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Why do hard stimulants make people less productive?

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From my experience the majority of hard stimulant users end up more like a bum than than someone accomplishing anything. Is it because they are hard on your body? Is it the downrrgulstion of dopamine receptors?
 
Legally High said:
From my experience the majority of hard stimulant users end up more like a bum than than someone accomplishing anything. Is it because they are hard on your body? Is it the downrrgulstion of dopamine receptors?
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Maybe canning (recycling cans) is the best accomplishment anyone can do?
 
I think it's a function of tolerance. When I first started stims could easily get things done but with tolerance/burn out it becomes very hard to put being geeked up to any good use. I try not to do stims at all unless I have to do something sleep deprived at this point because I end up jacking off for hours, and I feel pornography/jacking off is a very negative/damaging activity.
 
I think it has to do with dosage. The more of a stimulant you do the more the scope of your focus narrows. For instance you might do a point of speed and clean your whole house. Or you might do half a gram and clean your room very very well. Or you could do a full gram and only clean one drawer of your dresser.... At a point the focus becomes so intense that its useless to actually get anything done. Tolerance also plays a big role.
 
It has to do with reward/motivation. People are driven(motivation) to accomplish life/career goals to gain the reward. The actual inner workings are way more complicated than what I am about to say, but...We are generally trained to work and seek status, these are the external trigger but internally our brain is training each of us with dopamine. Now, I don't mean the brain releases dopamine and we feel good, generally its the other way around. It's more about dopamines effect on memory and motivation.

You work, you get a big paycheck, there is a dopamine release, you get a promotion, dopamine release, you buy a house, dopamine release, you end up in a high paying glamorous job, dopamine release. Anything you have been told to feel pride in or have been praised for basically.(now repeated rewards of the same variety will lead to diminished dopamine release, which encourages us to seek novel experiences, but thats a different story although its one facet of tolerance)

But when you are taking excessive amounts of dopamine producing drugs you've already got the "carrot" so to speak, the only thing you've been trained to do is hit the pipe and as far as your brain is concerned you are accomplishing all you would ever need to. But this re-wiring does take a little time, which is why people new to speed still get shit done, but the longer they take it the more they are satisfied by just getting high and sitting in garbage. Not only does it re-wire your reward circuitry, but the amount of dopamine release obtained from accomplishing a goal or doing something to be proud of is so minuscule in comparison to the amount obtained from drugs that it hardly even registers.

This is largely how addiction occurs in the first place, you've become wired to seek out the drug in lieu of any other rewarding behavior.
 
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I'd say it is dose related. Lots of people are prescribed amphetamines, that's a decently hard stimulant IMO. And they are productive just fine.

But if you're abusing meth for example, using hundreds of milligrams in a day, you're not likely to see good productivity.
 
Tolerance builds and your brain basically fatigues. Then when you don't take them you feel tired and unmotivated, sometimes even depressed.

Also hormone levels may suffer etc.. and the bad ones increase ex. cortisol
 
meth always made me super productive.

I think the reason it doesn't functionally work out that way for most users, is due to addiction. The user becomes obsessed with the drug and using the drug over all other things. I never really felt addicted to methamphetamine in the same way I was to heroin or buprenorphine. YMMV.
 
I was extremely productive on meth, so long as I started doing something soon after dosing. I worked 2 jobs, and several odd jobs, along with dealing... if that isn't productivity Idk what is.

But if I didn't have anything to do i'd just sit and stare at a wall for 4 hours.
 
Yeah considering I've had absence seizures in the past... never a good feeling.
 
For me it does the opposite, it makes me energized and rather productive.
 
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For me it does the opposite, it makes me energized and rather productive.
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Same, though I agree with captain heroins above post, that pretty much no matter the qualities of the drug, addiction tends to destroy everything.

I've never had an addiction problem with meth, or stimulants generally. I've generally found them to make me very productive. But if I were addicted to them like I am to opiates, I highly doubt that would remain the case.

Addiction pretty much destroys everything in your life that isn't directly related to using, or the means to continue using. Until that's all that's left.
 
It has a bell curve of sorts. Too little and you have no drive. Too much and you're too stimulated to stay committed to one thing before your body multiplies the significance of every little sensory aspect in your surrounding and every little wisp of an other thought.
 
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