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    Couldn't find a thread just for general music discussion in the Music Discussion sub-forum so here we are.

    Review an album, tell us about a gig or festival, share your thoughts on the evolution of reggae or the current state of rap, or just kick back, break out the ukulele and chill.

    .. which is exactly what I'm doing tonight ��
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    I've been finding EDM events I attend bland and standoffish. The only times I had peak experiences at such place were at hole in the wall places that have since been shutdown for serving beer till 5am and allowing ket/blow to be done in the bathrooms lol.
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    I've always much preferred outdoor events than nightclubs and the likes. I don't know if it's the dress code or the spilled drinks or the surly bouncers, but it's only been on rare occasions that I've had truly epic times at indoor events.

    Bush doofs (Australian moon speak for raves out in the middle of nowhere) are always good times though.
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    Although, Orbital are touring in February so I might have to check that out, wherever it's at. Probably won't ever get another chance.
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    Here's a question for y'all: one of my friends was telling me the other day that most recent pop music (as in mainstream 'popular' but any genre) is, basically, ephemeral rubbish, and that nobody is going to remember either the songs or top-streaming artists a few years down the road.

    I kind of agree with the idea that we seem to have more of an ADHD culture in this social-media age, in which few artists seem to have much staying power. However, I'm not sure if the music is actually any worse than in previous generations, or if this is just the attitude one tends to take as they age and think all modern stuff is rubbish?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CFC View Post
    Here's a question for y'all: one of my friends was telling me the other day that most recent pop music (as in mainstream 'popular' but any genre) is, basically, ephemeral rubbish, and that nobody is going to remember either the songs or top-streaming artists a few years down the road.
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    I kind of agree with the idea that we seem to have more of an ADHD culture in this social-media age, in which few artists seem to have much staying power. However, I'm not sure if the music is actually any worse than in previous generations, or if this is just the attitude one tends to take as they age and think all modern stuff is rubbish?
    There is great music still being put out every day. The culture around it has changed considerably in the last 20 years. It is highly subjective.
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    It's certainly become more commercialised, but a lot of people would have said the same about the 90's, which people who grew up in tend to consider to be a golden era.

    I think it's mostly this:

    There's a 'magic age' when you find your musical taste, according to science

    Every human has a "critical period" for language development, a time in their lives when they can easily assimilate a new tongue. And just as there's a critical period for learning a language, so too is there a critical period for learning your musical tastes: It starts at 14 and peaks at 24.

    "Fourteen is a sort of magic age for the development of musical tastes," Daniel J. Levitin, a professor of psychology and the director of the Laboratory for Music Perception, Cognition and Expertise at McGill University, told the New York Times. "Pubertal growth hormones make everything we're experiencing, including music, seem very important. We're just reaching a point in our cognitive development when we're developing our own tastes. And musical tastes become a badge of identity."

    The music 14-year-olds listen to helps them define the boundaries of themselves and their friend groups. Scientists have actually drawn up quantitative measures that can anticipate an individual's musical preferences based on their personality traits. Peter J. Rentfrow and Samuel D. Gosling from University of Texas at Austin have found, for example, that those with more rebellious natures and higher degrees of "self-perceived intelligence" gather around the irreverent aggression of groups like the Dead Kennedys or Death Grips. More agreeable, social and attractive people tend latch onto more popular styles with wide appeal, like Madonna, as the research mentions, or a more modern-day equivalent like Jessie J, Ariana Grande or Nicki Minaj.

    The hormonal impetus of puberty sets children down a path of rich musical discovery, guided by their personality and social needs, which deepen and complicate until about age 24, when they reach the peak of musical taste acquisition. Individuals tend to be most open-minded and accepting around this age. They're also being exposed to the widest range of musical influences, meeting people from diverse backgrounds on college campuses or at their work. The music that people consume during this age takes on a "special resonance." Elderly people are more likely to express admiration for music that they heard in their 20s over music they heard earlier or later in life. After 24, people stop acquiring as much new music, or if they do, they do not report as much preference or pleasure from it.

    Part of the reason for this gradually decreasing pleasure is structural. Starting at 24 or 25, people's ears begin to lose sensitivity to higher pitches and become less adept at detecting small changes in pitch. Therefore, all the music that people are introduced to during this period sounds just a little less vibrant than did the music they heard during the peaks of their lives. Music heard at 19-24 also gets encoded with all sorts of glorious memories from when people are in the primes of their lives, feeling free and accumulating their first truly meaningful sexual, creative and professional experiences. That's one of the many reasons parents through the ages have hated their children's music.

    But the biggest reason we stop accumulating new musical preferences after 24 is that people's personalities start to firm up. People become sure of their identities and stop seeking to challenge them. Their friend groups begin to solidify, and since our musical tastes are influenced tremendously by the people around us, when our social circles become static, so too do our musical preferences.

    So listen carefully to the music you're enamored with now. Whether it's that new FKA Twigs or Iggy Azalea's host of summer bangers, surround yourself with good people and good music — they will be with you the rest of your life.
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    am i the only one here that thinks pop music is gettin better ?

    on the edm event topic, haven't been to one in ages. i dunno artist i'd wanna see don't really do much shows here. BUT like i'm so down to see some big pop stars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CFC View Post
    Here's a question for y'all: one of my friends was telling me the other day that most recent pop music (as in mainstream 'popular' but any genre) is, basically, ephemeral rubbish, and that nobody is going to remember either the songs or top-streaming artists a few years down the road.

    I kind of agree with the idea that we seem to have more of an ADHD culture in this social-media age, in which few artists seem to have much staying power. However, I'm not sure if the music is actually any worse than in previous generations, or if this is just the attitude one tends to take as they age and think all modern stuff is rubbish?
    I don't believe that the creation of timeless music has or will come to an end, it may be that much of the mega popular music of today will fade out, while other music from this era - music which never reached the heights in its' own time - may develop a following later on that transcends the generations.

    Will Taylor Swift and Kendrick Lamar have their music played by anyone in 2218? I wouldn't imagine so.. and it is difficult/impossible to predict what kind of music from this era will still be listened to by these future people.

    I'd like to think that some of the deep psychedelic electronic and rock music of modern times will be listened to and appreciated by future generations. Some of that stuff is quite complex and multi-layered.

    I'm not sure if that's even close to a rational response to anything you said CFC, I tend to ramble on Saturday nights for some strange reason lol


    Tl;Dr - What music of the past 30 years do you believe / would like to believe will live on for many generations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTheStoner View Post
    am i the only one here that thinks pop music is gettin better ?

    on the edm event topic, haven't been to one in ages. i dunno artist i'd wanna see don't really do much shows here. BUT like i'm so down to see some big pop stars.
    The production is way better than before, for sure, Joe. I only wish I had your enthusism about it, my mang but I don;t I miss the idiosynchrocies that arent totally contived; just partially; a bit of balance like is needed - some deviant input from the artists( and respect to their genuine talent/skill), tis all. Ya get?

    For eg. along the lines of this production. Superficial; check Human condition: check Artists own input/representation; check. Artistic bridge between paradigms; check.
    Personally, I thing its a pretty good-working, comprimise, of a composition.

    ...BUT it's got the flair of communicating a message to the masses ( and not just a target audience) It's a message that reaches people; a spiritual one - and that HAS to come from the artist and depends on what they have to offer i.e if they have integrated themselves into their work authentically. Authenticity cant be feigned - the masses love it or hate it but it CANT be feigned.
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    Between his awful singing, awful telethon moments and awful award-show moments, there's a case for Kanye West's personal inclusion on this list. Instead, we'll simply blame him for repopularizing the most awful sunglasses ever. A trend in the '80s, these slatted sunglasses were dead and buried until West sported them in his 2007 music video for "Stronger," introducing a new generation of style morons to an utterly pointless and functionless accessory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asclepius View Post
    The production is way better than before, for sure, Joe. I only wish I had your enthusism about it, my mang but I don;t I miss the idiosynchrocies that arent totally contived; just partially; a bit of balance like is needed - some deviant input from the artists( and respect to their genuine talent/skill), tis all. Ya get?

    For eg. along the lines of this production. Superficial; check Human condition: check Artists own input/representation; check. Artistic bridge between paradigms; check.
    Personally, I thing its a pretty good-working, comprimise, of a composition.

    ...BUT it's got the flair of communicating a message to the masses ( and not just a target audience) It's a message that reaches people; a spiritual one - and that HAS to come from the artist and depends on what they have to offer i.e if they have integrated themselves into their work authentically. Authenticity cant be feigned - the masses love it or hate it but it CANT be feigned.
    i get what you are saying about it being contrived and authenticity not being fake.i dunno why the pop today that stuff that you could say follows a formula really does it for me. /me shrugs.
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