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    Hi guys,

    First off, I hope this is the right place as it not really a test.

    I made a pill scanning app prototype, video: https://streamable.com/9n21o
    The design obviously not done and the accuracy needs some increasing.
    This is aimed towards harm reduction, make it easier to find pill reports.
    THIS IS NOT A REPLACEMENT FOR A CHEMICAL TEST SET !!!
    Do you think people would want this?


    I would love to get some feedback on this.
    Some points about the app and privacy:


    • Obviously free
    • No login/accounts
    • No analytics, trackers, ads or service that try to identify you
    • App strips exif information of images uploaded.
    • Server side removing of images


    It has some cool tech behind the scenes, but I'm only pursuing this further if people want it.
    Any feedback would be interesting. Thanks
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    This is God's work. You sir, are amazing!

    I have a few thoughts:
    1) dimensions and weight are equally important as the looks of the print. The app would legitimize knockoffs unless there is a clear message to measure your pill and compare.
    2) can we add reagent testing notification, for those who will download the app with no intention of ever using test kits?
    3) If I assume correctly with what you mean by cool tech behind the scenes, does it mean it could be applied to comparing color reactions the same way it compares pills?
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    Thanks for the kind words !

    1) dimensions and weight are equally important as the looks of the print. The app would legitimize knockoffs unless there is a clear message to measure your pill and compare.
    I agree, I could rank pills in your area higher. Then you find the reports that say it is a dirty pill. But given location is pretty privacy sensitive I won't add it.
    But you should receive the knock off reports that provide a report about the dirty pill.
    2) can we add reagent testing notification, for those who will download the app with no intention of ever using test kits
    Not sure what you mean by a notification, but I will add a warning that you still need to test and this is only an indication. Test kits are unfortunately not easily available for everyone

    3) If I assume correctly with what you mean by cool tech behind the scenes, does it mean it could be applied to comparing color reactions the same way it compares pills?
    Yes exactly! You assume correct, it could read an image of reaction colors and provide information based on that, instead of manually comparing the colors.
    In an ideal world, you could first scan the pill and then the result. Then we have a huge list of all pills including their tests
    I'm not sure if people would be interested though.
    But cool idea

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    I think it's a great idea and I hope you figure out the kinks, but I fear the ease of use and unreliability of it will make it dangerous. You said yourself it's not a substitute for a real test and I'm worried that the people who would use this app would feel confident taking a substance without proper identification. I think it would need to be plastered with Harm Reduction, signs telling people not to take unidentified substances, and warnings that visual confirmation is not very reliable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paranoidShroom View Post

    1) dimensions and weight are equally important as the looks of the print. The app would legitimize knockoffs unless there is a clear message to measure your pill and compare.
    I agree, I could rank pills in your area higher. Then you find the reports that say it is a dirty pill. But given location is pretty privacy sensitive I won't add it.
    But you should receive the knock off reports that provide a report about the dirty pill.
    Location is also important but size is more important. Trust me - I've been to DIMS lab in the Netherlands, they FIRST measure your pill and compare, and only later do a Marquis test. Positive Marquis could still mean there is 99% PMA, dimensions + logo are the only way to really check the database. Logo alone and location is not enough.

    Quote Originally Posted by paranoidShroom View Post
    2) can we add reagent testing notification, for those who will download the app with no intention of ever using test kits
    Not sure what you mean by a notification, but I will add a warning that you still need to test and this is only an indication. Test kits are unfortunately not easily available for everyone
    Is it really so? Not to advertise ourselves too much but you can get a disposable reagent test kit shipped to Zimbabwe for 9$, shipping included. I meant warnings, yeah. @SheWasLvL18 is right.

    Quote Originally Posted by paranoidShroom View Post
    3) If I assume correctly with what you mean by cool tech behind the scenes, does it mean it could be applied to comparing color reactions the same way it compares pills?
    Yes exactly! You assume correct, it could read an image of reaction colors and provide information based on that, instead of manually comparing the colors.
    In an ideal world, you could first scan the pill and then the result. Then we have a huge list of all pills including their tests
    I'm not sure if people would be interested though.
    But cool idea
    Are you familiar with our TestDrugs android app? There is also howtotestdrugs.com in the works. Right now the apps work based on me manually coding 550+ substances and almost 4000 reactions just by watching the videos. If you are interested, we could join forces to make this better - people will be interested when it works, I assure you. The worse the drug laws get, the bigger hype there is on drug checking.

    The data is already out there:
    1)
    http://verbinding.110110.nl
    2) ours - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjyhRhX3K4A&list=PLJF0_N9hQsTrTRp16qrdXtIo NBBIJ03q0
    3) photos - https://www.policija.si/apps/nfl_response_web/seznamColors.php

    What do you think ?


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    Jurek

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    This is amazing. I'd definitely want to test out an apha version of this.
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    Thanks for the feedback everyone, one of the things we can conclude is that we need to make it very clear this visual detection is not a definitive chemical result.
    Anyone have a good idea how to make this clear ? Added a banner with "Test your compound with a kit, this might be wrong and dangerous" will probably just be ignored.

    @SIN.org.pl
    Interesting, I'll send you some contact info. Maybe I can help you guys.

    @cyrilio
    Heb je nu net een account gemaakt hiervoor ?
    I'll add you to the list of alpha testers But the machine learning model is still learning as we speak to improve the accuracy.
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    yeah I indeed made an account to comment here @paranoidShroom . Thought that I had an account but apparently not. Thanks for adding me to the list. looking forward to testing it in the future.
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