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[Mega] Tryptophan and Dark Chocolate , 'e-diet'

take 4 pills each time and did it every week..

There's your problem right there, you already stated it.

You should wait a minimum of 30 days between 'rolls' ideally 90 days.
Also re-dosing is something you don't want to be doing.


Ive been using mdma for over a year now and i havent really suffered any side effects like ive seen described on here, ive never even had brain zaps.
I put this down to my responsible 1 dose rule and also my long waits between my doses.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/entries/...essen-negative-effects.-Basically-Pro-Rolling!
Read and follow that, and you can't go wrong


Any more questions PM me, but most of the answers are within my blog entires, as well as on the forum, you can use the search function to find out most things, also check out Erowid too, that's full of useful information.
 
the weird thing was that i wasn't alone doing it like that.. but it only hit me apparently.. it was weird.. i mean i did force myself to eat in one of the days and the side effects didnt seem as bad as the other days.. but yeah i think you're right.. i should be more responsible thanks again.. btw what did you mean by not redosing 3 hours after my first one? and thanks again!
 
Not redosing means, dont take any more.

I weigh out 100mg mdma, and thats all i take. I simply accept the fact its going to last about 3 to 4 hours long.
When you re-dose you are just ruining it for your next time in my experience.
 
Ohhh alright i get it haha.. thanks a lot, you've been such a great help and I really REALLY appreciate it! I'll tell you how my experience goes this weekend!
 
3 to 4 hours... usually after 6 or 7 I still havent fully comedown lolol. You can take the risk of redosing if you want, BUT don't do it 2 hours+ after your first hit, it won't work and it does alot more damage.
 
That's the question I was asking, why won't it work 2+ hours? I've always wanted to know the answer to that.. Serotonin is depleted? That sounds too simple haha.. But thanks again haha that's some useful info thank you :)
 
Chocolate contains theobromine, an adenosine antagonist like caffeine. Caffeine increases microglial activation and thus neurotoxicity from DA-ergic amphetamines (i.e. meth, regular amph), and so I speculate it may do the same for MDMA because whether glia are activated is also a good measure of neurotoxicity with MDMA. Theobromine would probably do the same. Idk how much though.
 
That's the question I was asking, why won't it work 2+ hours? I've always wanted to know the answer to that.. Serotonin is depleted? That sounds too simple haha.. But thanks again haha that's some useful info thank you :)

It takes a big long explanation to really understand... so Ill try and cut it down.


MDMA releases serotonin, which triggers the release of dopamine and other endorphins. The main cause of MDMA damage, is dopamine entering the sert receptors. After you roll, your sert is at an all time low, and when you take more MDMA your brain cant release any more sert, so it trys to find other ways to work. Much more dopamine is released with later doses, so more dopa does to sert receptors, which means increased damage

make sense?
 
Yeah that makes sense I think.. I mean i read something about oxidized dopamine being released that that's the bad stuff.. but I thought if you take vitamin C it gets rid of it or something?? So I'm guessing, if I'm EVER gonna redose, I should do it within an hour or two right? and even then it's still not good for my health.. I guess redose when i feel the peak??
 
^ Thats the best, most people will recommend taking half the original dose an hour after the first.

people say a lot of things will prevent you from getting the damage from MDMA, but the fact of the matter is that if its getting you high, damage is occurring lol... I dont think vitamin C really helps all that much, but I find it makes me roll harder lol (placebo!!! AWWWW YEAAAHHH)
 
Thanks. I have another question. Is it a bad idea to eat while you roll? I heard that eating fruits is good but i don't what to eat and everything tastes like crap lol... Do you have any suggestions on what I should eat? Because I tend to get sick if I don't eat.
 
It takes a big long explanation to really understand... so Ill try and cut it down.


MDMA releases serotonin, which triggers the release of dopamine and other endorphins. The main cause of MDMA damage, is dopamine entering the sert receptors. After you roll, your sert is at an all time low, and when you take more MDMA your brain cant release any more sert, so it trys to find other ways to work. Much more dopamine is released with later doses, so more dopa does to sert receptors, which means increased damage

make sense?

This is actually a fairly inaccurate concept -- recent research suggests that oxidative stress, or adverse reactions to free electrons, at the molecular level is more likely the cause of any MDMA induced neurotoxicity. To be a bit more basic, there's at least one metabolite or by-product of consumption of MDMA that causes neurotoxicity. More research needs to be done on that front; no one is quite sure what that metabolite or by-product is (dopamine is a suspect, so your statement isn't totally inaccurate).

The reason MDMA stops working when it does is also not because your brain runs out of serotonin, either. MDMA does deplete some of the brain (and spine)'s 5-HT (serotonin), but on the level of ~10% (don't quote me on this, I can't seem to find the journal article where I read it, I'll look it up later). The real reason is probably 5-HT receptor downregulation -- your brain "pulls" the 5-HT receptors out of the bloodstream in response to high concentrations of SERT. This is just wild speculation, but I bet MDMA would still stop working after 2 (or whatever) hours even if you had an unlimited supply of 5-HT.

The good news here is that there are at least two studies showing that acute neurotoxicity of MDMA can be almost completely prevented by A) Avoiding raising your body temperature and B) Dosing with both a lipophilic antioxidant (eg: ascorbic acid, or vitamin C) and a lipophobic antioxidant (eg: vitamin E). Again, this comes with a caveat -- these studies were done on rats, and we still haven't determined a proper way to scale doses between rats and humans. Don't think antioxidants will allow you to roll week in and week out either! The MDMA "hangover" and subsequent period of tolerance/diminished effect is pretty much unavoidable as we can't really reduce 5-HT receptor downregulation -- the only thing that can fix that is time. Some studies suggest a month should be enough, but anecdotal evidence suggests that there are still some lingering effects after that: the longer you wait, the better!

Wow, I wasn't expecting to type so much, or go so wildly off topic. I apologize.

PS: If anyone wants the journal articles I talk about here, or just interesting reading on MDMA in general, tell me! Research is kinda what I do for a living.
 
You misunderstand, MDMA will still work more than 2 hours after your first dose. Ive taken bombs 8+ hours after my first and still gotten high. Its a different high really though, it gets a lot more speedy and you feel "cracked out"

of course thats not the main reason for MDMA toxicity, but its the reason that redosing is so bad for you
 
Yeah that's what I meant by vitamin c I read that somewhere before lol either way that's good info... But do you guys eat when you roll? If so, what exactly do you eat even with the lost appetite??
 
no you don't eat when you roll,

You eat in the days leading up to and after.
Ive actually tried the Vitamin C thing,
I had a cold , had it for a few days so i kept drinking half a lemon in a honey and water drink, twice a day.
When i rolled that night (150-200mg) mdma, my eyes went in many different directions, i was noticing lots of the side effects, was definitely euphoric, but not a patch on when i take mdma now. I get the same level of euphoria off 100mg.

Funnily enough, that night i rolled with the cold, it went away that night lol
 
I don't mean your e-diet, I mean eating fruit or something for energy?? or does eating kill the roll?? I don't know.. I feel like I should eat something.. But I was just asking to see if any of you guys eat anything while you guys roll haha
 
well eating whilst 'rolling' ,
you could vomit,
however people like to have a little munch on something sweet like strawberries and stuff.
 
okay that sounds good.. thanks a lot hahaha.. by the way, I would pm you back but being a greenlighter, I can only send one every 3 hours.. >.<;; thanks again!!
 
i dunno about chocolate, but I know people who don't eat anything except fruit and some vegetables (mostly citrus fruits thought) for 24 hours before they roll
 
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