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Doctor said she is tapering me down. Jesus Fuck.

Hi there CfZrx

It does sound like your doc is doing a very slow taper. Probably at that rate every month. I begin my taper for benzos in september. Not looking forward to that to say the least. But at least my psychiatrist told me well in advance. 1mg per month he said and i should be ok.

Im pretty sure though if you have been on a strong opiate or benzo for a significant time. And you start getting bad pain and withdrawal as a result of a taper or discontinuation of said medications. You have the right to ask to be put back up to your original dosage. And your doc has the responsibility to comply with this if it was them that put you on it in the first place.

Kindest Regards
Barry
Thanks Barry! How many mg are you on, and which benzo(s)? If that's the case (my doc doing taper) I am going to find my way into suboxone. I ain't goin back to the dark ages of pain management without a serious fight. Luckily there's a sub program in town, and I would jump over the waiting list because my pain diagnosis. Gonna call that program director now just to ask what I need to do in case she can't prescribe the sub herself.
 
Im only on 10mg Diazapam pd. But i am on alot of other meds that make me drowsy so they didn't want me to be on a higher dose.(lyrica max dose, Sedative antihistamines, codeine,) Also its nearly impossible to get a prescription for any bezos or opiates from where im from. Its quite frankly a miracle they gave it to me in the first place. But it took me years because my GP was anti benzo, anti opiate, id be lucky to even get antibiotics from the guy even when i was clearly ill. due to immunotherapy, i get infections all the time.Ones that put me in hospital. I had to beg to see a psychiatrist. Anyway sry for the rant.

I feel for you as i know we are both on quite different meds. But we will both have to lose our crutch. Albeit very slowly. very very slowly in your case. Just give it your best shot and if it gets to a point where u just cant handle it.Go back and speak to your GP/specialist and tell them.

I have crohn's disease and fibromyalgia ,and diazapam actually helps with my pain so coming off is going to suck.

I have however had a bit of a breakthrough with a new snri antidepressant i'm on which blocks norepinephrine reuptake. Its helped alot with my severe anxiety and even my nerve pain. Apparently that's what norepinephrine dose.

I hope everything goes well for you.

Just do your best. That's all any of us can do. And don't punish yourself if u need to go back on it. Living with chronic pain and mental health problems really eats away at you. Your body, mind even your soul. And sometimes numbing the pain is the only choice we have.

Take care friend :)
 
Im only on 10mg Diazapam pd. But i am on alot of other meds that make me drowsy so they didn't want me to be on a higher dose.(lyrica max dose, Sedative antihistamines, codeine,) Also its nearly impossible to get a prescription for any bezos or opiates from where im from. Its quite frankly a miracle they gave it to me in the first place. But it took me years because my GP was anti benzo, anti opiate, id be lucky to even get antibiotics from the guy even when i was clearly ill. due to immunotherapy, i get infections all the time.Ones that put me in hospital. I had to beg to see a psychiatrist. Anyway sry for the rant.

I feel for you as i know we are both on quite different meds. But we will both have to lose our crutch. Albeit very slowly. very very slowly in your case. Just give it your best shot and if it gets to a point where u just cant handle it.Go back and speak to your GP/specialist and tell them.

I have crohn's disease and fibromyalgia ,and diazapam actually helps with my pain so coming off is going to suck.

I have however had a bit of a breakthrough with a new snri antidepressant i'm on which blocks norepinephrine reuptake. Its helped alot with my severe anxiety and even my nerve pain. Apparently that's what norepinephrine dose.

I hope everything goes well for you.

Just do your best. That's all any of us can do. And don't punish yourself if u need to go back on it. Living with chronic pain and mental health problems really eats away at you. Your body, mind even your soul. And sometimes numbing the pain is the only choice we have.

Take care friend :)
Thanks Barry :) I'm already committed to suboxone. Gonna talk about the shift w/ my doctor next week. I hope to get it from a doctor rather than having to join the suboxone program where you have to go to weekly meetings in the beginning and do pee tests. What is this new anti depressant you had luck with? Lexapro?
 
^Actually that might be smart on the doctor's part. Maybe the doctor is being forced to taper patients down to a certain amount but wasn't given a time scale so she is tapering as slow as possible.

Tapering one pill a month on a 90 count script is the most gentle way your doc could do it. If you split your doses right you shouldn't notice any difference at all.
Dear FH, how can I do this "pill splitting correctly so that I don't notice the reduction? This first refill I decided to just get it over with, and took only two pills one day and was mild dopesick for 2 fuckin days! Next month if she steals 2 pills, how do you think I should go about it?
Thanks!
RX
 
Bupe only seems to work for pain on patients that are previously naive to all other opioids / opiates
dont wanna discourage you, but think you should discuss it with a specialist before you jump to bupreorphine
Good luck CfZrx!
 
Bupe only seems to work for pain on patients that are previously naive to all other opioids / opiates
dont wanna discourage you, but think you should discuss it with a specialist before you jump to bupreorphine
Good luck CfZrx!
Shit, I already met with the doc who will assist the transition to Sub. My research indicates that in trials where persons did not know if they received a Butrans patch, or a Fentanyl patch, that there was little difference in their scores. In fact, Butrans was kind of preferred. Of course this method of bupe is just tiny amounts all day. So my Big Plan is to wean myself down to tiny doses all day, like .25 mg once an hour during the busy part of my day. What do you guys think? I could still back out, but my main doc has decided to slowly wean me from methadone because, as she informed me today,"studies show that after quitting narcotics pain patients report the same amount of pain as when they were on meds"!

So now you see what I'm up against. Total bullshit in my case of course. My pain went from a shit ton before meds, and even on low dose MS Contin, like couldn't even sit up in the waiting room at doc appointments or in school. Always had to bring a yoga mat and lay on the floor.....to virtually no pain for the majority of the day on methadone.

Feedback is super appreciated. :) :)
 
Here's an evil thought. For my one housecleaning shift each week, I could inject Sub to deal w/ the pain. What a world, huh? Certainly not what I want to go back to, maybe you can plug it with good results.
 
Yeah, I'm done with needles, but I will try to use mouthwash right before, and one day I may try sniffing or plugging. Seems like it works good with THC for pain from what I've read.
 
Today was my last methadone dose. Tomorrow I will supposedly put on a fentanyl patch to wait an extra 36 house or something before doc gives me my first bupe. I am a bupe virgin. Well, I got a hand job from bupe once (ate an 8 mg with no habit, puked for 20 hours or so). I am curious if my pupils will be big at work on wednesday morning if my last methadone 15mg dose was Monday at noon. Keep in mind I will put on a Fent patch on tuesday afternoon. not sure what size. It's very important that my pupils aren't big at work. My boss is an ex-heroin addict, and has announced that anyone using opiates for pain will be fired immediately. (i know, so legal right?)
 
Doctor now informs me I will be prescribed Subutex, not Suboxone! Score, right? Or is there truly no difference in your opinion? Will induct tomorrow. High AF off the Fentanyl patch. Not feeling any methadone WDs though, except I puked when I woke today, and had to call in sick to work, but that could have easily been the feat doing that rather than methadone WD. Thoughts gang? Should I plug my doses? I noticed that Subutex costs about a dollar a mg, and my insurance won't cover it, at least not without "Prior Authorization". I guess that's when the doctor fills out a form for me using this med or something. Hopefully that takes care of it! Anyways just found local Corporation that sells it for less than half the price I thought I'd have to pay! Subutex!
Thanks
p.s. I feel pretty happy about this Subutex plan. Naloxone sounds like it worsens the experience for a decent amount of persons.
 
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I'm only referring to the very last posting here. It's my full belief that there is not enough difference between Buprenorphine w/ Naloxone or without to even justify have separate drugs. I've known many people who have scored for Subutex specifically on the street thinking they could avoid PW in the process by doing so who were found in short order that they were completely mistaken. There is a reason why literally every other country in the world felt that Buprenorphne without Naloxone was appropriate for their applications, but the United States, land of Pharma-Greed did not: they could patent Buprenorphine w/ Naloxone as a new drug and make millions.
 
I'm only referring to the very last posting here. It's my full belief that there is not enough difference between Buprenorphine w/ Naloxone or without to even justify have separate drugs. I've known many people who have scored for Subutex specifically on the street thinking they could avoid PW in the process by doing so who were found in short order that they were completely mistaken. There is a reason why literally every other country in the world felt that Buprenorphne without Naloxone was appropriate for their applications, but the United States, land of Pharma-Greed did not: they could patent Buprenorphine w/ Naloxone as a new drug and make millions.
Yeah, you do hear about how naloxone does nothing, but I wonder why they do not give suboxone to pregnant ladies unless there is something kind of toxic about it? How this issue really applies to me is that I think my Blue Shield insurance will cover suboxone, but they won't cover subUtex. So there is change that I should ask for Suboxone instead to save a few bucks. Oh wait! I recall now, that my copay for suboxone is a little more than if I just pay cash for subUtex,lol. Damn pill companies ;)
 
Well, at any rate, it gives me no pleasure to let you know dude, but this thread, if it were, say, an airplane, is going through a tail-spin of death in which it's not likely to recover. Naloxone (Narcan) is known to cause potential harm to an unborn fetus in a way that Buprenorphine does not.
 
Well, at any rate, it gives me no pleasure to let you know dude, but this thread, if it were, say, an airplane, is going through a tail-spin of death in which it's not likely to recover. Naloxone (Narcan) is known to cause potential harm to an unborn fetus in a way that Buprenorphine does not.
Lol, thanks for the heads- up, I just jumped out the side door with a parachute! Now my only question is how long I should wait since last kratom to dose my new Subutex pill? I guess I'll wait 8 hours, then take .5 mg Sub. Sounds decent?
 
I took off my fent patch and took 1mg Subutex 2 hours later. I had a multi year kratom habit and my last dose had been 4 hours before the Sub. I have gotten Zero precipitated withdrawals. I guess fent doesn't cause them.
 
Nice work. I think you took a huge risk dosing the Buprenorphine so soon after the Fentanyl. I'm glad you made it out okay. OP, I've now had more time to read through your OP and have to say that there is really very little that can be done in this situation aside from extreme speculation. We don't know what your prescriber's intent is. We don't know which Opioid will work best for you as a substitute. It's all just way too speculative. If you are looking to just discuss how pissed off you are at the fact that your prescriber has done this to you, there are areas of the forums that are much better-suited to that purpose.

I'm just giving you some time to get your affairs in order before moving you. There has been a lot of time and energy put into this thread, but that still doesn't make it appropriate for BDD.
 
Nice work. I think you took a huge risk dosing the Buprenorphine so soon after the Fentanyl. I'm glad you made it out okay. OP, I've now had more time to read through your OP and have to say that there is really very little that can be done in this situation aside from extreme speculation. We don't know what your prescriber's intent is. We don't know which Opioid will work best for you as a substitute. It's all just way too speculative. If you are looking to just discuss how pissed off you are at the fact that your prescriber has done this to you, there are areas of the forums that are much better-suited to that purpose.

I'm just giving you some time to get your affairs in order before moving you. There has been a lot of time and energy put into this thread, but that still doesn't make it appropriate for BDD.
Hi Kief, no problem! Put thread wherever you see fit :) Now that I made it through the transition, the worrying has moved on to other topics, like I'm wondering if sniffing bupe lasts as long as sublingual, as my new doc is a little stingy with the bupe considering what I was just taking. As the remainder of the fent patch wore off today, I started to feel grimey, as if maybe 6mg bupe isn't enough to hold me. Will discuss with her next week if still withdrawing.---------
As for the fent to bupe quick switch, my doc told me to take off the patch that day in the office, then said "now take a sub"! I worried she had a tumor impacting her judgment and waited another 2 hours (still not much I know). Maybe because fent binds stronger to receptors, bupe cannot displace it!?
 
So, I willingly admit that this could be the totally wrong move, I'm thinking that this thread is better suited either for Drug Culture or the Dark Side. I would like some opinions from some other mods before moving it just because I, myself, am unsure.
 
So, I willingly admit that this could be the totally wrong move, I'm thinking that this thread is better suited either for Drug Culture or the Dark Side. I would like some opinions from some other mods before moving it just because I, myself, am unsure.
You're right, this really could be Dark Side, as it was difficult not to search for pills or H to deal with this period of time. Now I have adjusted to Subutex and I am completely satisfied dosing 1 mg every couple hours from 11 AM to 9PM or so. Thankfully Sub doesn't hurt my sleep one bit, in fact it is kinda sleepy for me :)
 
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