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Experience:
Lots of different RC, classical, and oddball psychedelics.
Background:
Slept well, finished a hearty breakfast around 8:15. Felt a hint of a hangover headache, and definitely felt fuzzy from the margaritas the night before. Haven't been drinking much lately, so I had no tolerance. Drank a couple cups of half-caff coffee to try to stave off caffeine withdrawal, but still feeling a bit sleepy after breakfast. My friend is joining me. He's a little 'meh' as he said right now, as his vacation winds down and he has been saddened by his friend's terminal illness. We're both contemplating making career changes, which can be daunting.
8:40 20mL of 100ug/mL DOC solution taken orally in a cup of OJ
9:00 Maybe a hint of an alert, a tiny tingle of body energy.
9:20 Have been cuddling with the cat, idly attempting to watch my breath, but kept getting distracted by fully realized and meaningful/narrative hypnagogic imagery. I assumed that I was napping, but upon standing up, I realize that things look brighter and feel slightly different already.
9:40 As the come-up continues steadily apace, I start to develop some mild nausea and accompanying salivation. I encapsulate 6 drops of lemon oil and swallow them.
Nausea persists, abating just as slowly as the come-up proceeds, despite four more drops of lemon oil, mints, and ginger. It's not bad if I don't move too much. I can locate the nausea in my body as it moves through - that heavy meal I had earlier. I eventually convince myself it's hunger, which helps. This allows me to transition into music and the erotic
11:50 While it doesn't increase libido, sex was wonderful. Sensual, intimate, free. Really smooth feeling. Side effects are absent at this point. Neither stimulating nor sedating. I'm at a strong ++ so far. Visuals are pleasant, but subdued, forgettable except for the swathes of pale electric blue I occasionally get. Body feels a little shivery. I might be just a touch hungry, but I'm not going there yet. The headspace is light but can go deep easily in the still, limpid pool 2C-B sort of way. I think I'm turned on again because I've confused it with hunger. This material pulls me into periods with my eyes closed, as it's a decently strong peak.
12:50 I don't think I'll ever take this again, simply because I find the stimulation annoying. It's not the worst, but there is no music enhancement, and at this intensity I feel like I need to relax and go inwards, but there's nothing CEV, music is normal, and I feel restless. Visuals are subdued but mostly the interesting pastel neon blue smear is noteworthy. My hands are quite tremory. I know that I should eat something, but that will have to wait. I'm in a good headspace, largely due to paying Beatsaber and Dance Dance Revolution on easy mode to uplifting tunes.
1:15 Stimulation abates a bit and internalizes so that it's no longer obnoxious and now just has pleasant body feels. Played a bit in VR to help focus, my friend hung out in the hammock for an hour and a half. I experienced ego death while listening to Mozart, which wasn't enhanced. CEVs are insanely intense. Headspace is much more intense than earlier, but with the stimulation abated I'm in a much better place despite tripping much harder. This is quite pleasant.
2:15 Same as before. Ate some sunflower seeds and drank some orange juice.
3:30 Spent some time in the hammock myself. This proved valuable. I re-evaluated my self image viscerally, remodelling and remolding myself. I realized that I'd ben viewing myself as old and worn down when I'm young and vital. I can be optimistic, the negative depressing thought patterns are habitual cognitive grooves, yet new paths can be better worn in. I kept getting pulled back under into the closed eye world. The imagery wasn't very defined, but the colors were extravagant, almost painfully bright at times. Yellow, orange, red, green, hieroglpyhs and patterns, but mostly lines and smears as if they were drawn with a blunt styles in MS Paint. I could easily get pulled into hyper-Geigerian sexual fantasy fractals if I wanted. I could go down the path of pleasure and hedonism from here or the path of light, peace, and happiness. I'm still calling this a strong ++ because it feels so lucid, but I suspect it could be a +++.
5:00 Spent over an hour laying in the hammock watching the clouds and the swallows drift around the sky as I dip in and out of closed eye reveries. The very last of the CEVs died down as I write this. I'm suddenly starving.
7:15 Despite eating copious amounts of sunflower seeds, blueberries, and OJ, I'm still ravenous and am about to cook some dinner. I'm at about a + now and yawning. I still wouldn't want to go out and interact with people, though--I'm still pretty substantially altered, although hardly at all comparatively. Neck and shoulder tension relieved with a second dose of magnesium for us both. Side-effects surprisingly mild for me, considering the intensity of the experience. The experience was strong, but not deep. I would find myself restless until I found an activity, then I would be fine so long as I was settled into it. Body sensations were mostly pleasant cold shivers.
I don't think there's any reason to go higher than this, maybe 2.5mg tops. This was plenty strong and the stimulation during the confusing come-up was a bit much. Mostly, this space reminded me of the limpid part of 2C-B extended and not nearly as clear. It was powerful and a little interesting. It wasn't recreational, per se, but it wasn't unpleasant. It wasn't deep or spiritual, either. The time dilation was certainly strong, and I feel like I've had a week's vacation in a day. If this is what 2C-C is like, but shorter and less stimulating, I'd love it.
8:15 Sober enough to talk to my mom on the phone, so apart from residue I'm calling this down.
10:00 I feel like I took some amphetamine or 3-FPM. I'm alert and sleep is in no way coming. This is probably exacerbated by my second dose of magnesium given its idiosyncratic stimulant effects on me. I'm yawning, so I'll probably take a benzo in lieu of something more destructive like alcohol.
Next day: I fell asleep within seconds of hitting the pillow, even though I felt the stimulation alongside the relatively mild effects of the 1mg etizolam. I woke rested at 7, went back to sleep, then woke easily at 8am. There was no afterglow, but I felt fine.
Overview:
I was too altered to keep good notes during this experience. Writing put me in an undesirable state, so I was unwilling to keep the kind of notes that I needed to truly capture the experience. The post-peak or plateau part of the experience (no clear boundary) was one marked by a youthful ease. When I was doing something, I could ease into it and enjoy it fully, although my body was often rather squirmy. When I was between activities, I was occasionally restless and confused. The comeup was pretty strongly muntering and confusing for both of is, only noticed when I reached the peak. My friend said that he'd enjoy this again maybe once or twice a year at a dose of about 1mg, as a way of forcing himself to appreciate what he's doing and live in the moment rather than be preoccupied with the days to come. It was the perfect strong experience to prevent him from ruining his second-to-last day of vacation by dreading the coming Monday, so much so that the following day he was still able to live in the moment and not dread it. It did not challenge him in a cognitive way, but was still strong enough to stretch out time and allow him to experience the moment. I'm dubious about low doses, thinking that it may fall in the PEA. In many ways, the experience reminded me of mescaline, strangely. Probably because it was a long, stable PEA experience (although still a lot shorter than mescaline.) It just didn't have a lot of empathy or clarity or spirituality or insight to it--mind you, I've been taking a lot of psychedelics this year, so that should be factored in. It also reminded me pretty strongly of 2C-B, but without 2C-B's unique flair. This time, I feel like DOC showed off more than the previous time, although mostly in the form of nodding off into a land of stunningly colored visuals, with nothing to really bring back. It certainly was impressive...in a way. I just don't know who this would be appealing to or for what purpose...maybe people wanting to get properly muntered at a festival? That doesn't appeal to me. For my friend, I think it also was an archetypal psychedelic, "kind of meh", "just kind of there" (something he seems to have developed an appreciation for by the end. It's too strong for the inexperienced given it's duration, I feel, but unlikely to be appreciated by the experienced potentially, but everyone's different. The lack of pushiness seems like a virtue, but I couldn't take much back from it. I just hope the one central antidepressant lesson sticks, but color me skeptical. Part of me wonders what it would be like vape-titrated, maybe allowing for better management of the stimulation, but I doubt it.
Addendum:
The following week would already have been much better than usual, so I initially thought that the feelings of positivity and joie de vivre could be attributed to that. The next week should have been even more positive, but I could feel the afterglow fading. It appears that there was a strong afterglow for ten days, leaving me not feeling more connected, in touch empathetic, or spiritual. Instead, I just felt more myself, happy, upbeat, and it felt entirely natural and organic, not like residual drug effects. The same was true for my friend for about the same length of time. I almost wonder if this antidepressant effect might be due to anti-inflammatory activity from the DOC - the experience itself was not deep or meaningful or offering particularly enduring insights (I forgot about the one insight I got from it until I wrote this) but the life enhancing qualities of it were pronounced. I wonder if these effects would be present from microdosing, if nanomolar concentrations might not be active (even if not as potent as DOI is said to be.) I doubt it based on the limited empirical evidence I was able to find, but it seems like it could be worth investigating. Still, I doubt I will.
Post-script:
It's been three months or so since the experience, and the re-envisioning of myself as a younger, more vigorous person has stuck, and I've channeled that energy into developing healthier habits (like getting out socially, eating better, focusing on research interests, meditating, and exercising regularly,) as well as eliminating less-healthy ones (like compulsive mobile gaming and Facebook refreshing.) None of this seems too connected to insights from the experience, but I'm not one to complain. While this report isn't exactly glowing, I now look back on the experience more favorably after seeing the positive changes in my life that followed from it.
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Lots of different RC, classical, and oddball psychedelics.
Background:
Slept well, finished a hearty breakfast around 8:15. Felt a hint of a hangover headache, and definitely felt fuzzy from the margaritas the night before. Haven't been drinking much lately, so I had no tolerance. Drank a couple cups of half-caff coffee to try to stave off caffeine withdrawal, but still feeling a bit sleepy after breakfast. My friend is joining me. He's a little 'meh' as he said right now, as his vacation winds down and he has been saddened by his friend's terminal illness. We're both contemplating making career changes, which can be daunting.
8:40 20mL of 100ug/mL DOC solution taken orally in a cup of OJ
9:00 Maybe a hint of an alert, a tiny tingle of body energy.
9:20 Have been cuddling with the cat, idly attempting to watch my breath, but kept getting distracted by fully realized and meaningful/narrative hypnagogic imagery. I assumed that I was napping, but upon standing up, I realize that things look brighter and feel slightly different already.
9:40 As the come-up continues steadily apace, I start to develop some mild nausea and accompanying salivation. I encapsulate 6 drops of lemon oil and swallow them.
Nausea persists, abating just as slowly as the come-up proceeds, despite four more drops of lemon oil, mints, and ginger. It's not bad if I don't move too much. I can locate the nausea in my body as it moves through - that heavy meal I had earlier. I eventually convince myself it's hunger, which helps. This allows me to transition into music and the erotic
11:50 While it doesn't increase libido, sex was wonderful. Sensual, intimate, free. Really smooth feeling. Side effects are absent at this point. Neither stimulating nor sedating. I'm at a strong ++ so far. Visuals are pleasant, but subdued, forgettable except for the swathes of pale electric blue I occasionally get. Body feels a little shivery. I might be just a touch hungry, but I'm not going there yet. The headspace is light but can go deep easily in the still, limpid pool 2C-B sort of way. I think I'm turned on again because I've confused it with hunger. This material pulls me into periods with my eyes closed, as it's a decently strong peak.
12:50 I don't think I'll ever take this again, simply because I find the stimulation annoying. It's not the worst, but there is no music enhancement, and at this intensity I feel like I need to relax and go inwards, but there's nothing CEV, music is normal, and I feel restless. Visuals are subdued but mostly the interesting pastel neon blue smear is noteworthy. My hands are quite tremory. I know that I should eat something, but that will have to wait. I'm in a good headspace, largely due to paying Beatsaber and Dance Dance Revolution on easy mode to uplifting tunes.
1:15 Stimulation abates a bit and internalizes so that it's no longer obnoxious and now just has pleasant body feels. Played a bit in VR to help focus, my friend hung out in the hammock for an hour and a half. I experienced ego death while listening to Mozart, which wasn't enhanced. CEVs are insanely intense. Headspace is much more intense than earlier, but with the stimulation abated I'm in a much better place despite tripping much harder. This is quite pleasant.
2:15 Same as before. Ate some sunflower seeds and drank some orange juice.
3:30 Spent some time in the hammock myself. This proved valuable. I re-evaluated my self image viscerally, remodelling and remolding myself. I realized that I'd ben viewing myself as old and worn down when I'm young and vital. I can be optimistic, the negative depressing thought patterns are habitual cognitive grooves, yet new paths can be better worn in. I kept getting pulled back under into the closed eye world. The imagery wasn't very defined, but the colors were extravagant, almost painfully bright at times. Yellow, orange, red, green, hieroglpyhs and patterns, but mostly lines and smears as if they were drawn with a blunt styles in MS Paint. I could easily get pulled into hyper-Geigerian sexual fantasy fractals if I wanted. I could go down the path of pleasure and hedonism from here or the path of light, peace, and happiness. I'm still calling this a strong ++ because it feels so lucid, but I suspect it could be a +++.
5:00 Spent over an hour laying in the hammock watching the clouds and the swallows drift around the sky as I dip in and out of closed eye reveries. The very last of the CEVs died down as I write this. I'm suddenly starving.
7:15 Despite eating copious amounts of sunflower seeds, blueberries, and OJ, I'm still ravenous and am about to cook some dinner. I'm at about a + now and yawning. I still wouldn't want to go out and interact with people, though--I'm still pretty substantially altered, although hardly at all comparatively. Neck and shoulder tension relieved with a second dose of magnesium for us both. Side-effects surprisingly mild for me, considering the intensity of the experience. The experience was strong, but not deep. I would find myself restless until I found an activity, then I would be fine so long as I was settled into it. Body sensations were mostly pleasant cold shivers.
I don't think there's any reason to go higher than this, maybe 2.5mg tops. This was plenty strong and the stimulation during the confusing come-up was a bit much. Mostly, this space reminded me of the limpid part of 2C-B extended and not nearly as clear. It was powerful and a little interesting. It wasn't recreational, per se, but it wasn't unpleasant. It wasn't deep or spiritual, either. The time dilation was certainly strong, and I feel like I've had a week's vacation in a day. If this is what 2C-C is like, but shorter and less stimulating, I'd love it.
8:15 Sober enough to talk to my mom on the phone, so apart from residue I'm calling this down.
10:00 I feel like I took some amphetamine or 3-FPM. I'm alert and sleep is in no way coming. This is probably exacerbated by my second dose of magnesium given its idiosyncratic stimulant effects on me. I'm yawning, so I'll probably take a benzo in lieu of something more destructive like alcohol.
Next day: I fell asleep within seconds of hitting the pillow, even though I felt the stimulation alongside the relatively mild effects of the 1mg etizolam. I woke rested at 7, went back to sleep, then woke easily at 8am. There was no afterglow, but I felt fine.
Overview:
I was too altered to keep good notes during this experience. Writing put me in an undesirable state, so I was unwilling to keep the kind of notes that I needed to truly capture the experience. The post-peak or plateau part of the experience (no clear boundary) was one marked by a youthful ease. When I was doing something, I could ease into it and enjoy it fully, although my body was often rather squirmy. When I was between activities, I was occasionally restless and confused. The comeup was pretty strongly muntering and confusing for both of is, only noticed when I reached the peak. My friend said that he'd enjoy this again maybe once or twice a year at a dose of about 1mg, as a way of forcing himself to appreciate what he's doing and live in the moment rather than be preoccupied with the days to come. It was the perfect strong experience to prevent him from ruining his second-to-last day of vacation by dreading the coming Monday, so much so that the following day he was still able to live in the moment and not dread it. It did not challenge him in a cognitive way, but was still strong enough to stretch out time and allow him to experience the moment. I'm dubious about low doses, thinking that it may fall in the PEA. In many ways, the experience reminded me of mescaline, strangely. Probably because it was a long, stable PEA experience (although still a lot shorter than mescaline.) It just didn't have a lot of empathy or clarity or spirituality or insight to it--mind you, I've been taking a lot of psychedelics this year, so that should be factored in. It also reminded me pretty strongly of 2C-B, but without 2C-B's unique flair. This time, I feel like DOC showed off more than the previous time, although mostly in the form of nodding off into a land of stunningly colored visuals, with nothing to really bring back. It certainly was impressive...in a way. I just don't know who this would be appealing to or for what purpose...maybe people wanting to get properly muntered at a festival? That doesn't appeal to me. For my friend, I think it also was an archetypal psychedelic, "kind of meh", "just kind of there" (something he seems to have developed an appreciation for by the end. It's too strong for the inexperienced given it's duration, I feel, but unlikely to be appreciated by the experienced potentially, but everyone's different. The lack of pushiness seems like a virtue, but I couldn't take much back from it. I just hope the one central antidepressant lesson sticks, but color me skeptical. Part of me wonders what it would be like vape-titrated, maybe allowing for better management of the stimulation, but I doubt it.
Addendum:
The following week would already have been much better than usual, so I initially thought that the feelings of positivity and joie de vivre could be attributed to that. The next week should have been even more positive, but I could feel the afterglow fading. It appears that there was a strong afterglow for ten days, leaving me not feeling more connected, in touch empathetic, or spiritual. Instead, I just felt more myself, happy, upbeat, and it felt entirely natural and organic, not like residual drug effects. The same was true for my friend for about the same length of time. I almost wonder if this antidepressant effect might be due to anti-inflammatory activity from the DOC - the experience itself was not deep or meaningful or offering particularly enduring insights (I forgot about the one insight I got from it until I wrote this) but the life enhancing qualities of it were pronounced. I wonder if these effects would be present from microdosing, if nanomolar concentrations might not be active (even if not as potent as DOI is said to be.) I doubt it based on the limited empirical evidence I was able to find, but it seems like it could be worth investigating. Still, I doubt I will.
Post-script:
It's been three months or so since the experience, and the re-envisioning of myself as a younger, more vigorous person has stuck, and I've channeled that energy into developing healthier habits (like getting out socially, eating better, focusing on research interests, meditating, and exercising regularly,) as well as eliminating less-healthy ones (like compulsive mobile gaming and Facebook refreshing.) None of this seems too connected to insights from the experience, but I'm not one to complain. While this report isn't exactly glowing, I now look back on the experience more favorably after seeing the positive changes in my life that followed from it.
Tagged by Xorkoth
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substancecode_amphetamines
substancecode_phenethylamines
explevel_secondtime
exptype_positive
exptype_bodyload
exptype_difficult
roacode_oral
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I started a log of titrating up by doubling the dose, starting at 1mg. There are reports in literature of 40mg doses producing a simple, non-psychedelic stimulation. I never felt anything above placebo and I went up to 4mg. Never got back to it after I found some not promising reports. I mainly just got DOF for the sake of being a shameless collector. I've got DOB, DOC, DOET, DOF, DOI, DOiP, DOM and DOPr. And I've tried DOT once but the rest of it degraded in solution. I would really like to get my hands on DOEF, and DOTFM, and DON sounds nice.