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Solpadeine red cocodomal 12.8/500 can a cold water extraction be used on these

Ganjcat

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so in the uk i brought these red solpadeine 'max' piss because they have 50% more codeine than the normal ones but i just realised theyre red and ive been looking them up to see if anyone has actually done a cwe on them but i cant find anything?
 
Fuck it im just gonna swallow them
 
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The colour of the tablets are immaterial mate. A CWE will work on these as well as any other codeine tablets.

I've moved it over to EADD for you anyway.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
The colour of the tablets are immaterial mate. A CWE will work on these as well as any other codeine tablets.

I've moved it over to EADD for you anyway.
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You sure? Cos Solpadeine are usually soluble (hence the "sol" in the title). I think they may make an insoluble capsule form, but generally speaking Solpadeine are the ones that dissolve in water and hence can't be used in a CWE..

OP I'd make sure first before you accidentally kill yourself.. and if you are just gonna "swallow them on top of your H" make sure to not exceed 2 of them (1,000mg of paracetamol) or you risk liver damage.. That being the case, if you're taking heroin with them, what possible difference is the addition of a few mg of codeine gonna make? (That's a rhetorical question BTW, the answer is none at all).
 
apocalypse_when said:
You sure? Cos Solpadeine are usually soluble (hence the "sol" in the title). I think they may make an insoluble capsule form, but generally speaking Solpadeine are the ones that dissolve in water and hence can't be used in a CWE..

OP I'd make sure first before you accidentally kill yourself.. and if you are just gonna "swallow them on top of your H" make sure to not exceed 2 of them (1,000mg of paracetamol) or you risk liver damage.. That being the case, if you're taking heroin with them, what possible difference is the addition of a few mg of codeine gonna make? (That's a rhetorical question BTW, the answer is none at all).
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He said they were red, so I'm presuming they're the non soluble solpadeine max tablets that contain paracetamol and codeine, no caffeine. But you make a good point there so he needs to double check. I've never used them myself as they're too expensive - I always buy the cheap as chips generic co-codamol (1.25 for 32).
 
just a question out of curiosity, what difference makes taking codeine on top of some gear? I usually do CWEs with codeine when I got no fucking way to get hold of something better, I don't doubt that it works for people with little to no tolerance but for a gear user that even uses H before taking the codeine what is the effect?
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
The colour of the tablets are immaterial mate. A CWE will work on these as well as any other codeine tablets.

I've moved it over to EADD for you anyway.
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Correction!

Apoc-W. has the gist...

While you are right in general, this enquiry highlights the exception to the rule.

The principle of performing a CWE to extract codeine or dihydrocodeine from a combination medicine containing paracetamol / acetaminophen (APAP) is based on the simple fact that while the codeine dissolves readily in water, APAP does not, at least not at temperatures at or below room temp.

So, as certain folk have difficulty with tablets and capsules, there are certain medicines that contain a version of APAP that has been altered to dissolve in cool water, namely solpadol type products which offer an effervescent version of the drug, or lemsip type cold remedies.

These medicines are inappropriate for performing codeine CWE's as there is no way to filter the APAP as everything dissolves.
 
steewith2ees said:
Correction!

Apoc-W. has the gist...

While you are right in general, this enquiry highlights the exception to the rule.

The principle of performing a CWE to extract codeine or dihydrocodeine from a combination medicine containing paracetamol / acetaminophen (APAP) is based on the simple fact that while the codeine dissolves readily in water, APAP does not, at least not at temperatures at or below room temp.

So, as certain folk have difficulty with tablets and capsules, there are certain medicines that contain a version of APAP that has been altered to dissolve in cool water, namely solpadol type products which offer an effervescent version of the drug, or lemsip type cold remedies.

These medicines are inappropriate for performing codeine CWE's as there is no way to filter the APAP as everything dissolves.
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Read the question Stee. He says the tablets are red. Afaik, (though I may be wrong), the only solpadeine formulation that have red tablets are NON SOLUBLE.
 
steewith2ees said:
Correction!

Apoc-W. has the gist...

While you are right in general, this enquiry highlights the exception to the rule.

The principle of performing a CWE to extract codeine or dihydrocodeine from a combination medicine containing paracetamol / acetaminophen (APAP) is based on the simple fact that while the codeine dissolves readily in water, APAP does not, at least not at temperatures at or below room temp.

So, as certain folk have difficulty with tablets and capsules, there are certain medicines that contain a version of APAP that has been altered to dissolve in cool water, namely solpadol type products which offer an effervescent version of the drug, or lemsip type cold remedies.

These medicines are inappropriate for performing codeine CWE's as there is no way to filter the APAP as everything dissolves.
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Yeah, I always assumed that Solpadeine only came in the version where the whole tablet readily dissolves in cold water (hence the "Sol" in Solpadeine... "Sol" for "Soluble")

BUT after FUBAR's posts I went and checked via Google and there does appear to be a version of Solpadeine that is insoluble in cold water and is just like regular Co-Codamol tablets/capsules... This is very much the exception though, when buying Solpadeine always assume it's the soluble kind and thus NOT suitable for a CWE unless the packaging and the pharmacist categorically state otherwise..

This is a very important thing to get right since while CWEs are considered pretty safe if done right, if someone who perhaos doesn't know what they're doing accidentally uses a soluble form of Co-Codamol and maybe uses 2 or even 3 packs, the result will very likely be severe liver damage and very possibly a long, slow and painful death through liver failure induced by acetaminophen poisoning.

Beware folks... Always read the label etc.etc.
 
apocalypse_when said:
You sure? Cos Solpadeine are usually soluble (hence the "sol" in the title). I think they may make an insoluble capsule form, but generally speaking Solpadeine are the ones that dissolve in water and hence can't be used in a CWE..

OP I'd make sure first before you accidentally kill yourself.. and if you are just gonna "swallow them on top of your H" make sure to not exceed 2 of them (1,000mg of paracetamol) or you risk liver damage.. That being the case, if you're taking heroin with them, what possible difference is the addition of a few mg of codeine gonna make? (That's a rhetorical question BTW, the answer is none at all).
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Well i think it makes a difference to the high i obviously im sure you fact police will disregard is as a placebo tho.
 
Pete556 said:
Well i think it makes a difference to the high i obviously im sure you fact police will disregard is as a placebo tho.
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Lol....If you disregard me/us as "fact police" then perhaps you shouldn't have asked a question requiring a "factual" answer?

Or would you have preferred an answer from the "heresy and bullshit speculation" police instead? :) :) :)
 
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F.U.B.A.R. said:
You called? :D
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HAHAHA!!! That made me quite literally L.O.L.

@Pete556 as you may have guessed, me and FUBAR tend to fuck around a bit to pass the time since this sub is so fucking dead these days..

Although I'm the "fact police" one of the two...He's just a halfwit who specialises it human sacrifice, epic masturbation sessions and breaking his cock...Ask him about it sometime... funny story.. and maybe partly true. (he reckons he was fucking his missus, but was more likely sodomising a goat).








And he's a cunt ;)
 
apocalypse_when said:
Lol....If you disregard me/us as "fact police" then perhaps you shouldn't have asked a question requiring a "factual" answer?

Or would you have preferred an answer from the "heresy and bullshit speculation" police instead? :) :) :)
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well i wasnt aiming it at u or anyone in particular just anyone who comes in and says your idea/experience is placebo basically bulshit I was actually refering to people on drugs-forum.
 
Pete556 said:
well i wasnt aiming it at u or anyone in particular just anyone who comes in and says your idea/experience is placebo basically bulshit I was actually refering to people on drugs-forum.
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It was just a bit of fun bro. Not meant to be taken seriously. Just fucking around.

As you may have noticed, this forum is fucking dead with only a few posters all day so we just fuck about and take the piss put of each other to lighten things up a bit.

But on a serious note, the point I was making was that even if you took the maximum directed dose (without ODing on paracetamol), you would get probably less than 30mg of codeine (don't know how much codeine is in Solpadeine, but if it's OTC then has to be less than 13mg)... and if that's on top of heroin it's not going to have much of an effects unless you're using literally miniscule amounts of heroin and have no tollerance. Maybe if you swallow the whole box, but you would then fuck your liver and your comment was (quote) "Fuck it im just gonna swallow them on top of my H," .

surely you see what I mean?

Also bare in mind that although we may fuck about, this is a harm reduction forum and other people read your posts too so we have to be factual and can't advocate or recomend swallowing a box of un-extracted Solpadeine on top of heroin .... and your original question was regarding whether they could be CWE'd or not.
 
Yeah i swallowed them because no one really gave me an answer to my question I usually take 2 every 2-3 hours maximum of 8 tablets which is 108 mgs of codeine might not sound like much but believe it or not these tablets do work at low doses and if you take them over the day just like it tells you to it builds up if nothing else its gives the H a boost i know technically i shouldn't do this but I have taken 5 solpadeine maxs in one and it defo got me a little bit lean lol but i dont do this often as I know it is risky.
 
Pete556 said:
Yeah i swallowed them because no one really gave me an answer to my question I usually take 2 every 2-3 hours maximum of 8 tablets which is 108 mgs of codeine might not sound like much but believe it or not these tablets do work at low doses and if you take them over the day just like it tells you to it builds up if nothing else its gives the H a boost i know technically i shouldn't do this but I have taken 5 solpadeine maxs in one and it defo got me a little bit lean lol but i dont do this often as I know it is risky.
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It is risky but I think if its a one off then 2,500mg of paracetamol is unlikely to damage an otherwise healthy liver in medium sized male. Obviously if you did it every day for a month then that may be different...I mean it's not safe, but it's not THAT bad.... and believe me I've seen literally hundreds of paracetamol overdoses in my job. I've seen people take 30+ at once and not even require N-acetylcysteine. ...but I've also seen people take as few as 10 and suffer a long drawn out death from liver failure... it's a tough one.

As for whether they can be CWE'd or not, the easy way to find out (besides looking at the box to see if it says soluble or not) is to place one in a glass of cold water and see what happens.... the soluble ones should fizz and dissolve almost straight away with a quick stir..
 
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