school really does suck though. I have a lot of people on facebook from school from the crowd who were failed, and they barely learnt to read and write. Honestly...

Is anyone watching Dirk Gently, it's actually quite good.
 
Hehe I can believe that you got every restaurant meal free in Bedford when Italy won the World Cup ;)
Alastair Cook went to Bedford School. Bedford School is very posh and snooty. Bedford Modern isn't though. BMS kids don't like BS (heh) kids for reasons above and beyond healthy competition.
 
Haha, true. State school really does suck though. I have a lot of people on facebook from school from the crowd who were failed, and they barely learnt to read and write. Honestly...

Is anyone watching Dirk Gently, it's actually quite good.

I know plenty of people from my school who are jobless.

I know plenty of people from state school who are far more successful than me, fuck I know people who can't read and write down here in rural Devon who are far more successful than me.

Proves nothing..
 
I know plenty of people from my school who are jobless.

I know plenty of people from state school who are far more successful than me, fuck I know people who can't read and write down here in rural Devon who are far more successful than me.

Proves nothing..

Ok, that proves nothing. But the truth of the matter is that innumeracy and illiteracy are fairly large problems in state schools, compared to private schools. I don't doubt you know jobless people, I am under no illusion that it is a passport to guaranteed success. But if it didn't dramatically improve the majority of attendees life chances so many people wouldn't be up in arms over their existence.
 
I'm coming in late to this debate admittedly (and have only skimmed through the posts)... But surely the point is that the system is morally wrong and self perpetuating...?

I was lucky, grew up dirt poor on a council estate despite both parents having had relatively privileged upbringings (my dad went to private school) but passed my 11 plus and went to the local grammar school which happened to be one of the best schools in the country. I absolutely hated it there; full of braying tossers talking about their latest skiing holidays. Luckily I was a nasty fucker when I was young despite my milky boy kid appearance and hung out with all the druggies (despite being a clean living boy for the most part). Got good grades and went to uni. Everyone else I grew up with went to the local hellhole and either got lucky and learned a trade or got fucked.

Now I've got a kid the question is; do I go along with the fucked up system and either try and live next to a good state school or pay for public school (and let's face it, you are utilising the 'favour the rich' system if you do either) or do I sell my child's future down the river? Arghh!
 
Now I've got a kid the question is; do I go along with the fucked up system and either try and live next to a good state school or pay for public school (and let's face it, you are utilising the 'favour the rich' system if you do either) or do I sell my child's future down the river? Arghh!

You're assuming that going to a state school in a less well off area is pretty much guaranteeing your chold will have a shit future.

I'd bet that the kids who come out of those state schools who do well are the kids whose parents are loving, encouraging, and full of enthusiasm for education and continue this in their child's home life.

And that's the crux of it.
 
I'm coming in late to this debate admittedly (and have only skimmed through the posts)... But surely the point is that the system is morally wrong and self perpetuating...?

I was lucky, grew up dirt poor on a council estate despite both parents having had relatively privileged upbringings (my dad went to private school) but passed my 11 plus and went to the local grammar school which happened to be one of the best schools in the country. I absolutely hated it there; full of braying tossers talking about their latest skiing holidays. Luckily I was a nasty fucker when I was young despite my milky boy kid appearance and hung out with all the druggies (despite being a clean living boy for the most part). Got good grades and went to uni. Everyone else I grew up with went to the local hellhole and either got lucky and learned a trade or got fucked.

Now I've got a kid the question is; do I go along with the fucked up system and either try and live next to a good state school or pay for public school (and let's face it, you are utilising the 'favour the rich' system if you do either) or do I sell my child's future down the river? Arghh!

If you can't beat them... I just want my children to be able to be whatever they want to be. You know, like they told us when we were little. I can just see that should they want to be a doctor that is a whole lot less likely to happen if they are in a shitty state school. I mean, I don't think it is likely to occur to them that they could actually become a doctor at state school.
 
But if you go to a large, failing school, and your child for whatever reason needs that little bit of extra help, then in all probability they are fucked, however hard the parents try - because the school are simply unable to provide that kind of support.

If you can't beat them... I just want my children to be able to be whatever they want to be. You know, like they told us when we were little. I can just see that should they want to be a doctor that is a whole lot less likely to happen if they are in a shitty state school. I mean, I don't think it is likely to occur to them that they could actually become a doctor at state school.

For once, MrSB, we seem to be in agreement; although I suspect I am slightly more morally conflicted about it...
 
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