Question about why, when, and who for the mods...

painenduser

painenduser

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Hey Mods, quick question. I do not mind if a post of mine is removed, that is certainly your prerogative and I fully respect that, but my question is some of my post go missing, disappeared, poof gone, and I presume because it broke a rule of some sort, but noone PM's me to tell me what I did wrong.. If noone is willing to tell me what was wrong with my post how will I ever learn from my mistake so that I don't make the same mistake again? I think it's only fair that if we mess up and you remove our post that someone PM's the person and explains why their post has been removed. Am I asking for too much or is this a question of it's our house, our rules, you deal with it or find somewhere else to go? I hate to say it and I'm not trying to cause any trouble but thats the feeling I get as a couple of my posts have been removed with no courtesy explaining why and I wind up bothering the wrong people asking what was wrong with my post.

Could someone please help and explain this to me? I really like it here and thus far most of the mods have been amazingly cool, and helpful, but I feel that some respect is due to people who's post get removed.

Thanks!

Pain.


BTW, I just wanted to add that in no way what so ever did I mean any disrespect to anyone who may have found this post to be so, that is certainly not the intent, so allow me to apologize if anyone has taken this post as flaming the mods or admins as I have no intentions of doing so, I would just like some understanding why my posts just wind up in the land of lost socks.
 
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alasdairm said:
^ pm the mods of the forum in question.

alasdair
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Well here in lie's one of my problems, I placed a post in here earlier because I wanted to ask one of the mods about something that had been said in the thread but that mod's mbox was full so it wouldn't let me send, so I placed a post in here asking for that mod and seeing if someone could relay I was trying to get a hold of them or if they themselves read the post maybe they could clear a spot so I could PM them. Someone in here deleted my post or had done something with it because I can no longer find it, so I followed up with this post as apparently PM'ing is not always available. Not to mention there are sometimes multiple mods for a sub forum, I certainly don't want to PM each of them, so I'm just asking why can't the mod who deleted a post to begin with, just PM the persons who's started the thread and tell them why its been deleted. It's just simple courtesy. :(
 
some forums require a great deal of moderation. sending a pm to every user for every post move/delete/whatever is way too much work.

if the staff member in question has a full pm box, send a pm to one of their peers on the forum staff.

contacting the forum staff directly is the way to deal with this (as outlined in the greenlighters' guide).

alasdair
 
painenduser, you have shown great hubris in thinking a moderator would need to explain to you anything about why a post was deleted. they do as they will. on occasion when such things come up in support you might get a more extensive rationale, like we have a reason but you should PM the mod about it(so he/she can get snotty and abusive with you in a way that will be less public.) good luck on this.
 
Might as well just close the thread as apparently my arrogance in asking this question was more then even I had expected it would be. I'll just sit back, shut up, and not speak until spoken too as to not over extend my welcome here. In no way was I intending to show any arrogance or hubris, disrespect, or in any way attempt to challenge the reasonings behind what anyone does here. I guess my question just makes me look like an ass for even asking it in the first place. I suppose since I can not learn from a mistake I did not know I made, I will limit my postings here.

Again, Please close my post to avoid any more flaming which I am sure will come my way. And again I offer my apologies for my foolishness in asking this question.

Peace!

Pain(NeverEnding)User
 
twas satirizing bluelight's purported openness to feedback painenduser, and not your post. if you noticed I have a single post before this one. what do i know of how things run? its not as though i have any skills in moving the flow of public opinion or could ever detect and expose other parties shallow splashings in that regard. ignore me. a mod should explain why a post is UAed in a PM and a lot of BL folk at the top will admit that that is the best practice.
 
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twas satirizing bluelight's purported openness to feedback painenduser, and not your post. if you noticed I have a single post before this one. what do i know of how things run? its not as though i have any skills in moving the flow of public opinion or could ever detect and expose other parties shallow splashings in that regard. ignore me. a mod should explain why a post is UAed in a PM and a lot of BL folk at the top will admit that that is the best practice.
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My misunderstanding serated, I was just pretty ticked with the answer I had gotten prior and already not in the best of moods as I have been pretty sick the last 2 weeks (was hospitalized a few days back with 2 IV with anti-biotics and a 3rd to take home) to avoid pneumonia. I guess I read into your post wrong and I apologize for that. I pwe you a beer for actually being on my side on this one.

Anyway the thread best be closed or we'll both be getting flamed pretty soon :(
 
They'll close when they are inclined to close. They are their Imperial Majestys and not to be trifled with

I'm sorry things haven't been well for you. TDS tends to be a very compassionate forum within Bluelight you might check out but be aware, TDS is ever increasingly oriented towards abstinance as the answer or just shut the fuck up. My characterization might be a slight exageration.

And the higher up you go regarding feedback on BL the more gently and reasonably your feedback will be received imo but a fuck what of difference it will make in the long run. Hope things get much better very soon for you.
 
alasdairm said:
some forums require a great deal of moderation. sending a pm to every user for every post move/delete/whatever is way too much work.
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Just a note, I was only inquiring about post that have been deleted, as moved posts if done right (and how its done in every forum I have been a part of) Once the thread is moved, there is a thread left behind where it was originally that states thread has moved, please click this link to follow the thread to it's new/correct home (or something similar). I am merely asking and humbling myself asking for someone to kindly notify me as to why my post was deleted. I don't think that is to much to ask, maybe it is, I dont know. I do know this however, I started off in here as being on everyones good side and I plan to keep it that way. So if my request is to much of a bother, just let me know and I'll stop posting until I learn all the rules, or I find a better forums to be a part of, which I can assure you will not be easy to find....
 
^I actually stumbled upon the thread you're talking about. It hasnt been deleted, simply unapproved. I havent looked at who unapproved it but its not a big deal. I was actually chatting with the mod who it was addressed to as I saw it, so I relayed the message to her and she should be in contact with your shortly, or at least have some space in her PM box if you want to try again. :)

I cant speak for your other threads that have gone missing, but this particular one was likely UA'd because it was a personal message to a single person, and we'd rather not have the main parts of the site used for personal messages that way, we dont really want it becoming simply a social message board, so I do hope you understand. :) As has been suggested, you can always PM another mod in the forum and have them relay the message. As far as *why* you were not contacted for this one, again I dont know who actually UA'd it as I havent checked yet, but the mod was likely busy and either thought it was minor enough that it didnt need addressing, or meant to and simply forgot. A lot of times we do try and contact members when taking a thread or post out of view, but sometimes, for whatever reason, that just doesnt happen, so I'm sorry about any confusion this may have caused. :)

I hope this answers your question. Feel free to PM me with any similar issues and I'll be happy to relay messages. :)
 
Honestly fizzle, do you think the mod was busy as opposed to the existing mod practice on the board for quite some time lacking any emphasis on notifying users about UAed posts? Be honest woman!
 
ms Fizzle, a very explicit question for you. Has it ever been BL policy that moderators need to inform about UAed posts, either by PM or by posting that information within the thread? Stated another way, hasn't it always been the case that no policy exists that requires or even suggests that moderators ought inform members about their posts that have been UAed?
 
serated said:
Has it ever been BL policy that moderators need to inform about UAed posts, either by PM or by posting that information within the thread?
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no.
serated said:
Stated another way, hasn't it always been the case that no policy exists that requires or even suggests that moderators ought inform members about their posts that have been UAed?
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yes.

it's odd that you just ask the same question a different way - as if you're uncovering some great conspiracy for the first time when the issue is pretty mundane.
painenduser said:
I am merely asking and humbling myself asking for someone to kindly notify me as to why my post was deleted. I don't think that is to much to ask, maybe it is, I dont know. I do know this however, I started off in here as being on everyones good side and I plan to keep it that way. So if my request is to much of a bother, just let me know and I'll stop posting until I learn all the rules, or I find a better forums to be a part of, which I can assure you will not be easy to find....
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i think it is too much to ask. forum moderators do a huge amount of housekeeping work which is never seen. having to contact every single user, every time a post is unapproved is, in my opinion, too much to ask. if you disagree, i'm happy to agree to disagree.

also, don't think that serated speaks for bluelight*. he's just a disgruntled user and the irony of his own posts is obviously lost on him :)

welcome to bluelight

alasdair

* nor do i speak for bluelight. this is just another user's opinion.
 
FWIW, I agree with the OP in principle. one of my pet peeves used to be mods 'disappearing' posts without any notice or explanation, even if it's a blatant and obvious breach of forum guidelines or the BLUA.

far better to *edit* a post with a brief explanation of why it's been removed. that way the poster as well as *everyone else* reading the thread (including the other mods) knows why it's been removed.

and the same goes for closing threads too. mods should explain in the last post why it's being closed (or in the pop-up 'reason for closing' box, if that still works.)

as alasdair said, get in touch with the mods of the forum (all of them, if you don't know which one did it), if you need to discuss a particular post. if you don't get a satisfactory response, escalate it to the senior mods allocated to that forum. they're listed at the top of the Announcements forum.

however, if you are continually and deliberately breaking the rules, i wouldn't expect much sympathy.
 
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Has it ever been BL policy that moderators need to inform about UAed posts, either by PM or by posting that information within the thread?
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the Mod Handbook states:

Please be aware that the contents of these forums are confidential and the contents of all staff forums should not be made public. The staff forums can only operate effectively if there is an implicit assurance of trust between all staff members.
 
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^ fair enough. that said, there's policy and there's policy and there's de facto policy. i don't think the above has ever been strictly enforced and, aside from serated's sarcastic complaint, i can't recall this ever being an issue in the last few years and i think forum staff have appropriate discretion here.

alasdair
 
yep. I never thought there was a set-in-stone policy for this, and I had to trawl the mod handbook to see if it was even mentioned anywhere.

but it's definitely been an issue in the past and clearly it still is. it's just basic courtesy to let people know what happened to their missing posts, with the win/win bonus of letting the other members and mods know why they've been removed or edited.
 
I more often post a reason for UAing in the thread than send out PMs if there's multiple posts that need moderating, OP have you checked the threads in question to see if one of the mods has explained it?
 
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