apocalypse_when
Bluelighter
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LMAO!! Hope you're not expressing free thought and humour there Mr. FUBAR... Cos I just won't stand for that
You know fine well this isn't the place for that
LMAO!! Hope you're not expressing free thought and humour there Mr. FUBAR... Cos I just won't stand for that
You know fine well this isn't the place for that
No mate, that was a selfie...
Pah, you wish
Yeh, I certainly wish I had that much hair again
Off topic? Is that even a thing..?
How the fuck did OTW get dredged up? And where is the fucker anyway?
OTW is a mate of mine, he saved my life once.
He is a great guy and calls bullshit when he smells it.
FUBAR said:- in spite of his envious lifestyle and his totally fuckable missus.
Cunt!
Shambles said:Raas said:posts are intended to be positive and relative in some way. If it came across as negative and unhelpful, then that goes against my intention
Maybe keep working on that then, eh?
...... And life and death are but a hair's breadth apart. Probably because there is no discernible difference between 'em aside from breathing more often than not. I don't believe in gods - never have - have openly mocked the very concept since early childhood. I am alive. I still do not believe in gods.
Some folks I have known did believe in 'em. Some did not. An approximately even balance of them are currently dead and alive. Some of both groups may well have given a shit which camp they fell into. Still no perceivable difference.
I have close friends and family members who are in the "dead and no fucks given" category. Are they now in Hell? Forevermore? I also have close friends and family members who are in the "dead and fucks given cos they believe in such things" category. Are they too in Hell? or maybe in Heaven looking down at their friends now lost to eternal damnation? If that latter group does exist are they now happy? How so given the former group?
There seem to be so many variants of "redemption" from the religious, quasi-religious to the secular, and these divide into many other froms and so on and so forth...
I have trouble with the idea, my main problem is "redemption in face of the unpardonable" as my brain is wired in a fucked way (OCD). But let's discuss this a little further, because I want to add a few things to my initial statement that you haven't (except for Shambles and other mods) seen.
Redemption in face of God (in a semitic sense at least), I guess is something not worth talking about because the idea of "forgiveness" lies in the hand of "God" but maybe one could elaborate on "paths to attaining redemption" whether one basis this on scripture, or on opinion (popular or not). There are set rules that come with God, we seem to be born into a lot of this, and some of it comes down to the discretion of the observer (which again is shaped by the conception of God, forming a socially constructed loop) which can perpetuate a certain sense of "redemption" that belongs to a certain religion, sect etc. which again kinda points us back to us choosing a path LOL almost like free-will. You can choose a religion-in a sense- and choose a path to redemption.
I'm more concerned with the secular aspect of this, even though it isn't very different than the religious one, mainly because I think there's more "choice" involved and it's more personal... actually it's deeply personal. Is it about coming to terms with what one has done in life? If so, is it about accepting this and moving on to better one's self? Or is about forgiving one's self? And if the main concern is to "learn from one's mistakes", and to not repeat these mistakes (at least to the severity of the previous ones) how much of this should involve "being OK with the things I have done."? Does the sense of "redemption" have to come with a price? And what am I actually trying to do here, am I trying to impose my own sense of morality on making something "OK" for myself? or coming to terms "on my own terms"? So I can feel ok? Is it a deeply ego-centric pursuit, no matter what, to make one feel "ok" or can it be a noble pursuit?
It all seems to point back at the person seeking redemption, it's at their discretion and not at the same time. If they allow it to happen, it happens, and if they don't, it doesn't. Why/ why not, is deeply personal. I think psychedelics are pretty cool in this aspect, they can shift our understanding of a situation not only "how we think about it" but how we feel about it, too (they aren't mutually exclusive).
I like your style, man. Start a thread with no obvious meaning. Let people make their own minds up, then pounce hard on the subject a month later! Good work.
I guess redemption is a very personal matter. If something is important to you, it will fester in your psyche and manifest itself in some way or another. How you deal with it and how you let it affect you, is upto you alone.
I like your style, man. Start a thread with no obvious meaning. Let people make their own minds up, then pounce hard on the subject a month later! Good work.
The need for redemption arises from the guilt one feels for one's mistakes in the past.
Logically, there is no point in feeling guilt as there is nothing you can do to change the past - but you can learn from your mistakes and use this knowledge to hopefully become a better person in the future.
If you have no guilt, there is no need for redemption...
(Unless you're a fuckin serial killer peadophile rapist, then you can fester in your guilt for eternity - and there is no redemption for you!!)