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Recovery IV FENTANYL DETOX(long post)

PO and 10, I just wanted you both to know how wonderful you both are, both of you are so kind and giving of yourselves, despite living a life touched by chronic pain. So glad you're both here. Gives me some comfort knowing you both relate to the misery I go through on a daily basis. I am here for you both anytime and send love and support to you.

Trip, how was your day today? Thinking of you my dear friend.

Hugs,
Ash.
 
Thanks JD. I guess I have to find someone willing to have a bit of distance between us. These NA guys are great, and they just want the best chance of success for me I guess, which means nearby sponsor and 90 meetings in 90 days. Unfortunately I can't do all that driving cause it causes big time pain for me. Tonight I was planning on going to a meeting, but a childhood friend wanted to see a movie. I chose the movie over the meeting because I have 2 inpatient groups, 1 private, and 2 definite meetings I go to so far.

I would understand if I was itching to use, but after 2 weeks of absolute hell, and almost of 2 weeks of physical and mental recovery, I needed a break. I know for how green I am it wouldbe a huge no-no in for NA, but everybody's different. Doesn't mean I'm not going to group in the morning or committed to my recovery. After all I'm completely voluntary for all of it. Nothing is making me go aside from me. Thanks again, i'll ask one of.those sick fuckers at the Friday meeting to sponsor me.

Hey Ash, in pain now but my day was great. Pushing myself more and more at the gym, most of the WD symptoms are gone aside from some bone and stomach pain. Got my labs back and my blood is normal. Waited over 3 weeks from last use, and the only time someone other than myself handled my needle (set it up for me, not shared) was 5 months ago. i'm negative on all the Heps and HIV, which I was verrrry secretly worried about. Had I made a left instead of a right, who knows? I really feel for those who screen positive after a run like I had.

Once again, the scariest detox I've ever had. My veins seem to be in state if limbo.and since I've been working out so hard I've noticed "vein pain" in 2 areas post workout. Seems to be a painful rejuvenation as the bothersome dark colored area seems to be shrinking...
(I really hope some people read this and see what this shit does to you)

Saw an old friend and then stopped at the bar I worked and hung out with the bartender who's a good friend and a few regulars for 2 hours.Had a good time just fucking around with them. Having a drink didn't even cross my mind.
Hope all is well on your end!
Trip
 
Aihfl, thank you. Yea I'm originally NYC based, although I live a few hours away, so I can probably look one up when visiting a friend. Actually going back on Monday to bring a hesitant friend who stopped drinking (heavy alcoholic), along with me to an NA, so he see can see.how it works. Thanks for the info, had no clue!

10 years, yes nobody should be going to Kensington alone, ESPECIALLY a woman!!! Making me nervous just thinking about it. God I've never seen so many cops respond to calls. It reminds me of a post apocalyptic 80's movie... or maybe Detroit in the 80's.

Uggg your post is giving me chills. I can't imagine having to kick Philly dope in a jail cell. I was treated like shit at the detox center, and even by some (especially in the beginning) in the Psych Ward. I overheard a nurse complaining about why they have a "2 dollar Hero" (not as in Superman, as in Heroin without the "in").

Pretty certain the theory is to teach dopeheads a 2, and if you have good insurance, 3 day lesson, and kick them out of the door on sub maintenance. I can't fucking imagine what that was like in jail. Did they just put you in concrete room and come in with a firehose every other day??

The place that a therapist and many others out here were pushing was called the Carin or Cairn foundation, not sure I only heard it. 1 in PA, 1 in FL. Thank god I didn't go.and have a 60,000 dollar debt for doing what the hospital did for me for a copayment. Most of these places are scams, have super high relapse rates, and prey on families' despair.

I was talking to someone while waiting in outpatient and he went there because his addiction dr. was urging him and his family and got him 10,000 dollar discount. My psych at the time was really pushing it, like there were no other options whatsoever. He spoke with my family and said he could get us a discount. I swear the corruption is so gross. These guys are 100 percent getting referral fees.

Both the person I spoke to and his family deeply regretted going there. From what I was told, addiction wasn't treated, nor was mental health, or any physical issue. They fucking used barbituates to get him off xanax!!! Then placed him in a horror show of a sober house. People shooting and selling he told me, and the owner didnt give a shit.

Anyway, it seems that in my case and yours, going the more difficult, non Malibu Passages route is what is actually needed.

Speak with a GOOD doctor and check online. I don't think both Pregabilin and Gabapentin should be taken at the same time. It's like being on Lexapro and Zoloft, you might be.doing more harm than good, and one might work just fine on its own. If we can do dope properly, we can at least do Lyrica right lol.

Quell: some swear by it, others find it useless. 6 months ago I wore it for 2 weeks and left it in drawer. Put it back on after hospital and it stopped my unhealthy self harm during Fibro flare ups (i swear i would have ended up cutting). Inflicting pain without hurting myself was the only relief I could get from the full body pain.

For me, the Quell, at the very least, seems to be a healthy way of doing just that. I wrap it under knee and put it on full blast. So it's definitely a distraction, and maybe stimulating the nerves so the brain releases some of that natural dope lol. Doesn't come close the temporary pain relief I get from working out though.
NA and clinics should focus a bit more on the physical side methinks...

Painful one
It does not sound at all like you're an addict. I just said in another thread, being physically dependent and being an addict are two seperate entities. I became physically dependant, then after some years, became an addict and was eventually spending every dollar I made and injecting ungodly amounts of dope.

Although it's smart to have your meds controlled like that, and I cannot believe you've maintained meds like this for such a long time, it's awful on the mind to suffer for so long. I know all too well and I'm not close to your levels.

Your family is ignorant to the matter, so don't listen to them. Only you know the pain you're in and if they had to live a week in our bodies, they'd understand. I remember how scared my ex fiance (notice the "EX") and parents were from watching vomit and scream from a bad migraine a few years ago. Thank god for Sumatriptan.
People aren't equipped to handle this sort of thing.

I mean 75 mgs of extended release oxy a day?? After years?? I could take 1500 mgs of instant release Oxycodone, 32 days ago and go to work fine, so you're doing great on that end after so many years.
There are better options out there, to at least help. One doctor years ago suggested a low dose of Methadone 1x a day, because he knew how dangerous being in chronic pain and using opiates was.

Have you looked into Kratom?? It's super manageable and the same dose is effective for years, and at your level, it shouldn't be too much of a tolerance difference for you. Also it's a bit of a long term project/hobby getting the strains and dosages right. It's probably the one thing keeping me positive when I feel nothing's working. It will be months before I can take it and even feel the effects (that's how severe my tolerance was), plus I'm completing the outpatient program the right way.

Pain wears you out. Maybe a chronic pain support group you can go to? This is Bluelight, and it's all about harm reduction. As someone who has struggled with suicide and had 2 or 3 legit attempts, I know that even mentioning it is a sign that you are suffering too more than you can cope with. Using more or different prescribed narcotic meds or trying Kratom is much safer than even having those thoughts lingering in the back of your head.

Peace and love. Peace and love.
Trip
 
Aaw Painful One-

I feel for you and feel your pain. Very wise to have your mom give you your meds. I know what it's like when excruciating pain hits - I would start throwing pills in my mouth. Someone that doesn't understand pain may judge that, but it's because they never experienced unbearable pain that ramps up to the point I'm instantly covered in sweat and trying not to cry. Crying makes it worse. The pain gets so intense that it's terrifying. That's where guided meditation is extremely helpful.

Don't you worry about your family judging you. It's because they don't understand. You just have to do what's best for you.

That's why the chronic pain clinic was so amazing. We all understood all the nuances of chronic pain. No explanation was necessary. Kind of like NA. You're amongst your kind. It's a relief.

You survived your overdose for a reason. Hope you're well PO.

Thank you so much for this message.
And Ash, thank you also as always!
It helps to know I am not the only one who has this horrific and very hard to understand problem.
It also makes me very sad that anyone else is going through this.
Especially you two lovely ladies. Love you so much guys!

Trip, I hope you are doing well today. I am really hoping your pain level goes down and you are able to make a full recovery.
You are doing such a great job!
You are very courageous to tell your story.
We all love you and are here for you.
No matter what!
 
Thanks for that message Trip.

My situation is ridiculous. I am pretty much a prisoner here as they will not let me drive and never offer to take me anywhere.
On the few occasions I have tried to go anywhere with them, it is a nightmare because they don't realize I can't go boating all day etc. I get too tired. Not that I am invited anymore anyway. They have labeled my mom an enabler and refuse to help either one of us.

I keep telling them that 75 mg MS Contin a day would not disable anyone to this point. They think if I would just stop taking the medication I would be fine. I tried that and ended up liver failure by way of Tylenol overdose.

I keep getting denied disability benefits so I have been out of money for the last few years. I have no way to get myself any help.

I have been here taking care of our parents through old age and horrific disease. I lost my dad to "Double Parkinson's Disease" a few years ago. Now my mom is in active heart failure. And still...they offer NO help, just criticism. They think they are giving me "tough love" lol!

Yeah, you are right about even mentioning the suicide thing. I need to get more help. I have no idea how though.
 
Trip,

Good to hear how well you're doing, so proud of you, and you write so well, I love reading your updates!! I hope you have a really good day my friend!!



PO,

I did the same thing as you EXACTLY. I voluntarily came off my rx'd medication. But then I was in chronic pain with nothing to help me, so I took A LOT of tylenol. I had access to nothing else, but it started to damage my liver. In a way I'm glad it did, it showed me that I had to go back on my medication.

The people in my life are like yours, they confuse physical dependence with addiction. They are not the same dumbasses!!!! Lol!!! ; )

Just wanted you to know that I am here for you and going through the exact same things, you are not alone, feel free to contact me anytime.

Love and support to you both,
your friend,
Ash.
 
Oh Trip it sounds like you are really doing the damn thing!!!! So very happy for your progress!!! If there is one thing that I have learned since being here is that there are wonderful people here to talk with! It helps better than anything!
 
PainfulOne I am right there with you and Ash!! And thankfully because of you guys I am coming around!

These judges have their own ideas only because they haven't been there. They are clueless! And that makes them ignorant the ignorant ones.

❤❤
 
Thank you Ash and CatLady45! ❤️❤️
Your support is appreciated and you are right, the "judges" are the ones that are ignorant and downright dumbasses at times ; )
LOL! Others like myself stand out to me so much. I search these threads to find those like myself and to try and help and to keep them (you-us) from having liver failure from Tylenol poisoning and other horrific things that can happen to us if we listen to these ignorant judges in our lives. Chronic pain is a serious condition and must be managed.
Very bad things can and do happen if we do not manage this condition!

Sorry Trip. I didn't mean to take over your thread here in anyway. It is very gracious of you to allow us to give support and also to receive support here. Support that is desperately needed in all of our cases. Thank you.

We are finding real and meaningful human connection with one another and that is the main thing that helps us all!

You are all precious and wonderful people. True warriors and truly brave!

We have to consider all the good things we do have in our lives and every small step forward is a major victory.

Keep up the great work everyone!

Lots of love, peace, support, and understanding from me to each one of you! ❤️
 
PO,

No worries, Trips a big boy and I'm sure he won't mind a little extra attention on his thread. ; )

Love to you all, Trip, Catlady, PO, aihfl, 10, ladyh, jdfisse, save, cj and fatstep and anyone else who needs a little love and support.

I hope every one of you is having a good day and know that none of you are struggling alone.

here for you all anytime,
your friend,
Ash.
 
Haha, "Trip is trying to be a big boy," is more like it. And Ash is right PO, I definitely do not mind... the attention. But seriously, the back and forth and exchange of ideas, suggestions, and stories is only helping. One thing I've noticed from being in the hospital, outpatient, BL, and NA, is that it shows you how common these circumstances are, regardless of how severe the addiction, mental/emotional issues, or physical pain. The patterns are the same as well.
So after all of these years of thinking how unique I was and feeling that no one would understand why I'd want to hurt myself or how I could feel so trapped that I'd ram a needle in my vein, I'm finding it's just another rewrite of the same story.
Of course this only makes me feel sad that countless others are struggling similarly, but it is relieving to discover I'm not as much of an alien as I thought.

PO, there has to be something to be done to improve quality of life, if only a little. You're clearly no junkhead like me lol. I'm shocked you even made it to Bluelight in the first place. I started here years ago when my recreational drug use first started. Never imagined being on this side of it (there's that pattern again).
Your family sounds really over the top and completely backwards when it comes to prescribed narcotics. You're not disappearing for 30 hours at a time, broke even though you're constantly working, or have a history of drug abuse, from what I gather.

I don't know them so I wouldn't know how to approach it. How can they think that removing 75mgs of e.r. Oxycodone will improve your situation? Maybe show one of them you trust this thread? And maybe black out most of my posts as if it's a classified CIA document, if you decide to do that haha.

Once again, I highly recommend ordering some Kratom in the meantime. It could give you enough energy and relief to get to the next step. I swear I have no stake in it, and if did, I would have already traded it all for dope. PM if interested and I can give you all the info on it.

Cat, yes I'm all in here. I never even considered being committed to being off opiates, let alone being sober. I do have almost complete shit days, today being one of them, so it's not like I'm on cloud nine 24/7, but the thought of using just isn't there, and I hope it doesn't return

And might seem a little hypocritical that I talk about using Kratom down the line after I finish my program and my receptors are normalish, but it's not a full blown opiate. Technically it's an opioid from the coffee family with a bunch more active alkaloids in it. It also doesn't have the "pull" or "high" that natural and synthetic opiates derived from the poppy have. I have years of experience with it, and it's only helped me out of addiction. Sounds like addict it denial haha.
Thanks everyone. Appreciate you all.
Trip
 
Haha, you're doing great Trip, it's a process and a journey and you are well on your way.

Haha, "Trip is trying to be a big boy," is more like it.

And might seem a little hypocritical that I talk about using Kratom down the line after I finish my program and my receptors are normalish, but it's not a full blown opiate. Technically it's an opioid from the coffee family with a bunch more active alkaloids in it. It also doesn't have the "pull" or "high" that natural and synthetic opiates derived from the poppy have. I have years of experience with it, and it's only helped me out of addiction. Sounds like addict it denial haha.
Thanks everyone. Appreciate you all.
Trip


Not hypocritical AT ALL!!! You do what's best for YOU. No one should be judging anyone else, if something is helping them. I am glad Kratom works for you, I have heard about it but I don't know a lot re: it.

Sometime it sounds like you can be a little hard on yourself, so I just wanted you to know how amazing you are, and that you don't have to have things all figured out, but you've already done one helluva job!!!

Very proud of you!!

Have a good day my friend.

your friend,
Ash.
 
Thanks Trip. I appreciate your generosity and I agree that the sharing of stories and ideas only helps! We have come up with some actual solutions in this thread! That helps ALL of us!

Yes. I noticed that too, the patterns are the same. I am a person who has no history of drug or alcohol abuse or even use really and look how similar the actions and behaviors are of a person seeking pain relief in comparison to an addict.
(Sorry, I hate to even use that word. I just don't like that word. As if that is what anyone IS! )

I have always thought that people who say themselves that they are addicts are maybe just people seeking relief from mental, emotional, or otherwise pain. Apparently, I may be wrong about that as I have been told by some that- no I just like to get high. Lol!

I just want this pain to stop and my life back! If the pain did not disable me so badly I would still be working and carrying on through it but it has disabled me. I hate it and I don't even like to admit that! One person hitting me from behind on the freeway has completely devastated my life!

My family are Mormon. That might explain to you about their strange ways. Extremely religious. Brain washed!
They are over the top and backwards. You got it!
I guess that pretty much gives my location away. Lol!
I have never been Mormon and so they have always looked upon me as the bad one or something. I don't know.
I don't understand why they act the way they do either.

I am not sure if the Kratom would be something I could use as I have had Liver Failure. I walk am extremely thin line and have to keep a fine balance. I do appreciate the suggestion and trying to think of ways to help me.

I do have a good doctor who is a pain specialist. I have been fighting it but I think the time has come for me to ask him for a bit of a dosage increase. I think I have done extremely well with the narcotic medication and keeping the dosage as low as is possible.
I have been pretty comfortable on that dosage up until about a year ago. I just need to have a talk with him next time I see him.
I have done so well with the medication that I only have to see him every 60 days!

I think my family should be giving me some credit where credit is due! But they did not understand about my dads illness either.
That was such an obvious thing and they still got offended as if he was in control.

Maybe one has to experience having a chronic health issue to understand. I certainly was much more understanding of others without the experience. I don't know what to say about them. They are sure making this harder on me is about all I can say!

Hopefully disability benefits will come through for me as I have worked very hard my entire life. I have even been an employer of others. I have paid into this system. I honestly miss working so much!

I hope you have a good day today. I am so proud of you. You are doing a fine job with a very difficult situation.
I hope to see us all successful in having the best quality of life as is possible for our situations and enjoying life again!

Love you guys!!
 
Haha, you're doing great Trip, it's a process and a journey and you are well on your way.




Not hypocritical AT ALL!!! You do what's best for YOU. No one should be judging anyone else, if something is helping them. I am glad Kratom works for you, I have heard about it but I don't know a lot re: it.

Sometime it sounds like you can be a little hard on yourself, so I just wanted you to know how amazing you are, and that you don't have to have things all figured out, but you've already done one helluva job!!!

Very proud of you!!

Have a good day my friend.

your friend,
Ash.

I whole heartedly agree!
Ash is so great with words!
She says it best!

Love you my dear friend Ash!
 
Trip, not to burst bubbles..but Kratom is incredibly addicting. If you have made it through a good amount of time clean, I highly recommend not using kratom...it would be a major step backwards. It does the same thing to your brain that a full fledged opiate would do..it's milder but if you don't have any sort of tolerance, you will feel it. I had a decent pill tolerance after a few months of steady use a couple years ago, then lost my steady connection. I quit all opiates, since I didn't know where to get them at all, for three of four months and was doing fine without them, and then a friend of mine introduced me to kratom. I thought I had found my miracle drug. It made me feel like an opiate did AND it was legal? Get outta town! Well, I loved it for a little while and, as these things do, I developed a tolerance and started spending more and more money on kratom. Eventually, the amount of kratom I needed to feel anything made me want to vomit. It made me miss "real "opiates and I started searching for them. I found some and the rest is history.

This is just my story, though. I know a lot of people have had luck with it and if you think it'll keep you from going back to harder drugs, then I say go for it. I'm all about choosing the lesser of two evils and I'm def. not someone who's over here preaching complete abstinence. Keep in mind I'm on 80mg of methadone a day, so I have zero room to talk. I would just hate to see you doing so well and then go to using kratom, thinking you'll be fine, and then jumping right back into that pool of addiction..not the deep end, but slowly swimming closer and closer. I'm full of metaphors today lol
 
Try not to take the sheer lack of stupidity and total lack of education on THEIR part as some sort of slight against you personally Painful One.

It's THEIR issues, not yours. I have just got it through my head after almost a decade of suffering in chronic pain, trying to get treated better. I have found, that only those that have chronic pain themselves truly get the level of pain that we're dealing with, and are smart enough to know the difference between physical dependence and addiction. There are exceptions of course, like the people here.

Don't waste your breath trying to make people that don't really want to understand get it. They're the dumbasses. ; )


Love you Painful One.

Maybe one has to experience having a chronic health issue to understand. I certainly was much more understanding of others without the experience. I don't know what to say about them. They are sure making this harder on me is about all I can say!


Love you guys!!
 
Try not to take the sheer lack of stupidity and total lack of education on THEIR part as some sort of slight against you personally Painful One.

It's THEIR issues, not yours. I have just got it through my head after almost a decade of suffering in chronic pain, trying to get treated better. I have found, that only those that have chronic pain themselves truly get the level of pain that we're dealing with, and are smart enough to know the difference between physical dependence and addiction. There are exceptions of course, like the people here.

Don't waste your breath trying to make people that don't really want to understand get it. They're the dumbasses. ; )


Love you Painful One.

You are right Ash. Thank you! And I love you too!

You see that I was also questioning whether I am an addict also.

I'm done letting them give me anymore grief.
I don't even have the energy to waste on their uneducated and wrong opinions.
I just wish they would remain silent.

I'm doing well..considering. I need to focus on taking any steps forward that are possible for me that I have already not taken.
I keep racking my brain for anything else I can do to improve myself.

How is everyone else doing today?
Trip? Hope all is well and you have a good day today.

It is a NEW DAY!
 
Trip! Hey! I also have a penchant for the kratom also! I have realized recently though (thanks friends!) that chronic pain doesn't an addict make!! There can be a balance! I do believe it may be harder at times but I also believe that it CAN happen. I have to....
 
Trip! Hey! I also have a penchant for the kratom also! I have realized recently though (thanks friends!) that chronic pain doesn't an addict make!! There can be a balance! I do believe it may be harder at times but I also believe that it CAN happen. I have to....

Good motto! I like it!!

It is true. There is middle ground. There can be a balance. I have managed to strike a balance for nine years with not even one hour short on medication. This last year has been the problem and I now realize I need to ask my doctor for an increase in dosage.
I tried to stick it out and ended up taking Loperamide to fill in a few gaps in medication from running myself short and I suffered 8 long weeks of ACUTE withdrawal from loperamide! That stuff almost killed me!

Gotta keep to the medication we know works for us and does not harm us more.

It CAN happen I assure you my dear friend! Believe it!
 
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