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Redemption

^ You appear to be new to EADD... :sus:;)

It did (and kinda still does... if you have local mod eyes) have an OP with an actual question. The current version of the OP suggests that religious interpretations and discussions were not what they intended and didn't wish to go down that route. At least that is my interpretation.

Personally, I think a discussion of the concept of redemption without resorting to religious sentiments is an interesting idea and one worth pursuing. I'm sure there are many who regret certain decisions, actions, behaviour patterns and the like who may have a desire for some form of non-religious sense of redemption. In all honesty, the topic is universal enough to not really require much in the way of specifics unless anybody wishes to add personal stories.

Cheers, that was pretty good Shambles.
 
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Just ignore FUBAR, folks. When the thread topic gets a bit sophisticated, he gets a little overwhelmed. Way out of his comfort zone talking about shitting in hedges, avocado's or peoples bollocks.

Excellent work also, Shambles. Upload a picture of your gravity-defying bollocks in another thread. That will keep him occupied for a long time. I see what you did there. Impressive.






lol, no-one used the word "personal". You've swapped the words around to suit your answer! There's a huge difference between a personal potential and a spiritual potential:


Check this out. Being a bit martial arty farty myself years ago, always admired those Shaolin monks. They're spritual, but don't sit on their arses all day meditating... actually express their spirituality in physical form through training which to us seems insane. Some of the stunts these mere children can perform are mindblowing...

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Now check out this awesomeness. This is a middle-aged woman, who still hasn't got over her childhood crushes on deviant characters like Marmalade Atkins and CatWoman... and thinks she knows too much to be concerned with any religious texts or beliefs...


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Nice move with the diet crush btw. I found on alcohol binges i'd always put on weight quickly. I put this down to the alcohol interfering with the metabolism, but actually i've realised it's all the sugar in the mixers and cider that is causing the insulin rises and weight gain. Anyway....

Can you spot the difference? Between the spiritual and spiritual-less?




To your credit though. As far as "personal" development goes... that is, self-development.... integrating with others, being able to listen to others, understand each others concerns, being empathetic and sensitive to each others needs... you have to be one of the most developed persons i have ever met. Far, far more than myself... who constantly gets it wrong, employs the wrong tact, upsets people without realising and has to be reprimanded time and time again for it... And you should be very proud of that, because there is a lot of grown-up, apparently "successful" individuals, who do not have those qualities at all *cough...OTW... cough cough...*

Personality wise, you're very much like Shambles. Highly, highly empathetic and sensitive to the needs of others, way more than the average person.... but your spiritual side is comparable to something like a boiled spud.


You've only 'seen' a 5% 3% ickle smidge o' me thus far. I'm closer to OTW than I am Shambles.

I'm a truth seeker first and foremost ... that's what my spiritual backbone is made of .... and after the truth comes love. It's a very close 2nd mind.

I had a great teacher.

Here ... 'ave some for free. I've got a never-ending supply of the stuff.

 
Play the track Rasmina*. Feel my love from across thee internerd <3






* that was the name of my Dad's last boat btw. before it got scrapped.
 
Triple posting for the win!

How do I get my forum name changed? This one fucking irritates me everytime I see it. Great song/title but shite moniker.

YES THEESE THINGS MATTER <3
 
You've only 'seen' a 5% 3% ickle smidge o' me thus far. I'm closer to OTW than I am Shambles.

I'm a truth seeker first and foremost ... that's what my spiritual backbone is made of .... and after the truth comes love. It's a very close 2nd mind.

I had a great teacher.

Here ... 'ave some for free. I've got a never-ending supply of the stuff.



Play the track Rasmina*. Feel my love from across thee internerd <3






* that was the name of my Dad's last boat btw. before it got scrapped.

You have got to be... The strangest person, I have ever met in my life.

And i'm mates with E...
 
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You have got to be... The strangest person, I have ever met in my life.

And i'm mates with Evey.... [Yes we're e-mailing each other. She's lost a lot of weight y'know and got some new tattoo's to show... If you're lucky i might just get permission to show 'em off ;)]

How the fuck did Evey get dragged into this again? And if you're truly 'mates' with her, why are you discussing her weight and tattoos (which are highly personal) on a drug forum?
 
^ Might've been a bit vodka induced. I slipped up again grrr but got Login excited so works out...

Cheers, that was pretty good Shambles.

Hey long time no see. You made the topic, but are of few words. Seemingly a few things on your mind, care to share...?
 
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^ Yeah, was bad last night. At least you're not religious. You don't have to wake up in the morning and go "Lord, I repent for drinking too much... and also getting excited over Shambles's bollocks and bashing one out". It's a very humiliating procedure.

Anyways, point made earlier was very real. Don't care how well intended or smart you are... if you don't have the spirit, you can't impress those qualities on the world so well.

...i'll leave you guys to it now else i'll bog this down with more bollox... gonna redeem myself now by quitting the drink for a bit, until i feel good enough in myself to start again :|:sus:
 
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^ Mate, I'd be repenting to the nearest god I could find if I caught myself knocking one out to Shambo's bollocks... =D
 
Triple posting for the win!

How do I get my forum name changed? This one fucking irritates me everytime I see it. Great song/title but shite moniker.

YES THEESE THINGS MATTER <3

Hate to say it but it'll cost ya, missus. Only way to change your username is to contact the admin email and pay a fee. Alternatively you can do it for free by just starting a new account and letting staff know who you are. The informing of staff bit is mostly a courtesy/formality but does matter if somebody has previous infractions. I'm fairly sure you don't but worth mentioning cos this question comes up a lot and the above is the long and short of it.

Personality wise, you're very much like Shambles. Highly, highly empathetic and sensitive to the needs of others, way more than the average person.... but your spiritual side is comparable to something like a boiled spud.

See this is one of the big problems with "spirituality" - it's entirely subjective. One man's spiritual monks are another man's cynical tourist trap. One man's drunken ramblings are another man's nuggets of pure spiritual gold (I can think of many authours who fit this bill). And plenty of drunken ramblings are that and that alone. All subjective, innit.

I have no interest in "spirituality" because I could define it a million ways and be highly spiritual in half of those definitions and utterly spudly in t'other. This makes it an essentially meaningless concept outside of the narrow reference frames of people who have prior agreement on a particular definition.

However, that does not mean that many traits found in some forms of broadly-defiined "spiritual" belief systems are not valid and desirable for most people. Personal growth is just that - personal. The changes I see in myself (and others, of course, but that is just my outside opinion so of limited relevance) may go completely unnoticed by others. That does not make them invalid.

Do you judge the one monk who takes 100 twats to the noggin differently from the one who takes 101? Or do you simply accept that these people chose to be twatted about the noggin and achieved that? Both made decisions to act a certain way they felt benefitted their personal growth - does the quantative difference in their result matter to the qualiatative intent?

Just like other people make personal decisions they perceive as a step towards their overall growth as a human being and then act upon them - even if you are comepletely unaware of what those decisions and actions were.
 
See this is one of the big problems with "spirituality" - it's entirely subjective. One man's spiritual monks are another man's cynical tourist trap. One man's drunken ramblings are another man's nuggets of pure spiritual gold (I can think of many authours who fit this bill). And plenty of drunken ramblings are that and that alone. All subjective, innit.

I have no interest in "spirituality" because I could define it a million ways and be highly spiritual in half of those definitions and utterly spudly in t'other. This makes it an essentially meaningless concept outside of the narrow reference frames of people who have prior agreement on a particular definition.

Yes good point, it can be a very loose term.

In terms of spirituality, I'm referring literally to the spirit of the person. No fancy crap. Sometimes you can tell just by looking at a person what their spirituality is like.


If you have a good spirituality, you tend to be quite happy and positive inside. Have goals and aspirations. You tend to regard your health more, as good health and strength is needed to put these goals into fruition. You tend to be repelled by drugs, drink and habits like smoking, as they'll interfere with your energy and hinder your aims.

You tend to eat well and source good food.

If you're a really hot scholar, you start drinking green tea, chamomile tea or rooibos tea instead of caffeinated drinks.

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If you have a bad spirituality there's likely aspects in your life you are unhappy with, or things that have made you angry.

Daily drinking or smoking is a sure sign of a very bad spirituality. You tend to be less motivated. Feel like drinking a strong coffee or tea in the morning to get you going. And continue caffeinated drinks or high sugar products to help you through the day.

You'll enjoy drugs and drink more and find it hard to stay away from them. Likely looking forward to some kind of a night cap.


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If you have a really bad spirituality . Things in life have left you very angry or disappointed.

You can't get through a day without drugs or drink. You likely rely on energising products to get you through the day like caffeine, sugar. Diet is very bad. Either over-eating or not eating properly. Tend to be more attracted by junk food. You may be physically significantly overweight or underweight.

You have many suicidal thoughts. And are frequently plotting in your mind how you can end it and the best ways to do it.

Tend to swear and curse a lot.

Be more susceptible to porn / unhealthy sexual desires and justify them that life is shit so it doesn't matter

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Important thing to remember, is life throws spiritual disturbances and abuse at us from all angles. Sometimes the most beautiful people face the greatest abuse. If you "got shit", you're gonna create more fuss. So if you have a bad spirituality it says nothing about what kind of a person you are.

Past year i've yoyo'd through the good and bad quite a lot. I usually get a good momentum going, until something comes a long and pisses me off! Then it's heavy drink for a little while... But when it affects my health and mentality, it scares me because there's still a lot i want to achieve in my life... so i yoyo back sharply to the positive and healthy....until something comes along and pisses me off again! Im on a good spate at the moment... let's see how long it lasts.
 
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So that'll be another entirely subjective - and frankly downright judgemental - list of items thrown together in three arbitrary categories then will it? My how you surprise with your ever-evolving created once and once only worldview 8);)

All digs aside though, that list of traits is just plain bizarre. You essentially seem to be listing things you do and don't like. Where the fuck is rooibos mentioned in any "spiritual" belief system anywhere?

I honestly think it's this kind of rampant bullshittery that puts people off most from getting involved with people who describe themselves as "spiritual". On the one hand you make sweeping judgements about people whilst on the other you make even more sweeping judgements about people. How do you think this could possibly be helpful to anybody?

That aside, this thread is supposed to be on the topic of redemption not random collections of lifestyle tips. I know plenty of people who have issues in their past that they have real trouble processing and moving on from. Changing their taste in tea is probably unlikely to be of much use to them. What's required, in my humble, is forgiveness. And the only one who can give that is themselves. That is the truly difficult step to take.

I don't mean just ignoring issues - some of us have done truly horrible things for any number of reasons - and true redemption is in no way compatible with simply ignoring those facts. It can only come from acknowledging them and making efforts to cut that shit out as soon as much as is possible in the given situation. Ideally making amends in some way, shape or form whether directly or indirectly. In short, just being the best person you can be and not getting caught up in guilt trips over things past but maybe not yet passed.

tl;dr: Drink whatever you like, eat whatever you like, exercise as much or as little as you like, just try to be less of a dick and work towards anti-dickery as far as is possible. Really not that complicated and has no need whatsoever for "spiritual" overlays. If that stuff happens to help any given person then feel free... but it is an active detriment to others and I feel that needs to be understood by proponents of "spirituality" in all forms. There are other ways. They may or may not involve non-standard teabaggery.
 
So that'll be another entirely subjective - and frankly downright judgemental - list of items thrown together in three arbitrary categories then will it?

That's the dealio, my friend. Human spirituality can go in either direction, positively or negatively. And each way, attracts different desires. Being in tune with the beauty outside of this world however... or "faith", can give you joy, hope and confidence that anything is possible... and that inspires great, or "renewed" spirituality. Nothing original here. It's no new concept. Just been taught for thousands of years.

Have pointed out that no matter what state your spirituality is in, or what you believe, in no way reflects the person. We're all on different paths, with different experiences and outcomes. If i've come across judgemental in anyway, then major apologies.




Happy birthday also, man.


Here. This is for you:

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When I find faith in humanity it does give me joy, hope, confidence and happiness. It is out there.

The kindness of humanity gives me hope. I have no need in believing in gods. I have a need to see the good in my fellow humans.

Failing that there's always cats ;) ❤️


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So that'll be another entirely subjective - and frankly downright judgemental - list of items thrown together in three arbitrary categories then will it? My how you surprise with your ever-evolving created once and once only worldview 8);)

I honestly think it's this kind of rampant bullshittery that puts people off most from getting involved with people who describe themselves as "spiritual". On the one hand you make sweeping judgements about people whilst on the other you make even more sweeping judgements about people. How do you think this could possibly be helpful to anybody?

Hey. as my previous response was shite i'll just address this:

My druggie days are far, far gone. So any philosophical rambling is the best i got here! If i fail there then there's no real point... My views are quite polarised from many here, but because of the qualities seen in a lot of posters over the years that makes me keen to discuss. If i thought the forum were full of druggie losers, i wouldn't waste my time typing! But EADD does attract some decent HR orientated folk. So posts are intended to be positive and relative in some way. If it came across as negative and unhelpful, then that goes against my intention.

Point i was trying to make then... if you have a negative set of beliefs (Denying the beauty from above), it tends to open way for the bad things in life. You're a staunch atheist who had a 20 year crack addiction! You must know what i mean here. So ones belief system is not just a fun guessing game of who's right or wrong. It can even be about life and death.

Of course you don't want me probing into your bad habits and making judgements lol, i didn't mean it like that. And thanks for the criticism


And wasn't this thread meant to be about redemption anyway? Am i de-railing it with more of my bollocks lol... Oh well the OP never posted, so someone had to pad it out


When I find faith in humanity it does give me joy, hope, confidence and happiness. It is out there.

The kindness of humanity gives me hope. I have no need in believing in gods. I have a need to see the good in my fellow humans.

Failing that there's always cats ;) ??

That's utter rubbish. Because i've spoken to you a few times offsite and won't betray your confidence by quoting you, but if you think you have the contentedness, happiness and security of a strong spiritual person then you are seriously kidding yourself. Fellow humans can be great and uplifting but if you're not clued up with the above, your gonna face a long hard path to the end. And good luck after that...

Anyway im filling the forum up with preachy shit again. Apologies. I'll go crawl back to where i came from. Goodbye :(
 
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Hey. as my previous response was shite i'll just address this:

My druggie days are far, far gone. So any philosophical rambling is the best i got here! If i fail there then there's no real point... My views are quite polarised from many here, but because of the qualities seen in a lot of posters over the years that makes me keen to discuss. If i thought the forum were full of druggie losers, i wouldn't waste my time typing! But EADD does attract a few decent HR orientated folk. So posts are intended to be positive and relative in some way. If it came across as negative and unhelpful, then that goes against my intention.

Point i was trying to make then... if you have a negative set of beliefs (Denying the beauty from above), it tends to open way for the bad things in life. You're a staunch atheist who had a 20 year crack addiction! You must know what i mean here. So ones belief system is not just a fun guessing game of who's right or wrong. It can even be about life and death.

Of course you don't want me probing into your bad habits and making judgements lol, i didn't mean it like that. And thanks for the criticism


And wasn't this thread meant to be about redemption anyway? Am i de-railing it with more of my bollocks lol...well the OP never posted so someone had to pad it out




That's utter rubbish. Because i've spoken to you a few times offsite and won't betray your confidence by quoting you, but if you think you have the contentedness, happiness and security of a strong spiritual person then you are seriously kidding yourself. Fellow humans can be great and uplifting but if you're not clued up with the above, your gonna face a long hard path to the end. And then probably go to a worse place.


Anyway im filling the forum up with preachy shit again. Apologies. I'll go crawl back to where i came from. Goodbye :(

Gonna call you out on this one fella...

You say your "druggie days are far, far gone". However, it is obvious that you still partake of the alcoholic beverages. Is alcohol not a drug? Why is it morally superior to get shitfaced on booze rather than many other more benign substances? Is it because it is legal? Socially acceptable? Mentioned in the Bible? Passed round in church pretending to be the blood of Christ? ('ere, have some of this cocaine, it's the dandruff of Christ). C'mon pal, from one piss artist to another, show me the fuckin difference...
 
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Raas, I'll call you on that. I've never been religious. I've admitted that people don't know what's out there. There may be a god but I highly doubt it. At one point in my life I would have described myself as agnostic. Now, I no longer care. I don't see anything that leads me to believe that there is a god. I've taken the good bits from various religions to try and better myself. I'd like to put my faith in humanity but the more I see of it the less good I see in people. So many people are just down right nasty. Why? Does it make them happy to bring misery to others. To be so negative? You'd think so.

Sometimes, I get to glimpse the good in people. The kindness they exude in small ways. The various good deeds carried out.

I'd hope that over the years people do grow and change. Sometimes that means their beliefs change over time too. Hopefully in a positive way.


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