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Women and Badboys

To give a guy's perspective-- I have a decent amount of time logged with this personality type and interpret their behavior as actually being avoidant. The people that I view the strongest in a social context are the ones who are truly at peace with themselves, like a lion, king of their jungle. The Lion King is actually a great example of what I'm trying to describe-- Scar is the antisocial male who is subordinate to Mustafa and eventually Simba-- the relaxed, truly confident ones. Scar is charming and antisocial to the point of manipulating and killing his family for his personal benefit... he's really a perfect example, albeit an extreme one.

So do which one would you prefer, Scar or Mustafa/ Simba?
 
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When you think about it, someone who has a taste for fighting has a much higher chance of getting into a life-threatening altercation in the first place. After all, it is 2011, not 1011. While I suppose 1,000 years of evolution isn't that many in the grand scheme of things, I'd still have to say the logic is fundamentally flawed there. Your non-fighter will have a much better chance for survival. The balance thing you brought up comes into play here, because effectively, you'd want someone who never invites an altercation unless met with a situation threatening the safety of himself or his family.

Unfortunately, you will never really know who that person is, because they would naturally never display that side of themselves, for fear of getting into an unnecessary confrontation <-- which is perfect, as you wouldn't want him to be harmed, right?

So what you're saying is a little selfish, because it implies that you require a guy to display traits that you find sexually appealing, while logic dictates that those very same traits decrease his overall chances of survival.


Like I said, in this day and age most conflicts are pshychological, so it mostly comes down to social power and qualities which helps you achieve that, i.e. verbal and mental ability, the most verbally dominating man in a group is usually preferred by women, and other qualitiies like aggression, emotional strength, sheer power, and whatever allows you to achieve social dominance. This is how men of smaller size can be more socially powerful and dominant.

Men of social power also tend to be bullies, just because they can be, and even look for situations where they can demonstrate their power (i.e. "Did you spill my pint?"). Which I find kind of moronic. Like, my boyfriend never hits someone first, unless they have done something to really deserve it, but if they hit him first he can break a few bones. But I don't think you as a woman can really put yourself in the position of a man who loses control over his aggression when he's in a situation where he feels he has to fight for his life (this is something women don't really have to experience and we also have a much greater ability to inhibit aggression than men do). Though I guess we are all attracted to what we are good at so you can't really be that judgemental.

All the same, violence is still a part of the male world, much more so than the female. I guess it depends what environments you are part of, but it does happen, and is a constant threat to you as a man. More so if you are more masculine and more easily aroused that way. As for being selfish, yea, I guess I don't mind a guy demonstrating some strength just to make me horny, hahah. But I spend a lot of time making myself look good for the opposite sex so it seems only fair they should suffer some in return. :) Anyway, badboys totally get this as it's part of their nature, and being willing to get involved in fights/conflicts doesn't usually decrease their chances of survival. They seem to see it more as practice. I didn't understand them before, but I kind of do now. And I don't think a man should go around all his life hiding from any conflict.



While we're on the topic of sex appeal, how sexy do you find pedantic overthinking? ;)

Hahah. I think we can all safely agree this is not very sexy in either of the sexes...it's just not something that is remotely connected to sex appeal or male/female attraction in any way. But that doesn't mean that thinking or mental development has no value, there is more to life than appealing to the opposite sex, just keep it out of that context, I guess.

Although intellectuals tend to be attracted by each other, too. Though there are different types of "intellectuals". For instance the "geeky" kind, which I'm not, but more of the creative kind. Some like it and some don't.
 
Is that you agreeing with me or talking shit? Hard to tell. I think we agree that anyone who is all hard or all soft becomes unattractive, and it is the melding of the qualities (in men or women) that becomes attractive? If you were more of a bad-ass yourself do you think you would feel the need to be protected, or scared that your man might hurt you? Personally, nothing is hotter to me than the knowledge that a woman would slit my throat if I crossed her. I can't relate to your fear of death.[/I]

Not trying to argue with you, just see you as a bit of a curiosity. The sexes generally look for someone who would qualify as a good parent for their potential child, i.e. a man looks for a woman who would be a good nurturer/caretaker (men look for love more than women do) and someone who's not so much of a slut she's likely to pass someone else's child off as yours, or leave your children alone at night while she goes out partying. While women look for a good protector/hunter on the one hand, but also someone who is willing to take care of you and your children and has enough love and is enough of a nurturer for that. This can be a problem for badboys, though they also fall in love, and then they can qualify quite well in that way.

But the ideal of a killer instinct in a woman is something I have not encountered in a man before. Or at least a heterosexual man. I just find it strange, but won't say anything else about it than that I find it a curiousity. It might just be that you value this quality so much in yourself that you also admire it in others. Like how women can admire men for being loving and sensitive, as these are attributes women are admired for, and some can extend it to feel it's just as important in a man. This is not that uncommon, actually, and many men like more masculine women, and women more feminine men, as they find them easier to relate to. I also agree that is the case, but appreciate the dynamic of the male/female attraction of a masculine man and a feminine woman more, which can be very exciting, if not always harmonious. I guess what it comes down to is do you want peace and harmony or attraction and excitement? Though ideally we'd like both, and a few can straddle that balance quite well, though this is somewhat of an art.

I guess what both sexes fear the most is to be used by someone who sees no personal value in them/has no feelings for them (i.e. men would rather not be used for money and women would rather not be used for sex). This is easy enough to understand if you have some ability to see from the perspective of both sexes (though more immature souls famously lack this ability).
 
I had a few books due at the local library today but I refused to return them even with the knowledge I'd incur overdue fines as a result.

So yeah, you could label me a bad boy.

Better change your sheets :)
 
By the way, no, if I was more of a badass myself I might not feel such a need for that kind of guy...but truly how many women are...and how many men really want a woman like that? I thought men liked a woman who make them feel protective and can enjoy being submissive to them and make them feel like a MAN. Especially in this feminist society (feminist in a way I don't like, I mean), it seems to be a rare experience that most men relish, and most women never get to experience that joy.

But even if I was like the proverbial amazon, I am still a woman with the same programming, and the same attraction triggers, and would probably just require an even stronger kind of guy. As I think as a woman one prerequisite is that a man is stronger than you, otherwise he's not seen as being of much use, and dominant women are said to have the hardest time finding men who turn them on. So while I am not of the really dominant kind, or have no interest in being dominant, really, I am also not of the submissive kind, and don't like taking orders or being socially submissive. Except from a man who turns me on, as a special reward for him, that is. :)

I think badboys are for women who really love men, though, and are turned on by masculine energy. So many women won't let men be men and want to turn them into women. I am not one of those.
 
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Nice guys often do get a raw deal until they hit their 20s, when women stop looking for "the hardest bloke" around.

People like you are in denial about one main thing. Good looks. People are euphemistically replacing "not so good looking" with "nice guy." What the hell?

The people that can get dates are good looking. That's all. You can be nice, you can be a dick, but if you are good looking, women will want to get your attention. Maybe later, people learn to appreciate qualities outside of looks, but all this "nice guy" and "friends zone" is just a bunch bullshit to make "less attractive" guys think they have a chance with hot women if they behave in a certain way.

Also, Cyc raises a good point about time elapsing in the so-called "process of evolution." Going by "animalistic" standards based on a supposed "genetic hardwiring" is a bunch of nonsense. Do any of you "great scientists" realize that humans have been civilized and far developed outside of whatever base animal instincts they might have once had when they were still apes? Humans haven't been animals for tens of thousands of years. Just cause humans were descended from some order of apes doesn't exactly mean we are still apes.

So Ninae, give the pseudoscientific excuses a rest and just face it - this is just some idiosynchratic personal preference you developed in your life.
 
People like you are in denial about one main thing. Good looks. People are euphemistically replacing "not so good looking" with "nice guy." What the hell?

The people that can get dates are good looking. That's all. You can be nice, you can be a dick, but if you are good looking, women will want to get your attention. Maybe later, people learn to appreciate qualities outside of looks, but all this "nice guy" and "friends zone" is just a bunch bullshit to make "less attractive" guys think they have a chance with hot women if they behave in a certain way.

So Ninae, give the pseudoscientific excuses a rest and just face it - this is just some idiosynchratic personal preference you developed in your life.

poppycock.

similar to men, yes for that initial two second spark, physical attraction is what draws us to our potential mates, but to keep us requires all of the same ingredients (personality, mental stimulation etc) as our male counterparts (there are many people who in past i have found fleetingly and stereotypically physically attractive to then converse with them and soon thereafter find them to be incredibly repulsive). there are also many instances where conversing with someone, can suddenly make them extremely attractive to you, and feelings develop/intensify further from there, and initial "good looks" have fuckall to do with it.

...kytnism...:|

ps. i enjoyed ninaes post.
 
poppycock.

physical attraction is what draws us to our potential mates, but to keep us requires all of the same ingredients (personality, mental stimulation etc)

well, my point still rules - you can't keep something that you can't attract. But, you do have a point. Any gorl that says something as gay as "poppycock" to me is not going to have me.

Also, it's time I knew this too: Wtf is a kytnism?
 
As for being selfish, yea, I guess I don't mind a guy demonstrating some strength just to make me horny, hahah. But I spend a lot of time making myself look good for the opposite sex so it seems only fair they should suffer some in return.

so, because you put on make-up and high-heels a potential mate deserves to beaten, shanked, shot or worse? wow...

While women look for a good protector/hunter on the one hand, but also someone who is willing to take care of you and your children and has enough love and is enough of a nurturer for that.

and you think someone like Sid Vicious is able to protect or take care of a family? i think you are confusing two very different types of men here.

Any gorl that says something as gay as "poppycock" to me is not going to have me.

did you just use "gay" as a synonym for "lame" or "stupid"? you're not going to get very far in your arguments here without enough tact to recognize you might offend a good portion of the audience you're speaking to.
 
^yes, I meant as in "lame" just like how the rest of America uses the term. IME most actually gay people don't get too pissed about it being used that way, but I understand. I kind of gave up on the whole "tact" thing on the internet this year, and I've got the infraction points to show for it too. Only for you Fawkes; I'll try to be a little nicer. :) At least you're making some sense in this thread.
 
poppycock.

similar to men, yes for that initial two second spark, physical attraction is what draws us to our potential mates, but to keep us requires all of the same ingredients (personality, mental stimulation etc) as our male counterparts (there are many people who in past i have found fleetingly and stereotypically physically attractive to then converse with them and soon thereafter find them to be incredibly repulsive). there are also many instances where conversing with someone, can suddenly make them extremely attractive to you, and feelings develop/intensify further from there, and initial "good looks" have fuckall to do with it.

...kytnism...:|

ps. i enjoyed ninaes post.

Yep. I went out on a first date with this gorgeous guy. He was 24 year old surfer boy and I was 35. He was a producer and was in Florida producing that female cops show on A&E (forget the name). He was cool and told me a bunch of stuff about reality shows I didn't know, but I had some flags and told myself just to have sex, but I couldn't do it. Plus, he *asked* to kiss me, and that just totally threw me off. Boohooo he was so hot.

Incidentally, a bunch of those producers for that show got sued for telling the criminals they'd pay for this and that. I still have his number and always thought that I should text him and say "umm, dude, really?" lol
 
Asking comes from the mouth, permission usually comes from the eyes. You don't want to get your sensory organs all skewed up when you're not even at 2nd base yet.
 
Asking comes from the mouth, permission usually comes from the eyes. You don't want to get your sensory organs all skewed up when you're not even at 2nd base yet.


lol I'm told I'm hard to read. In this instance, I probably was, but I would have kissed him if he had the cajones to go for it. I really need someone who is smart and a go-getter type or I will walk all over him. This was a bit different, but he was hot hot hot and ruined it! I was so pissed. lol I was going back and forth in my head if I would sleep with him the whole date, so I maybe gave him mixed signals.
 
well, my point still rules - you can't keep something that you can't attract. But, you do have a point. Any gorl that says something as gay as "poppycock" to me is not going to have me.

Also, it's time I knew this too: Wtf is a kytnism?

you can tell youre a true alex jones fanboi (besides the fact you advertise it regularly).

thankyou for murdering my post with ignorance, cut and paste and propaganda. :D

...kytnism...:|
 
I guess i could be considered a bad boy with all the fighting, drinking, drug use, casual sex and general may ham that my past has consisted of. In my experience girls don't like guys who go over the top and start fighting everyone after they get a few rum and cokes into them. You just come off as a asshole that way. But most women Ive known do like a guy who they know will stick up for them whatever the odds and can handle himself in a scrap. Most women like a guy who can atleast fight better then them and can handle some douche bag perv who might start some trouble.
 
A bad thing. I really was kinda taken aback. He ruined the moment.

Honestly, I wouldn't give a damn if a girl asked me before kissing me. That seems like a pretty insignificant thing to get taken aback over. Your "romantic moods" are awfully fragile. "You" ruined it; not him.

lol I'm told I'm hard to read. In this instance, I probably was, but I would have kissed him if he had the cajones to go for it. I really need someone who is smart and a go-getter type or I will walk all over him.

From what I've read of your posts, you seem like a difficult type of person that's for sure. You shouldn't make things so difficult for others and yourself. You're never gonna have success with men if you don't let them know how you feel so they can feel comfortable being around you. The only guys that will stick around with you (for a while) are ones who straight up don't give a fuck about how you feel.

People on here think I'm an ass, but damn, I don't play that "act agressive or I'll walk all over you" type of stuff. That's just evil. I'm the opposite. I only enjoy walking over the aggressive fuckers in this world. Gentle people recive gentleness from me in turn. Maybe you need to start going to church :) haha.
 
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